Penalty Mafia - Page 2

On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:



what did he do that was against the rules?

On August 09 2010 11:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

I'm starting to think that if there was a meticulously enforced play to win rule, Bill Murray would have been on a permanent ban list long ago.

On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.

P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.

Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.

1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...

2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in:



This tells us 2 things:

The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself.

Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell:

Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action.

If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced.

Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit.

## vote Pyrr

On August 08 2010 09:23 Ace wrote:
Majority of mafia games are no PM ^_^

With basically no information needless to say we are in a bad position to start off. But fear not! Based on reading my role PM I can make some guesses as to what's possibly a good idea. I think my role, while not powerful is potentially good enough to almost break the game if my hunch is correct. Let me think about what other possible penalties are available.

On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:
The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense.

P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously.

Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here.

1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered...
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On August 09 2010 23:03 LSB wrote:
Guys, focus on BM
I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr.
We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town.

As for Ace's plan

Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum

On August 09 2010 23:23 zeks wrote:
agreed, lynching BM should be our first course of action - will make things easier when we decide to out Ace or Pyrr

On August 10 2010 03:13 LSB wrote:

Of course. So lets see what penalty claiming has done for the town
The Town knows that Pyrr is either Blue or Red.
(Assuming Pyrr isn't in the mafia)
The Mafia knows that Pyrr is Blue, because they have a PM of who is red. Target #1 on the hitlist

So all we're doing is giving the mafia more information



Lets say BM flips red. Ace would then be our next lynch.
Ace was the one who figured out BM was just messing with us. After a bandwagon was formed. Ace responced by chainsaw defending BM. Very scummy

On August 10 2010 03:56 Korynne wrote:
Sup boys~

Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever.

So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage.

Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course.

On August 10 2010 04:23 Korynne wrote:


I think the penalties could likely help reds. If I was red I'd definitely prefer knowing them than not, especially given that Hesmyrr gave reds safe claims, and so far (including my claim) some claims seem to be reasonably safe and uncheckable.

I haven't seen anything from the penalties that could help town so far. Ace may be able to be confirmed it seems, not entirely sure what his thing means. But if nothing shows up for a night or two I'd be very suspicious. Everyone else on the other hand seems to have very neutral claims.

On August 10 2010 07:29 Ace wrote:
Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now?

I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.

Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum. LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me?

On August 09 2010 23:14 citi.zen wrote:
I wonder about these apparently conflicting statements:


Versus this one:


I am not ready to push for a lynching of Ace, but these sort of conflicting statements are not giving me any comfort, especially in conjunction with the claim that we need to state our penalty, but not the roles, so we can "figure out how the game is balanced". You need both pieces as far as I can tell. The only thing the penalties tell me thus far is some people have "actions" and others do not - which seems to be quite valuable for the mafia while not helping the town a great deal.

On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD.

On August 10 2010 08:04 Ace wrote:


If you think that's the case I'll give you a simple task: come up with an idea of your own instead of complaining. You don't have to listen to me, you can just do something yourself.

On August 10 2010 09:46 Bill Murray wrote:
citi.zen did you ever answer when i asked you top 3 suspects? obstinacy is a sign of mafia

On August 10 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
I killed Pyrr by switching my vote off BM. It was an idiotic move, I was not aware of the vote totals and had no clue the voting was ending so soon.

That said, Ace is red.

I also think Korynne is red. Plus someone who attacked Ace day 1, Ace like to do that with one team member.

On August 10 2010 09:35 Ace wrote:
false citizen. I only did that in like 4 out of 15 or so mafia games. That doesn't mean I like to do it ^_^

Thanks for taking responsibility of the vote switch though. It almost makes you innocent in my blood stained eyes.

On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:
Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion:

The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1.

Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0.

When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side.

My penalty
bumatlarge's penalty
zeks penalty

So now we're at -3: 0.

At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die.

This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night.

If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road

On August 10 2010 12:35 Ace wrote:


*yawn*

How much you wanna bet I don't get lynched?