Penalty Mafia

On July 24 2010 00:16 Hesmyrr wrote:
It's pretty simple. Let me just quickly cook something up.


There may also be several well-established anti-town or weakened roles like: Beloved Princess, (Unaware) Insane/Paranoid/Naive Doctor, and Miller.

In case of where the strategic penalty death via modkill occurs, I will give Mafia one additional KP per one deliberate modkill following night. That can actually be huge blow to the town. I don't expect truly unintentional penalty modkill to occur since all the penalties are fairly hard to intentionally break.

Also the problem with taking vote away argument is, let's say there is Mafia who says inability to do A is his penalty and Townie saying inability to B is his penalty. So town says "hey guys, break you penalties! If mod do something bad to you we know you are being genuine" followed up by "B lost his vote but A did not! A is confirmed lying scum gogogo". Thus, punishment lesser than mod-kill can make penalty breaking a excellent way to get clears. But if B ends up being killed, and mafia get one additional KP because of it, though the town has sure lynch the next day, such tactic no longer becomes beneficial to the town.

On August 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote:
Don't worry, I'm sure your role will be useful. I think I've got a great idea:

Looking at what we know town has almost no information at all. Not even what roles are in the game or a count. All we have is that there are 3 scum in the game. I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. Based on this I need everyone to chime in because of something pretty awesome.

We don't have to roleclaim, but it's in our best interests to publicly announce what our penalty is if we have one. I'll share how we'll go about this when more players start posting.

all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.

On August 09 2010 00:13 LSB wrote:

Pyrr asked that question


BM responded

On August 09 2010 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.

I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum.

On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain

On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:


If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward.

So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears.

@divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^

We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear.

On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:


no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^

Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role.

On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:


oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie.

Penalties:

Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power

@bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works?

On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:


Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now.

also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap.

On August 09 2010 10:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

What would an insanely broken killing role be like?

Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power

On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:

Na, bumatlarge is just the tree stump. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tree_Stump

On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:
Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:



The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.



The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die.

Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting.

On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:



what did he do that was against the rules?

On August 09 2010 11:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

I'm starting to think that if there was a meticulously enforced play to win rule, Bill Murray would have been on a permanent ban list long ago.

On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.

P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.

Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.

1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...

2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in:



This tells us 2 things:

The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself.

Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell:

Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action.

If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced.

Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit.

## vote Pyrr

On August 08 2010 09:23 Ace wrote:
Majority of mafia games are no PM ^_^

With basically no information needless to say we are in a bad position to start off. But fear not! Based on reading my role PM I can make some guesses as to what's possibly a good idea. I think my role, while not powerful is potentially good enough to almost break the game if my hunch is correct. Let me think about what other possible penalties are available.

On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.

P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.

Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.

1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...
[...]

On August 09 2010 23:03 LSB wrote:
Guys, focus on BM
I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr.
We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town.

As for Ace's plan

Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum

On August 09 2010 23:23 zeks wrote:
agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr

On August 10 2010 03:13 LSB wrote:

Of course. So lets see what penalty claiming has done for the town
The Town knows that Pyrr is either Blue or Red.
(Assuming Pyrr isn't in the mafia)
The Mafia knows that Pyrr is Blue, because they have a PM of who is red. Target #1 on the hitlist

So all we're doing is giving the mafia more information



Lets say BM flips red. Ace would then be our next lynch.
Ace was the one who figured out BM was just messing with us. After a bandwagon was formed. Ace responced by chainsaw defending BM. Very scummy

On August 10 2010 03:56 Korynne wrote:
Sup boys~

Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.

So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.

Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course.

On August 10 2010 04:23 Korynne wrote:


I think the penalties could likely help reds. If I was red I'd definitely prefer knowing them than not, especially given that Hesmyrr gave reds safe claims, and so far (including my claim) some claims seem to be reasonably safe and uncheckable.

I haven't seen anything from the penalties that could help town so far. Ace may be able to be confirmed it seems, not entirely sure what his thing means. But if nothing shows up for a night or two I'd be very suspicious. Everyone else on the other hand seems to have very neutral claims.

On August 10 2010 07:29 Ace wrote:
Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now?

I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.

Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum. LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me?

On August 09 2010 23:14 citi.zen wrote:
I wonder about these apparently conflicting statements:


Versus this one:


I am not ready to push for a lynching of Ace, but these sort of conflicting statements are not giving me any comfort, especially in conjunction with the claim that we need to state our penalty, but not the roles, so we can "figure out how the game is balanced". You need both pieces as far as I can tell. The only thing the penalties tell me thus far is some people have "actions" and others do not - which seems to be quite valuable for the mafia while not helping the town a great deal.

On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD.

On August 10 2010 08:04 Ace wrote:


If you think that's the case I'll give you a simple task: come up with an idea of your own instead of complaining. You don't have to listen to me, you can just do something yourself.

On August 10 2010 09:46 Bill Murray wrote:
citi.zen did you ever answer when i asked you top 3 suspects? obstinacy is a sign of mafia

On August 10 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
I killed Pyrr by switching my vote off BM. It was an idiotic move, I was not aware of the vote totals and had no clue the voting was ending so soon.

That said, Ace is red.

I also think Korynne is red. Plus someone who attacked Ace day 1, Ace like to do that with one team member.

On August 10 2010 09:35 Ace wrote:
false citizen. I only did that in like 4 out of 15 or so mafia games. That doesn't mean I like to do it ^_^

Thanks for taking responsibility of the vote switch though. It almost makes you innocent in my blood stained eyes.

On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:
Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion:

The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1.

Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0.

When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side.

My penalty
bumatlarge's penalty
zeks penalty

So now we're at -3: 0.

At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die.

This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night.

If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road

On August 10 2010 12:35 Ace wrote:


*yawn*

How much you wanna bet I don't get lynched?

On August 10 2010 12:43 bumatlarge wrote:


Hey citizen, do YOU think I should use my power? You know, the one that screwes town over completely?

On August 11 2010 00:08 LSB wrote:

A bunch of BS that Ace made up.

On August 11 2010 00:59 chaoser wrote:
mm, are you sure it's bs? I want him to talk about it first/how he came tot he conclusion that he has a hidden ability before I decide

On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:
Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion:

The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1.

Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0.

When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side.

My penalty
bumatlarge's penalty
zeks penalty

So now we're at -3: 0.

At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die.

This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night.

If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road

On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:
Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion:

The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1.

Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0.

When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side.

My penalty
bumatlarge's penalty
zeks penalty

So now we're at -3: 0.

At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die.

This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night.

If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road

On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?

And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming.

On August 11 2010 13:50 Divinek wrote:



well the enabler is a real thing in the parts of mafia land. But why on earth would you publicly admit that was your role is beyond me.

Unless he's lying, which it wouldnt be the first time for bm.

So he's either lying about his role, and he's town
Or he's lying about his role and he's mafia

either way he's lying...unless somehow ace protected him last night and ended up dying from it? But that doesnt make any sense from an enabler, or i can hardly see ace wanting to protect bm based on what happened yesterday so wtf

On August 11 2010 23:28 Korynne wrote:
Can Hesmyrr provide a list of the 4 people who were on the lynch wagon yesterday?

I'm assuming since BM claimed he's pretty much getting shot tonight. So we should vote for what target he'll be vigi-ing? If he doesn't get shot we'll have a pretty confirmed townie if someone else also dies at night (presumably to mafia).

I also read through the last couple posts that Ace made, doesn't seem to be anything anywhere that suggests that he claimed to us who he protected. And he even mentioned like oh hey I'm going to tell you guys who I'm going to visit because I think I'm going to die if I visit scum.

Oh also, citi.zen, why do you think I'm red? xD

On August 12 2010 00:54 Scamp wrote:


I have a thought here. I'm noticing that LSB, citi.zen, and youngminii have all claimed an adjective but didn't claim their penalties.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

On August 12 2010 02:08 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok took a gander at that and thought.

If BM is red, I think we can justify the other 2 reds will be in the Pyrr/Ace/abstain pile.
myself, divine, chaoser, citizen, scamp and jayme.
Korynne and young id think would be unlikely. Mafia getting warned is a little whacko, and very abusing of hesmyrr's leniancy on them. (not that korynne could help it)
Voting BM is a little gutsy for mafia especially on the first day when its so close, youd have 3 choices of ace pyrr and abstain, which were all safe bets at the time.

Ive already roleclaimed, penalty claimed first. If anyone feels that I am scum, feel free to point out why.
Havent read to much into divine, but as I recall he has been his slightly aggressive self, and ive never seen him play red.
chaoser is inactive as balls, very likely he is red along with scamp, who has been putting more ideas out there reclusivley.
Citizen very well could be red, but I would find it unlikely he would support BM doind what he did. Which is why he would try to get rid of ace if he could and play it off like we all were going to kill him anyway. Jayme would be the cohort here, takin advice from citi.

So personnally think
if BM then Citi/Jayme or maybe scamp instead.
if hes green then im done -_-

On August 12 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
In that case.

##Vote Bill Murray

Lynch All Liars.

On August 12 2010 11:01 LSB wrote:

Wait... BM has 2 penalties?

o.o

BTW, we don't have a DT any more.

On August 12 2010 11:05 LSB wrote:

My role had changes when all the DTs in the town were killed

On August 12 2010 23:39 LSB wrote:
youngminii is on the bandwagon right now

On August 13 2010 10:14 bumatlarge wrote:
By "not caring about logic" I meant the penalty assumptions logic. Ace said he knew he would die regardless, but i didnt register the mafia hitting ace based on his plan, because he had never outright claimed who he was hitting.

On August 11 2010 09:29 Ace wrote:
oh are you fucking serious?

:/

On August 13 2010 13:12 Bill Murray wrote:
i'm going to hit citi.zen

On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.

I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...

Also don't stump bum... >_>

On August 14 2010 12:11 bumatlarge wrote:
Hm :/ well bill you got some explaining to do. Citizen isnt dead. mafia had a 1 in 3 shot, I would have taken my chances and hit bill. They either REALLY feel lucky this game, or BM is red.

## Vote Bill Murray

Maybe the vig is either jaymes, or has some whack penalty. This is a pretty obvious choice. Thanks citizen for making this a little easier for the town. Hey maybe even Korynne is red too instead of LSB, but we can speculate that later.

youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp

chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks

Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB

Bill Murray (1)
youngminii

Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme

On August 14 2010 15:38 Scamp wrote:
Citi.zen it's possible that "vigilante" was given to the mafia as a safe-claim, and therefore they would know there isn't one in the game.

I'm just waiting for Bill Murray's input before doing any heavy reacting.

3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.

On August 14 2010 23:32 chaoser wrote:
Why aren't we lynching BM again? He said he was vigi, claimed he hit someone, then it didn't happen. WTF?

##vote BM

On August 15 2010 01:20 Korynne wrote:
Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys!

How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight.

Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not.

Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes."

So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm.

Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places.

On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:
Look at this vote list:


The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now.

Meaning:

* Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed").
* Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red.

I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it.

That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne.

The weekend is here!

On August 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:

Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious?

On August 16 2010 10:18 LSB wrote:

Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners.

Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy.

Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal?

On August 16 2010 10:24 DarthThienAn wrote:


It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town.

On August 16 2010 10:23 DarthThienAn wrote:
That said,

##Vote Korynne

citi.zen, what's your penalty? jw, because I don't have yours in my chart =D.

I'll phrase mine exactly as Jayme phrased it awhile ago. I look guilty. lolol.

Also, @BM: What is your penalty? I just want to be sure because it seems like you were lying for the first half of the game or so, and thus, the list would be wrong.

Updating the list:

Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim.
Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting.
Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later
Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions.
zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla: (partial penalty claim) After an event, his role changed
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy: Limited amount of votes
bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used
Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies.
Divinek: Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night
Jayme: Goth: looks guilty
chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.

On August 17 2010 03:41 Korynne wrote:
If BM claims to vigi me and mafia doesn't shoot or shoots me at night then like, they basically wasted a chance to kill someone. Like if we lynch BM if he doesn't shoot me, then if mafia doesn't shoot anyone/shoots me at night that's the equivalent of them shooting BM instead at night, and we lynch someone else during the day, which is giving us another chance at hitting mafia, so it's not bad.

So like seriously, can we lynch someone else today and then:
1) I follow instructions and vote majority, BM vigis me tonight
2) I don't follow instructions and don't vote majority, BM vigis someone else or doesn't vigi at night, you guys lynch me tomorrow (if I'm town I wouldn't screw you guys over and so if it's LYLO lynching me is totally fine because then I'm obviously mafia)
3) Me + someone else doesn't die tonight, in which case we lynch BM tomorrow

Like, lynch BM if I'm the only one that dies. If BM's mafia and can't vigi, then obviously lynch him. If BM's not mafia then mafia framed him, but like I said, that's equivalent to killing him at night.

On August 17 2010 05:21 Korynne wrote:
citi.zen, I don't feel about anyone. Like I said, just not me or BM.

With a lot of you adamant on me being mafia, anyone I bring up strongly kind of becomes a big circle of WIFOM.

So taking out me and BM for obvious reasons (execution of the plan), the choices we have are:
chaoser
citi.zen
Divinek
bumatlarge
Scamp
LSB

From word/penalty/role claims, I would go for chaoser, Darth, Scamp, or Divinek. I guess I'll do an analysis of each when I get home today.

On August 17 2010 06:42 DarthThienAn wrote:


Come to think of it, why isn't chaoser dead? Why would mafia hit zeks? To remove the threat of the +1 vote? All they would need to do that is prevent zeks from being lynched.




This post obviously implies that he's either blue or red. So if he's not red, mafia would know that he's blue. So why would they hit zeks, who was just a townie?

##unvote
Vote chaoser

On August 17 2010 07:30 LSB wrote:
##Unovte
##Vote: Abstain

I'm suspicious why suddenly Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThienAn accepted this plan. I'd like a bit more thinking time.

The main problem is looking at Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThieAn as the three group mafia. They know that if this plan goes through, it's gg.

On August 17 2010 07:33 Korynne wrote:
I've been too lazy and not having enough time to do anything. What happens if me and chaoser are town?

On August 17 2010 09:12 Scamp wrote:
I'm really not sure what the vote count is right now. I hope my vote isn't needed.

##vote: abstain

On August 17 2010 10:12 bumatlarge wrote:
Well unless you have 1 vote, you should start using them. We will need you for lylo, so I guess adjust yourself accordingly

On August 13 2010 11:32 Korynne wrote:
So like, working on stuff, but like been busy with school and work and things. Sorry, will get around to it. =(

On August 17 2010 11:13 Korynne wrote:
Sorry guys. >.<
I really shouldn't be playing mafia when I don't have enough time to commit to such things...

Totally LVP me this game. >.<

On August 17 2010 12:33 Bill Murray wrote:
If I mishit we lose, unless mafia hit a veteran or we have another penalized doctor
what am i supposed to do?

On August 17 2010 23:04 LSB wrote:

Divienk and Citi.zen has never seriously accused someone (well out of day 1) in the Citi.zen/BM/Divienk/DTA group.

I am not so sure about BM and DTA
BM: He gets ganked, and then calls out for lane mates. Citi.zen/Divienk magically show up day 2. His working with them could be more sticking to people that helps him
DTA: We don't have enough info on DTA, DTA just joined in, and natrually he could trust the more active veterans of the game. The problem is, the more active members of the game are the mafia.

Then again, maybe swap out BM for DTA?
Bill Murray



I'm touched.
On the other hand, chaoser/lsb/scamp didn't push for 3 mislynches... Hmm

Okay sure.
Citi.zen actively went after Ace, Youngminii, Korynne, and Choaser
Citi.zen day 1 accused Bill Murray, but afterwards, he became Bill's biggest defender.
Otherwise, he doesn't seem to be making any new attacks

On August 18 2010 05:22 LSB wrote:
I'd say lynch Citi.zen tomorrow.

On August 18 2010 05:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Sorry charlie, have fun trying to convince the town to lynch LSB!

On August 18 2010 07:25 bumatlarge wrote:

Yeah maybe you should go back a few pages, DTA was a fresh take on the game, but all that talk and we're basically screwed anyway? I'll just resort to what I feel thank you very much. It just so happens LSB feels the sameway.

On August 18 2010 10:47 LSB wrote:
It doesn't matter if she was wrong or right. All that matters is that she flipped town. And apparently, you... don't... care...

On August 10 2010 08:17 citi.zen wrote:
Scumhunt. Right.

##Vote Ace

I just wanted everyone to claim penalties so you could HOLD everyone to their penalties and kill off the liars asap.

On August 19 2010 04:25 Ace wrote:
wait citizen was on every innocent lynch wagon?