Pick Your Power Mafia 2! - Page 2

On August 29 2010 06:45 SouthRawrea wrote:



Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven.

Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia.

On August 29 2010 11:56 LSB wrote:
Hey Fishball

This is the most important post



Feel free to ask questions.

On August 29 2010 11:57 citi.zen wrote:

Are you kidding me? The 2nd sentence after the one you bold is:


I am not going to pretend I follow SR's logic, but that was a very odd post from you Fishball. THAT is what you wanted to comment on from the last 9 pages? Sin's profile quote, which you cited earlier, seems to fit quite nicely:

On August 29 2010 03:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:

If you don't mind, Radfield. Sir, I would like your opinion also.

On August 29 2010 03:24 Radfield wrote:
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what you're asking me. Going through 7 games is a bit daunting, especially without the 'All' function. However, I'll certainly take your word that he's posting more than normal.

As far as my opinion on his play this game, he was basically off my radar until your post. I didn't have him down as scummy, nor as pro-town. I had looked through his posts once before, but had mostly skim read them. Looking through his posts again though changes my mind slightly. He has posted content, but also a lot of small one-two liners. His content also mainly consists of talk about the traitor, or other minor theorycrafting/questioning.

His large posts focus on the traitor scenario(laying out options), the CompVig(clarifying why hesmyrr picked CV), a vote on Hesmyrr, another post about the traitor.

He hasn't seriously fingered anyone as scummy, in fact has gone out of his way not to. He also hasn't really contributed anything as far as opinions or specific thoughts.

My read on him is certainly more scummy than before. Enough to recommend investigation, but not yet a lynch.

What are your thoughts?

His large posts focus on the traitor scenario(laying out options), the CompVig(clarifying why hesmyrr picked CV), a vote on Hesmyrr, another post about the traitor.

He hasn't seriously fingered anyone as scummy, in fact has gone out of his way not to. He also hasn't really contributed anything as far as opinions or specific thoughts.

On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote:
1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.

On August 29 2010 15:27 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...Regardless Fishball, you NEVER post when your blue, except your witty satires. You're acting extremely defensive right now, and as many times as I've accused you in the past you just ignore me. Why the sudden interest in seeming pro-town?

You've even picked Bullet Bill way early. Why? We know your role, so who did you look at last night? Have you missed all those posts, in your useless no content post you've just posted, as a way to argue a point you normally wouldn't care about?

=/

On August 29 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:


I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain?

On August 29 2010 16:12 Divinek wrote:


i was going to suggest checking our CV/BS maybe but that seems silly, because the only thing it could confirm is that they didnt follow the plan. Cause if they're mafia and passed it down to their buddies, yeah...

it really sucks the sk had to get role cop, At least he actually shared with us, im assuming by his list that means he checked bb? But he only had time for one check and has checked fishball, so is that just his opinion then im assuming?

because i don't believe bb is town at all. Not that it's exactly easy with his 1 every cycle posts apologizing for why hes' NEVER here

On August 30 2010 06:40 Radfield wrote:



The issue I was thinking of, was that if LSB flips town, we still have to decide between chaoser and Southrawrea. BulletBill is useless on chaoser. Chaoser also has a useful town role right now(if he's not the traitor).

By having CV on LSB, and BulletBill on SR, my thought was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. Then it was pointed out that if SR was the traitor, then there is a good chance he hasn't flipped to red yet, so the BulletBill would be useless. Which is a good point.

BUT

Does anyone actually think Southrawrea is the traitor? I don't. I think he's either a truthful town, or a mafia trying to screw with us(vengeful player, etc). Him actually being the traitor would be a bit bizarre in fact. My big hope was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. I'm not sure if that can happen anymore, so I'm open to other plans. Either a SR or LSB CV hit is fine with me.




Hold on a second here. Opz just claimed tracker, OK. I guess he didn't follow the plan after all, that's OK, there are good pro-town reasons he might take tracker instead. Fishball claims he visited Opz, which presumably he did, since Opz tracked him.

One question Fishball:

Why would you ever, EVER investigate Opz. Of all the people in the game, Opz is absolutely the worst for a pro-town player to BulletBill. Why? Because even if he has a gun, he is the most likely player to be the JOAT. Southrawrea had already admitted not following the plan, so that means Opz is a 50/50 shot at being the Joat. Of any player in the game, his result tells you the least, since if he shows up with a gun, you still have no idea of his alignment(unlike every other player in the game, with the possible exception of Jeejee, the other potential Joat). You either made a very stupid move, or one of two things happened:

1. You still thought we were using the old draft order. This is possible, I haven't bothered to check where Opz would even land. The fact is, that would be an outrageous mistake. Understandable you might not have checked the thread and seen the new draft order, and hence taken Bullet Bill. Not understandable that you decided to not read through the thread and notice the draft order changed. This is an unacceptable excuse.
   
   
2. You are mafia. If you're mafia, everything makes perfect sense, because opz is absolutely the player you most to check. If he has a gun, it's almost certain that he's the joat, and the mafia really really want to kill the joat. Bullet Bill is a good role for mafia solely due to this reason.

You now have two strikes fishball:

You picked Bullet Bill in the wrong slot

You investigated Opz

One more strike and you're out. In fact, we might be playing with a two strikes rule this game I'd like to hear what other people think.



LSB, you still have yet to explain why you were so certain that zeks was the SK.

+ Show Spoiler [LSB's Defense] +


1. It's dumb?? That's your defense? How did you KNOW that subversion drafted role cop, and not one of the other three very good mafia roles: CV, PoD, BS. You're acting as if this was a fact, when it was nothing of the sort. I will admit that Sub taking rolecop now seems more likely, but back then it didn't.

2. Zeks claimed rolecop because he didn't realize that it put him in a position of being only scum. Obviously had he realized this, he wouldn't have claimed it and sealed his fate. He just didn't realize. Similarly, if he was the traitor he could have made the same mistake. He had to claim something. He just made the mistake of not claiming the defensive role.

Please explain why zeks was NOT the traitor. That is what I don't understand. Also, I think you are the traitor, doesn't matter if you are converted or not. Being traitor means that you could be sure that zeks was not. The only other option was Serial Killer. This is why I suspect you. To put it again:

The only way you could KNOW zeks was the SK, was if you were the traitor(hence zeks could not be the traitor and could only be the SK). Because he had a decent chance of being either traitor or SK in my eyes.

On August 29 2010 15:27 ~OpZ~ wrote:
You've even picked Bullet Bill way early. Why?

On August 23 2010 11:11 Radfield wrote:
#9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role

On August 28 2010 12:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Hi FIshball!!!!!!!!!!!

On August 30 2010 04:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:

I was wondering why you visited me last night =/

On August 30 2010 06:40 Radfield wrote:
You now have two strikes fishball:

You picked Bullet Bill in the wrong slot

You investigated Opz

One more strike and you're out.

On August 30 2010 23:07 Radfield wrote:


Really? C'mon now. I try hard in every game I play to be respectful of other players and acknowledge that this is a game of mafia and that at times people are actively trying to stir shit up. If you are trying to pick a fight with me, I refuse to bite. If you actually felt somewhat offended by my post, I apologize for that, but I fail to see any commanding or arrogant tone in my post. I asked you some questions and stated my opinion on you. If I tried to be cheeky at the end, at least acknowledge it for what it is, and don't take it as an insult. It's like you deliberately cut off this line "In fact, we might be playing with a two strikes rule this game I'd like to hear what other people think." in order to make me look more serious and condescending than I was.


Anyways, your basic reasoning for why you chose opz is that a) you thought he was scummy and b) you have a history of doing illogical things for the fun of it. Neither of those really satisfy me, but again, I'd like to hear some other opinions.



It seems like you're trying to softball suspicion onto opz. That makes no sense. You yourself investigated him and found him to be town aligned, so why are you trying to paint him in a bad light? And if your trying to give him being the tracker as a reason why you investigated him, that makes no sense. Are you saying you suspected him of not following the draft picks?



I'm not really sure what this means. How can you do "too much" explaining? If you're town you should be doing everything you can to prevent yourself from getting lynched. Honestly, I feel like LSB has done a decent job defending himself, and I'm getting a more and more townie vibe from him. Do you mean this discussion taking up too much of the thread and that we should be moving on to other issues? That's probably true if that's the case.

On August 30 2010 23:07 Radfield wrote:
b) you have a history of doing illogical things for the fun of it.

On August 31 2010 06:43 Radfield wrote:
If he isn't eventually killed by mafia(which would be foolish of mafia) we should lynch him.

On August 31 2010 09:24 Radfield wrote:
My thoughts on the CV, were that if rastaban is town(which the mafia will know), then his CV works exactly as a double lynch. I would say at this stage in the game a double lynch every day is extremely helpful. We kill 2 scummy players to every 1 confirmed player the mafia can kill. He's a huge town asset. That being said, we'll probably have to end up lynching him at some point if we run out of leads, so mafia killing kinda helps us anyways. Win-win for us if he's town.

On August 31 2010 10:26 SiNiquity wrote:


No I don't