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RNG vote sucks....I'm not following that. Infund is right, lynching inactive is better. -__-...And besides, long running tradition, shows people we mean business...Ya feel me home slice? | ||
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On July 18 2010 08:12 Jayme wrote: As far as I know they can't miss any votes at all. We have more of a chance to land on a townie with any day 1 method we choose simply due to the fact that there are 24 townies and 6 mafia...there is no way of avoiding this. As a matter of fact I would say we have a better chance of hitting a good red player through RNG because I mean...who's to say that this "good townie" isn't just a red being a good townie. I understand lynching an inactive is killing someone who wouldn't have helped anyway but you're still doing just that...just about guaranteeing a green lynch which is completely pointless. As I said before I'm willing to go with either, there isn't much we could do. The issue I see with RNG is verifying if it's actually RNG. Actually....I'm done for this....Let me read a little more and we'll see who I want to die.... Also, I'm tired of these idiotic plans. We can pm. Dt, check someone PM them, pass turn, check someone PM them and the other person, pass turn. Quit playing like idiots and realize the benefits of having PMs....Nubby ass mafioso. And go back and look at games with PM's day one, no body does anything that day... The best thing I could say is everyone Roleclaim to me, and lynch me today...Or wait til tomorrow and do it. I'd inform of match ups, over counts, and die out as proof. How does that sound? I can send the PM out, and inform before death of everyone who doesn't respond, over counts of roles, ect. ect. I could be checked night one if that would be a problem, (wouldn't recommend organized multi checking though) and lynched day 2. Even if I was god father, god father would be out and too many blues to snipe with a list of roles and over claims. *yawn* But I don't really wanna die too bad, or abuse how easy this game could be. | ||
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-_- I have never liked your writing style from any game. From my perspective it makes perfect sense BC. But I guess it would only make sense to me....Lolz | ||
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On July 19 2010 08:36 BrownBear wrote: My bad, didn't realize you could abstain. Should have done that, but at this point it's not like it really matters :/ ....Shitty post by brownbear.... Hyperbola is probably right about him. I'm voting for brownbear from now on. On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? Shitting reasoning for brown bear | ||
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On July 20 2010 01:34 Roffles wrote: Nah OpZ, not just one shitty post by BrownBear. Nearly all his posts are shitty. Don't really wanna dig up the post, but I do recall him voting first, then saying "I'm gonna go read". Like what the hell is that? I'm gonna blindly vote, then read, then afterwards he just makes it even better by saying, "Oh, I could change my vote. But nahhhhh" We should be looking at chaoser...my first accusations, you know are just bull shit (thank you for the paying attention to how I play every game Roffles -_-...Really makes me angry BC jumped and got me labeled as stupid when I name some stupid plan and everything, but hey, can't blame him. I liked the idea cuz I know I'm town, and knowing that my death would verify everything i said, ect, ect.) Personally, I think whoever DT checks first they should contact given that they aren't mafia, tell them to state that, get PM'd role claims, post claims, get lynched, and then use the list....insta win......Chances of checking GF 1/29.....Chances of hitting a mafia not gf, 1/24. So yea...But hey.... But chaoser hasn't played with me, and go look at his posts...pretty low caliber. So far, my FoS is brownbear and chaoser. | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:37 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: well according to day post, both the victim and the medic get a PM from the mod so claiming to each other should be safe unless i'm missing some obvious hole here in my tired state. If a vet was hit, he should NOT role claim imo, as i think it gives away too much info (the mafia don't know if it was a med protect or a vet) I think you're right that a double stack is really unlikely. If nobody steps forward to claim the 2nd hit, then it is possible i guess. Whoever took the 2nd hit needs to state it publicly in the thread. The mafia already knows who they hit; there is no disadvantage and the town benefits from this info. If mafia double stacked, one of them would step forward and claim they took a hit. Why? Because it would virtually confirm one of them....but lets ignore that. Mafia never do that. | ||
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On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote: Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight. Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim. ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!! The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear. Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys. I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player: ##Vote: BrownBear I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion. -_- You said everything I was about to say...Glad I read to end of thread. Another job interview today guys, but I should be back. I also don't like BrownBear's plan. ##Vote:BrownBear Dunno where this will lead, but I'm willing to change my vote. | ||
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On July 21 2010 00:51 d3_crescentia wrote: I am clear 100%; you just don't know it yet. On the other hand, are YOU clear 100%? Let's find out, one way or another. What, indeed? Mafia BC likes not being paid attention to... | ||
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On July 21 2010 01:11 Amber[LighT] wrote: wtf dude where you getting all these job interviews from? Share the love... I only have about 1 month left before I'm officially unemployed  Same place...I got there yesterday, but the lady that processes people in didn't work. The manager didn't have my cell because I met with him personally before that and he scheduled it before looking at my application. So it got rescheduled. I got half an hour and my pants just got put in the dryer. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. | ||
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On July 21 2010 10:16 Roffles wrote: You came in with the deciding vote in the end. Hyperbola's fate wasn't sealed and he easily could have been the one still alive today and not youngminii. The person who started Hyperbola's vote train was the guy Hyperbola accused at the very beginning without reading anything. The Mafia has no reason to start a bandwagon on Day 1. No need to risk, especially when they know who's what and they have the power to pretty much bandwagon any vote at the last minute to skew it in their favor. Which brings us back to you, the deciding vote in the end. I'd say you sealed Hyperbola's fate by jumping on board late, which can very possibly be due to Mafia bandwagoning at the last moment. Also, don't bring up this noob card. No one cares if you're a noob. Bandwagoning late day is more telling then bandwagoning early. Especially among rather new people. And the mafia could wretch their votes away as the bandwagon grows, saying they were being rash in voting for someone. Don't try and argue about fates being sealed and saying bandwagoning is risky. I've seen it pay off quiet a bit before. I don't bandwagon though...I voted brownbear early because he posted a stupid plan, AND jumped on a BS bandwagon. *still reading thread, had to go pick my gf's puppy up today (lil chihuahua, and posting from her shitty lap top) so gimme a minute* | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote: This is the stupidest thing, pretty much ever. Is there evidence against chaoser? Nobody can really explain what it is. Is there evidence against DTA? Hardly. Is there evidence against Subversion? Yes, there is. 1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member. 2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say. Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty. What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there. None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble. YoungMini has put his reputation on the line for DTA...Give me a sec...I'll link it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=44#873 Now shush. | ||
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On July 21 2010 15:05 SiNiquity wrote: I think both BrownBear and Subversion are just terrible townies (God save us if they're blue). Curious where Rastaban disappeared to, and still want to know why he left his vote on citi.zen from pre-game. ##Abstain for now, but it won't be there come lynching time. So much to sift through Bad post. I will probably vote for you shortly... *yawn*...And probably scrape up some analysis on you. I'm not expecting much work in that. So you wanna claim now, or after I drag the wagon towards you? On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: Unvote BrownBear ##Vote: Subversion Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute. Bad Amber...Highly suspicious looking... *note to self, vote DarthTheinAn* On July 22 2010 03:16 Amber[LighT] wrote: If we play the game with this logic then BC should have been killed already, but he's still alive. Opz is still alive, he's a strong player too. What about Roffles, he's incredibly cunning and plays the part of mafioso and townie very well. Pyrr should have been killed based upon this logic as well. Infun should have probably been a good target. You're playing the game very counter-intuitively. You're insisting that strong players should die, not suspicious players. DTA is playing the Chezinu card, which is common play. There's always guaranteed to be one of those idiot players in the game. The host himself has played this card before in games... I can't believe the people that are coming forward insisting that killing subversion will gain no knowledge. Killing DTA just verifies his play-style. We can actually tie a connection between DTA and Subversion as well as the people who are trying to avoid talking about DTA at all, or those who are supporting one lynch target over another. I'm not going to sit here and say killing DTA is wrong, he is still a target due to his play-style this game, but he's going to give us less information than lynching Subversion. Do whatever you want but don't justify your lynch vote by saying DTA is a good player and I think other people's opinions are strong, so this must be a good choice. Sheep. Amber, Amber, Amber...That's just showing us how many veterans are in the game. I'm personally not that good, I just often get really good hunches. BC is far better at playing mafia then me. He catches everything and knows when to lock his jaws on someone. He posts far more influential then I probably ever will. Hence why I hate following him, and have terrible distrust of him. He also isn't posting often, and the only game I've seen him mafia that's exactly what he was doing. Not posting often, but posting influentially. + Show Spoiler [Example of BC in action.] + On July 22 2010 04:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Going through this thread since I got home from work last night and began to filter through the vote info day 1, but more importantly, who seemed to push for random bandwagons. What is more surprising is that these bandwagons formed AFTER they had solidly defended themselves (hyper/young). Yet even with a defense, people were “unconvinced” of their innocence. The youngminii vote list is odd, after two defense posts and solid ones for day 1 at that, he still garnered people vote for him Infundi started the vote train with It’s a “placeholder” vote. He then argues with young and refuses to vote swap. Xelin posts a reason to vote for young very quickly after, He is gut shotting, not a very solid way to do it day 1. This post intrigues me, a lot. HE is blind trusting someone to follow for voting, which makes the third vote of a bandwagon that formed in the last 17 hours of the day, all 3 voting with in a page of eachother. Super odd to be formed a) so late and b) with next to no real debate. Odd vote choice as he has read the thread, comments little for his vote, but goes onto say how he would prefer to have the days lynch go, seems fair enough of a reason to avoid a no lynch. Of all the votes for young, this one strikes me as the most reasonable, as it is voting based on things he has said, and things he disagrees with and is voting for it. Now, that that is done, lets go see what day 2 looks like for these 5. This vote is a completely different style, levels out with what he said the day before of not having time, here he obviously did as it’s a moderately informed vote. HOWEVER he later does this Here shows that rather than being certain of his choices, he going bandwagon to bandwagon. Subversion has had far to many people jump on him for being a bad player when the kid is new. And now another player, who should know better based on experience, is jumping at him. Seriously fishy imo. Very little activity overall and hoping onto bandwagons is all hes really doing. Going into description of who he thinks should be lynched based off two major candiates. Although DTA is a more recent bandwagon (well revival of one) This vote worries me. He starts by saying “I was going to vote for x” then immediately swaps his opinion to someone who has made a few minor slip ups (possible newb?) but votes out of fear of him saying something he shouldn’t. Odd reason to kill someone now, sounds like a pm land reason, although I have no way to prove that. To my knowledge, Infundi has just voted for double lynch today, and Roffles still hasn’t voted. Now looking at this, I see a few really oddly done votes, and it continues today. Amber seems to vote for whichever wagon at the time is attracting the most people, hopping onto Youngminii near its beginning, then proceeding to jump on BB when it was in its prime, now hes hopped over to subversion. This is insanely odd to me. Next we have jayme, doing very similar things, hopping onto popular wagon without really contributing much to the game other than hopping onto the wagon with a simple reason of why he joined it. His reason day 1 was sound, his reason right now not so much. I would also say as a minor link that potentially means nothing at this point, but both amber and jayme have voted together twice now (provided this vote stays final). NOW, lets talk about the last days playing. WHAT THE HELL GUYS. I am gone for a day, and seriously return to you all attacking well everyone Youngminii vs chaoser pandain vs chaoser Chaoser vs young/pandain everyone and their puppy vs subversion Shit jumping randomly out to attack dta people still discussing the crap of BB rather than just ignoring him based on stupidity. Lakrismamma attempting to start a fight with roffles based on inactivity (pot calling the kettle black?) The amount of just literally piles of crap to weed through is agonizingly annoying to read. ALL of responsible for this all should take a step bad and really see what you are doing. Because of all this nonsense there is really next to no real candidate for a lynch, instead its a bunch of minor bandwagons people can fan/hide in. If the group of you mainly responsible for this is town, shame on you guys, you should know better. Start reading what people are saying, not just arguing a gut shot. As its too damn late to try and coordinate on who to vote on, I AM choosing amber for having two days worth of sketchy voting habits + bandwagon hopping. ##vote amber[light] You're vote on Amber strikes me as a vote on a townie. Amber actively stated and repeated that veterans should not claim, possibly saving lives further down the road. iirc I don't think you were around and arguing that they shouldn't then, but who knows, I've been busy lately, and will go about checking that out. On July 22 2010 05:33 Roffles wrote: Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. There, you outlined it yourself. You acknowledge that his little mafia mistake is just weird, yet you still cast your vote for him. It isn't something that Mafia is stupid enough to slip up on, yet you're fueling the bandwagon even though you acknowledge that it's weird and unusual, not necessarily harmful in all. I will be fine voting for roffles. Haven't read to see what whoever was lynched, and whatever they flipped, but I would have changed my vote off BB most likely. Chaoser vs Darth lynch votes will be very important. Most suspicious on whichever list that suceeds in lynching the other should be lynched. I.E. if darth gets lynched pops green, lynch someone who voted for darth. Vice versa. If red pops, lynch someone who voted for the other. Obviously. Atleast that's how I feel. On July 22 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote: Cool, let's kill anyone whose playstyle we don't like. Darth, I'd suggest you claim now...lol....And yes, I vote people based on play styles. (posting this all early. Day getting close to ending. 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On July 22 2010 10:07 DarthThienAn wrote: Opz, you should vote for Subversion. You know that post of Tree.Hugger's you linked on page 54 (the one where he says his reasons for saying to go for subversion...I addressed that.) So please stop claiming to gain more from subversion. Tree.Hugger, please post all reputations on the line for Darth and Subversion. Thanks in advance (though I don't suspect it will happen, AND if by some means it does, I'm sure it will be wrong) | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:00 Subversion wrote: Also, I don't know what wifom means wine in front of me. -_- Would you drink from your wine glass, or would you take the glass from the person who provided the wine glass? a.k.a. bunch of bs to make us run in circles. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:37 ~OpZ~ wrote: YoungMini has put his reputation on the line for DTA...Give me a sec...I'll link it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=44#873 Now shush. I believe this was the closest I came to addressing it darth. It wasn't addressed at me. And I was using it to confirm why lynching either of you provides NOTHING on youngmini, because he defended both of you...in round about ways. | ||
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Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that? He can't. I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too. | ||
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AND he PM'd me, which is a no no. I only want PM's when I'm checked and saved. | ||
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On July 22 2010 16:39 Tricode wrote: Thank you. I am glade you are impressed. I hope this post also impresses you. On July 22 2010 16:35 Pandain wrote: Omg you right. His new post "Why?" has earned him the long coveted award of 7 posts. I tip my hat to you sir. On July 22 2010 17:02 Subversion wrote: I want night because I'm tired ^_^ Was a hectic mafia day lolz. I hope you all choke on your spam. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That would be my guess. No idea which one hit me, but regardless, I was. You could have been hit by mafia....Or vig... Unconfirmed. Suicide bomb is impossible, a red would have died. Now...If the vig would like to step forward given that he is now a regular townie and say who he hit.... | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:35 youngminii wrote: The real question is why would vigilante hit any of these three? It makes no sense. There was no spotlight on any of them and they didn't really shine a spotlight at anyone (well BC said some things a while back). Roffles wasn't posting, I would of hit him. I also would of hit BC myself. So....Eh? | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:46 youngminii wrote: I don't think B) is true. It's extremely unlikely that there is a Vigilante that is bad enough to waste their kill so early in the game with such little evidence. I have my own reservations on whether or not I believe your claim but A) seems to be the most likely at this point in time. Citizen regularly day vigs people randomly ruining scum plans at day 2/3....So....Don't say that...Lol... | ||
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On July 23 2010 19:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Your a bit behind now, a vig did step forward.... Aye...I was sifting through spam BC. -_- Well atleast we know it was someone who holds a petty grudge against you also! =D Anyway....Yea... ##Vote Abstain Vote: Double Lynch should be 4 confirmed people (if DT's didn't check same people, but then we'd have 2 connected DT's) + 2 DT's + Tricode, That's seven confirmed (semi concerning Tri-Code). Game should be wrapping up soon. p.s. DT's, oh how I'd love you to waste your time and check me, but don't bother. I'd rather you get someone more useful into the circles. | ||
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On July 23 2010 09:00 Subversion wrote: I voted for DTA, but I didn't want to. I made several posts saying that I believe him to be town, that I believe all 3 top candidates to be town, and that we should change targets entirely. I only voted for him because, to be honest, it was him or me, and voting me out would have been bad for town. I have been up front about that fact all along. Means nothing subversion. It further points out that you voted for him for a decent reason, but I don't care if he's town or mafia when it comes to your reason. Don't be sheep. Sheep is bad. Anyone saying you voted for DTA in bad intentions can go shove it. Unless Tree.Hugger is DT and checked you, I don't want shit. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:48 chaoser wrote: I do however know that a Vigi hit SOMEONE tonight. That Vigi should claim since they are regular townie now and say who they hit and why. Mafia doesn't gain anything from them claiming, I think. Also, if it's a false claim, real Vigi can always claim as well and then we have a 1 v 1. Either way, one mafia is dying if they fake claim. I'm also going to go to sleep but I feel I have enough evidence to compile a case against someone by tomorrow morning Softclaim medic? Or you in contact with vigi? On July 23 2010 15:27 d3_crescentia wrote: I actually disagree here. If 2 scum step up and counterclaim it exposes them in the open under public scrutiny. We can lynch the first claimant (the one who fired the shot) and see if he told the truth. Then we can have the other two shoot each other during the night with their vigi shots. If neither of them dies then we know they're both lying. Vigi only gets one shot. So....read first post, and realize how the role works in this game. On July 22 2010 12:59 youngminii wrote: Also, you do not base your votes on whether or not you lynch a green or a blue. You base your votes on whether or not you lynch a red or a town. All the good townies vote to lynch greens!! Stop giving him shit. I've voted to save myself before knowing I'd lynch a town. I'm sure you would too. You base your votes on attempting to lynch a red. | ||
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On July 25 2010 21:37 zeks wrote: Double Lynch List (18/13): Siniquity, BrownBear, Protactinium, zeks, ~OpZ~, rastaban, bumatlarge, chaoser, tree.hugger, LaXerCannon, Pandain, lakrismamma, XeliN, citi.zen, youngminii, pyrrhuloxia, amber[light], Divinek Who is missing? Tree.hugger, BC, SouthRawrea, Infundibulum, Misder, Tricode, Subversion youngminii's red list: BC, SouthRawrea, Chaoser, Infundibulum, Pandain, Amber[Light], Tree.hugger Seems like a decent list... | ||
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On July 25 2010 09:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Only one phrase really sums up citizens post Lynch all Liars Voting for you shortly =D | ||
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On July 25 2010 10:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Young, you know that if South is blue, the mafia spread their votes across both lists and let the town fight over the lynch. The problem is Citizen's DT knows who the Mad Hatter is. Citizen claimed MH to solidify his claim as confirmed and knew the real MH wouldn't counter claim. So South or Tricode are mafia. Tricode mroe likely imo. | ||
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And likely enough my own vote...I gotta go look back at when citizen was alive...but I always distrust you. Lol. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rofl. Dude I criticized a plan with holes. Hey look, tree.hugger, chaoser, and infundi did as well but your not going for them. I was under the impression they were all next to die too.... | ||
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What what what!? He denies any contact.... Eh, I can believe it. I've only received PM from zeks and tree.hugger. I don't feel too loved sittin over here. lol. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Your roleclaim plan was flamed by more than me, don't try to finger me on that. South was analyzed and pulled out by me? then I went for a person who turned out to be lying and whos plan lost tons of credibilty for it. Surprise, surprise, I was wrong about his alignment, but correct on his plan being riddled with issues. Sparking town discussion? I have been doing so since I got back from work, hell, i started the discussion on citizen's plan that till then everyone was like "YEA LETS AUTO TRUST 100%" and the guy was lying. As for wrong side of vote so far? Citizen flipped liar. Amberlight has not flipped period, nor has pandain, and look pandain has turned out to be a liar as well. Dude, if you want to analyze and finger me to death, care to well not blatantly lie? Details of citizens plan became apparent on his death. Do you not understand that? Their were reasons he lied. But you're right. We should lynch zeks anyway JUST BECAUSE he has a bomb on you/south kill 4 people (lynch zeks/someone else, BC/South/someone else if bomb moves), 3 mafia or, 2 mafia and 1 possible mafia, and lose a hatter that's used both bombs.... | ||
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On July 26 2010 16:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: IF town was so sure of my guilt, they would be lynching zeks to do a few things. Prove his alignment, prove mine, prove southrawrs. INSTEAD he has said which means he has no bombs on me or SR. IE they could be anywhere. The soul means of proof he had to 100% clear his dt, clear himself, get info from me and SR is now moot. Effectively saving himself from having to prove his own identity. Do I think he is likely real based on SR/Rasta trying to off me? Yes, but he moved his bombs regardless, so him dying now becomes potentially harmful to the town depending on where those bombs went. See...This is the part that worries me. We could of gotten three mafia and possibly (under 1.5? so 2 left?) lowered the KP today just by lynching zeks. -_-....That just bugs the fuck out of me. Coulda left his dt with someone checked by the legit proven dt, and BIZZAM. sittin pretty again. Honestly BC, I want more than "lynch because they lied." because citizen told us he was lying just before he died. Told us a MH would claim. Did you place your other bomb last night South? You said you only placed one (stupid), so i'm hoping you put your bomb that you had left on zeks right? xD BC possibly played your ass hard too. Honestly I kinda believe it too xD | ||
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On July 26 2010 16:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Dude, its currently 12:12 am, and i work in the morning. Yes I can do analysis (hell I gave some the day before that got ignored and somehow turned against me). However, to get said analysis requires giving me time to actually make one. At the moment I seem to be playing the game of keeping votes off my body to end day. Good sir, you have my word I won't vote for your death until at least your next post I see after you go to sleep. I refuse to be sheeped entirely. I'm sure you understand my distrust of everything you say, yes? | ||
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On July 26 2010 16:29 youngminii wrote: What a huge shitstorm this thread has become. Glad to finally not be a part of it. Here's the facts.
Now I actually LIKE the fact that people aren't just going along with the flow and voting for the first thing they see, ie. "Oh look, people are voting for BC/SouthRawrea, I guess I'll just follow along like a sheep". Having your own opinion is extremely important in this game and if everyone had played like this on the first two days, Hyperbola and DTA would not have died, so I applaud town for not having gone and quick-lynched BC/SouthRawrea yet. However, you should be able to go over all that's happened and form your own decision and I'm certain that your own decision will eventually be "I'm going to lynch BC/SouthRawrea". When reading their posts, keep in mind of what mafia would say if they were in BC/SouthRawrea's position and remember that BC is a very, very good player. But you most also remember what the mafia would say if they knew BC wasn't mafia.... But south will probably be lynched....I ain't having another Caller-esque escape....ya know? | ||
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On July 27 2010 00:54 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: oh whew i missed that. my 3 was off anyway cause amber and d3 voted after Bill's vote count They are still fucking idiots or mafia. I will be happy to vote anyone that pushed BC AND South over majority if EITHER pops green. Could of at least waited for BC to post suspects. Could of waited for more from south. Ignore every other scummy person and possible information we could of gathered because you guys would like to vote. Sorry BC, regardless of your color, I didn't cast my vote for you yet. Vote: Abstainx2 & Double Lynch | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Xelin's Twelve] + On July 17 2010 19:41 XeliN wrote: This game has finally started, been checking for ages. So no-one seems to have suggested any plan of action or srs business. In fact most of the chatter reads like the ramblings of a girls coffee morning. I would put forward two suggestions, lynch the least active person (has it's weaknesses, specially as there is very little to talk about at this stage with no info to go on) or simply use a RNG to lynch someone and go from there. I'd prefer the latter, everytime i've played and the town does an impulsive whim first lynch a townie always dies, using a RNG then just simply going from there seems a nice way to get over the fact we have barely anything to go on. Here Xelin says to lynch the least inactive person.....Funny coming from a man with 12 posts.... (Let me point out I'm quoting all of them. So I'm not leaving anything out) On July 18 2010 05:39 XeliN wrote: I'm not entirely sure on the inactive thing, if there is someone who doesn't post whatsoever they are dead anyway, and it encourages people to spam simply to not be case as inactive. Depends how things work out, if there is someone who at the end of day 1 has only posted one thing that is about as useful as typing "lol mafia!" then I'd agree but it depends on circumstance. This only really applies for the first day, after that lynching for inactivity if there is not a more obvious choice seems like a universally very good idea, but I'm surprised more people arn't considering the idea of using a RNG to decide our first kill. And OpZ just lol @ immediately claiming 3 people seemingly randomly as mafia. Another disparaging statement towards inactivity....Really....Xelin... On July 18 2010 20:03 XeliN wrote: Just woke up, for now going to Vote Brownbear until I have a chance to catch up more fully, which won't be till later on. ....Throws a vote to brownbear.... On July 18 2010 20:04 XeliN wrote: ##Vote Brownbear (this is one of those times I wish editing were allowed ^^) Just for total inclusion... On July 18 2010 23:37 XeliN wrote: Ok just caught up and out of all the ideas presented Tree.hugger's makes the most sense. We take a group of the most inactives, including people who have contributed nothing, Darth springs to mind... and then RNG to decide. From the looks of things this is going to be impossible to organise, in which case simply voting for an inactive person seems to me to be the best we can go for. Also one post in particular stuck out to me when going over this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=17#329 I'm suprised no-ones mentioned this, it seems like a clear attempt to try to influence what the blues do at an early stage, I'm not going to try to read too much into it but it stuck out to me when going over this thread. Another thing that stuck out is Darth's lack of posting much at all, tbh that could be nothing though as I'm of the opinion that simply writing little to nothing on the first day might actually be more beneficial than constant speculation on not very much information but the fact he's taken the time to basically write nothing seems odd. I'll keep my vote on brownbear for now, he's posted nothing as far as I have seen and in the past I remember him being unhelpful to the town. ...Ideas I personally don't like supported by tree.hugger and Xelin.... Still voting brownbear in this post....kk, Lets check where this goes. On July 18 2010 23:49 XeliN wrote: Actually scrap that, I've just gone over your posts individually Youngminii and your coming across so scummy to me. You argue everyone to abstain on the first day, or vote for someone that is going to be killed anyway. That directly helps mafia, and further reduces any information that we could have going into Day 2, you've also tried to directly influence what any blues in the game do on the first day and instead of addressing the points infundulum makes against you, you flip reverse it and accuse him of being Red. Remove vote Vote youngminii ...Not even twelve minutes later he has went through ALL of Youngmini's HUGE amount of posts, and decided he was scummy? Really....in twelve minutes... On July 20 2010 02:42 XeliN wrote: I don't have much time currently to commit to this game as much as I'd like, still keeping track just can't go over things as carefully as I should. I'll be fine after tomorrow, just caught me at a unfortunately busy period. Anyway, Young, going back I didn't respond to you. Your right about my criticism of you for trying to influence the action of the blues, I didn't properly read what you were suggesting, which hopefully if I am right was simply that we should have organised a system whereby we make sure the blues do not use their night actions on the same person. I stand by my analysis of you however, I went over your posts and they did strike me as suspicious. Particularly the way you were pressing for lynching someone who was going to be modkilled anyway or a no lynch, which only hurts us. Currently the best thing to look at would be voting patterns and arguments in light of Hyperbola flipping town, I'd be careful though because it's plausible that none of the people who voted for Hyper are mafia, this is a first day lynch afterall. Your sig freaked me out earlier when I read it Bill, was reading the rules//roles section and didnt realise sig changes apply to old posts so had a weird moment of de ja vu xD Or maybe they voted for youngmini, after all....BC called him a rising star...seems a good first day lynch bus.... Now...Pay attention, He'll be active tomorrow... On July 21 2010 20:25 XeliN wrote: I'm personally not convinced about Brownbear whatsoever, his suggestions and arguments may be poor but he has not acted in a way I would expect a mafia too, his reaction to peoples accusations is far more fitting with how townies respond (although this is WiFOM, but I'm going to go with the assumption that Brown would not attempt to defend himself in a manner he hoped to portray as a green reaction if he were mafia) Out of the two candidates my inclination is for either Darth or Chaoser, the arguments against Subversion have seemed quite astute but quite frankly the actions of Darth and Chaoser so far concern me more, Darth from my past experience is extremely logical, helpful and influential. He has been none of these things this game and in the past I have only seen him in a town role. This shift in character//style would be the main reason I suspect Darth. Chaoser has been exceptionally inconsistent so far, Pandain has outlined most of my reasoning quite well on page 39, but to surmise his arguing against "no-lynching" in order to criticise a player then abstaining, using the argument "these two players are more suspicious//more evidence against them than me". This line of argument is almost laughable and reminds me of the playground type reaction "Hey don't pick on me... look at that kid... he can't even play football and he's ugly as hell". ##Vote DarthThienAn Out of Chaoser and Darth I would consider the latter more dangerous in a mafia role so I'll place it there. Not sure of the arguments against brownbear at the time anymore, other than the plan...and his inactivity which changed to being pretty active quickly. Probably stopped paying attention for a bit, so give me a lil and I'll look at him. And the vote on Darth...well....I thought Darth was playing annoying as hell...So I can't really say much. But I would rather kill darth than chaoser if I was scum too...Darth was playing wild and possibly had a power role. And one day later, a post....not a very good post....but a post... On July 21 2010 20:29 XeliN wrote: People have also brought up my inactivity, I have been keeping track of things up to this point but in quite a skim-readish way, there is no reason now why I cannot be both active and able to look over the thread carefully but I have been very busy for the last few day's which is why I didn't post much. Didn't particularly want to post for the sake of posting. Ok...I feel ya, I say the same thing sometimes....I got mad at the spam too. But definitely he'll come back and check later? On July 21 2010 22:37 XeliN wrote: I'll only congratulate him if he posts thanking me for doing so xD A jest with flamewheel!! Rather random for him to notice that so immediately... On July 24 2010 22:52 XeliN wrote: I'm going to ##vote SouthRawrea and DoubleLynch for now. I've barely had time to skim over this thread having been away from home and have to go out now as well. I'd request people don't vote for me simply because I know this won't benefit the town, but I can understand if I'm a target due to suspicion or simply inactivity. 3 Days later...Just to vote....Plenty more to say, but citizen dying is kind of annoying. I'm completely fine with BC's death just because of citizen's death actually. I was about to type my vote for bc, but not sure about day ending. This BS Pm plan can be south trying to drag bc with him, or south trying to be a green townie that got played baaaaaaad. Dunno, haven't heard of south yet, or rastaban, (BUUUUUUUUUUUUT that plan totally makes sense given they both are relatively new, and wouldn't understand how BC could trick them. Mad hatter BC, i put a bomb on you so I know you wont kill me. Detective BC, Hey your green! How do I know? Why I'm the detective!! 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On July 27 2010 17:36 Pandain wrote: Oh I was talking about Opz argument about him possibly being connected with BC. I'm saying that if BC IS red, than its more of a valid reason to suspect Xelin than the reasons we have right now. That was my point. I'm not saying go after xelin, I'm just pointing out what I thought to be a possible connection. I should check and see if bc said anything that would arouse suspicion directed at Xelin.. | ||
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On July 28 2010 14:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Shit, for real? rofl. I did way better than I was thinking I had. SOOOO thought I had only stalled you. BC, you had a VERY slim chance of changing my vote...But as I've said, I regularly distrust you. And your instajump on citizen is what hugely pinned my suspicion at you. Was an epic bus of citizen you pulled off tho. GG for you sir. | ||
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Well fine, Xelin is a good lynch candidate then? You happy? -_- We need another one right? I mean I was happy lynching pandain and tree.hugger, but if you would like to contact whatever circle and inform them to check one of tree.hugger/xelin, then be my guest. Pandain came up as mafia it has been said, So i'm assuming we instagib him, right? | ||
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On July 28 2010 15:15 Ace wrote: The only reason Mafia got hurt is because it's a mass PM game. Dont know why people like playing this style of game when it's just ridiculous having to play Find the Invincible DT style stuff - and then the Mafia has a Suicide Bomber as if that's actually going to help. At least a roleblocker or some ridiculously overpowered Scum role is needed. I've sent and received under 5 pms....Good sir. You've convinced me that this pm games aren't fun, yet masons are insanely fun. | ||
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On July 28 2010 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I woulda done it as town as well. As I said, his play was horrendous there, the fact that only a minority of players saw it makes me sad. It also led to one of the biggest breakthroughs in the game. And if he wasn't lynched, he had the names of both people that woulda been a fake dt, and a fake MH. Citizen personally picked the DT's night 2 check too. So....I dunno good sir if it was horrendous play. I think it was pretty baller. | ||
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On July 28 2010 15:32 Divinek wrote: bc did not draw suspicion off him self by having citi lynched, infact he had suspicion brought on him since he obviously flipped green and this lead to his death. So by definition it was quite the opposite of a bus You, AGAIN have misinterpreted my post. I am saying BC pulled the bus off of South by sending it at citizen. Which messed him up in the end. Do you understand now? He doesn't transition from south to citizen well, he just instaflips onto citizen. | ||
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On July 28 2010 15:33 Pandain wrote: I disagree with this. Citizen's plan did have some holes and we were lucky he turned out to be innocent AND the dt/mad hatter were not GF's. And some of us wanted to see their reactions, so not insta voting i would actually consider a plus. Aye. Addendum at the end that you also italicized....No. You're wrong. And dumb. And mafia. Citizen wasn't town. BC launched campaign to lynch citizen. Citizen died. Mafia probably voted for citizen. Everyone who voted for citizen and held off on BC (South was definitely dead by this point with Zeks claiming MH), should be THOROUGHLY scrutinized REGARDLESS. | ||
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On July 28 2010 17:15 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: vote lists with revealed roles. not sure who abstained on Day 4 because BM didn't put it in the count but i know it's at least me, BC, and Protractinium i think. + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] + Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Infundibulum Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode chaoser protactinium zeks DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger ketomai (2) lakrismamma Amber[Light] (1) OpZ LaXerCannon (1) Misder Citi.zen (1) rastaban SiNiquity (1) Pandain (1) Infundibulum (1) youngminii + Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] + Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain chaoser (8) youngminii misder BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity tree.hugger bumatlarge Amber[Light] Infundibulum d3_crescentia Amber[Light] (1) Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Votes] + tree.hugger Amber[Light] Pandain Chaoser Pyrrhuloxia Protactinium Rastaban Infundibulum BrownBear Divinek Tricode Xelin bumatlarge zeks lakrismamma SiNiquity Abstain (2) Opz Opz (1) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia (1) Misder Protactinium (1) LaXerCannon + Show Spoiler [Day 4 Votes] + Day 4 divinek tricode zeks chaoser youngminii tree.hugger bumatlarge rastaban brownbear pandain misder d3_crescentia Siniquity zeks chaoser youngminii tree.hugger bumatlarge pandain rastaban brownbear d3_crescentia lakrismamma Pandain (2) Pyrrhuloxia Misder Zeks (1) Rastaban (1) Tricode I say if we lynch pandain and he turns out to be mafia, we lynch Amber too. Check BM's last game. Amber was BEYOND active. This game nothing of importance I can recall (although I went afk for a bit, I'm in it now). Notice BC voted for Pandain on Day one, then voted Amber on Day two.... Also, Votes on citizen and votes on subversion... | ||
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On July 29 2010 07:22 zeks wrote: BC: yeah i'm in waterloo on co-op right now...business analyst for the coop center i lined up at the future shop @ conestoga for 3 hrs to get my collectors edition Any overlaps that you can give us? | ||
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On July 29 2010 08:40 XeliN wrote: Oh what villainous webs we weave, to entice naivety into our midst and feast upon it. The dice is rolled, the hour shall strike for one brave solider blindly entering into the den of the beast. Yet justice doth spread itself too far, and the virtuous too oft find themselves stifled under it's harrowing wings. Flee, oh flee this tainted land, the light is swept away by dusk, blurring deceit and truth, entwined. The colour of our countenance shall cease it's divisive nature. Lo! for the mighty and weak alike shall become unified within this spectrum of transcendency. Our virtue shall glimmer out through eschatological verification, Who shall journey bravely with me out of this most turbulent sea? Would the marked come companioned? The Dice is rolled... I'm a wee bit infested and very much looking forward to meeting one, or more of you, on this most auspicious of nights. Fucking KNEW IT | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:17 Pandain wrote: Top four list(in my opinion) Imo we should look at these user's collection of posts first. In no particular order 1.Misder 2.Pyrr 3.tree hugger 4.Opz I said to kill Xelin!?! SEVERAL TIMES!! >_< I Explained my UTTER LOATHING of listening to BC. Are you kidding me. Look at my votes?! What votes did I make the same as the mafia we know about?! I was just about to go look at xelins votes compared to everyone elses. Fuck it, I'm voting you. I'm staying the course. Vote: Tree.Hugger and Pandain | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:39 Pandain wrote: 1.If there is another miller than I'm at 3/4 chance 2.When did I say the DT to ocugh up his identity? Theres a reason I withheld Sub's name while I was defending myself after young talked 3.You're already voting? Seriously? Think this through, this is serious. Listen to what I'm saying first. We have no medics, no dts. This is not the time for bandwagons. 4.The point of not lynching me is that we just lost a mad hatter, two greens, a dt, and a medic. If you were Miller you would of said 4/4 chance....Idiot | ||
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On July 31 2010 11:58 Divinek wrote: i find it interesting comparing this with my list 5] tree.hugger (~OpZ~, amber[LighT], chaoser, BrownBear, Protactinium) 2. brownbear 4. chaoser 9. ~OpZ~ 11. Misder 12. Pyrrholuxia 14. protactinium 4/5 baby makes me wonder if misder wasnt a red saved by his buddies hmmmm, two of those meanies voted for me as well then again there's only three mafia so if he was red things would get interesting quite fast I had voted for tree.hugger So early it's terrible...And I'm really starting to take another look at brownbear -_-....Pyrr Definitely | ||
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On July 31 2010 10:23 Divinek wrote: updated hit list those are the only people that dont have any sort of real evidence to prove that they're town, 50% chance we hit a mafia in theory if none of the other people are lying about their claims, though really d3 should probably be on this list 2. brownbear 4. chaoser 9. ~OpZ~ 11. Misder 12. Pyrrholuxia 14. protactinium ...Actually...How about this BrownBear and Chaoser were defended and protected enormously by everyone. Need votelist compiled again....-_- I really wish day posts and lynchs were linked to the first page.... Anyway, with knowledge of brownbear and chaoser being defended by players and almost lynched, here's what whoever feels like looking at the lists needs to do. Pandain and Tree.Hugger were town. So. Look at those that Voted for Chaoser and BrownBear. See if BC, Xelin, or South voted for any of them (Maybe not BC, because...well BC mind fucks people). That should possibly exonerate them mildly from suspicion if they are town. Pyrr....Yea...He's been...Where? Doing what? Saying a lot of shit, without saying shit. I remember a good post directed at someone (DTA I believe, but DTA was town). And where the hell did he disappear to then? Misder? I don't recall ANYTHING from him. Protactinium....I remember a few posts.....But nothing worth noting.... All BC, South, and Xe...wait I did Xelin's myself....Okay, BC and Souths posts ought to be anaylzed thoroughly for references to anyone. I believe he criticized Pyrr...But that....again....Is BC..... | ||
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On July 19 2010 10:17 Divinek wrote: it has been beaten to death why lynching someone is better than not lynching them. Your scenario doesnt entirely make sense as to why you would abstain though. Abstain or not someone can be active and be able to influence others. The only real power role we have to 'unleash' on night one is one random dt check and it's not like he's gonna come out and claim on day 2, so what should we all not vote on day 2 as well? Someone could gain this foothold you speak of on day 2 as well. Though i dont really see how that can be affected by your abstaining...I think you not voting hurts more than anything because people arent being forced to do anything. I just dont see where you're going with this at all. But you must vote for someone so we know what you really feel. Abstaining gives almost no information when voting habits can be so crucial in finding information. Little banter between Divinek and South, think it puts Divinek more favorably town...but it doesn't really condemn south...and dammit, losing my stolen internet connection. Need to get on desktop. | ||
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On August 02 2010 03:59 BrownBear wrote: Holy shit Protact. I am very impress. I want to raise the topic of Misder's inactivity - namely, it's nothing new. TL Mafia XXVI: Day 1: Shows up late, votes for me for Mayor right after I withdraw my candidacy, then doesnt post. Throughout the rest of the game, posted the bare minimum to stay alive, only stayed on bandwagons, occasionally popped up with some kinda-alright analysis... you get the picture. Only thing he had going for him this game was, he ended up being green. It's possible he is doing the exact same thing again. I went further back, and couldn't find any other games, so this is all we got to go on. ...And you could be protecting Misder to keep the mafia KP at two. ...Also... ##Vote Abstain I have to work. And I'm waiting on some things. Let's see where this goes... | ||
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On August 02 2010 05:18 BrownBear wrote: I don't give a crap about whether Misder lives or dies, I was just trying to do what Protact told us to and post solid evidence. If you really think it's that scummy then just vote for me, don't give me this crap. Given that this is essentially LYLO, I want us to vote correctly, not vote kneejerk. Since a lot of people have stacked onto Misder, I want to post the other side so that we make absolutely sure we're voting for the right guy. If Misder is town, it would be easy for mafia to stack on him and end the day with another failed lynch. Since that hasn't happened yet, there's a decent chance he's mafia, but again, it's essentially LYLO. We have to be 100% sure before we vote, we can't just say "oh he's inactive, so he's not helping the town, so it doesn't matter if he dies right guys?" Unless there's some other huge reveal/scumslip, though, my vote will go to Misder. I abstained FOR that EXACT reason. I'm not a sheep.... | ||
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On August 02 2010 08:19 Divinek wrote: I think an interesting thing for people to go back an analyze with their own sets of logic is at the point where BB suggests for the vets to claim, with the idea in mind that the GF himself was using a vet cover. i think this should clear BB, or im hoping the mob didnt read into it deeply enough to try a move like that, but more so the people that opposed the idea of vets claiming who are still alive. You can obviously see BC opposing this idea (even though it is a reasonable idea to oppose, it is extra pertinent for the mob as this is their GF's cover) and i couldnt see a mob member so strongly pushing for this idea if he knew his own GF had this role, or at least i hope not i dont think there is much to be had out from this early idea than taking a clearer look at bb's alignment but it is always helpful to narrow down that list it's around page 36 for you lazy dudes also a fun person to put under the spotlight will be pyrr! never been in danger of dying yet...for good reason or not? No....BC would of PUSHED for Vets to claim. Because he would of been DT checked as Vet...And he would be the one more likely to be DT checked...Lol | ||
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On August 02 2010 08:54 Misder wrote: Why? Just because I've been inactive sometimes. I still think I contributed more to the game than say, Jayme or tricode. My current list is: rastaban chaoser pyrrholuxia but I need to do more reseaerch on this least. I will try to do this when I have to the time, probably tonight. TriCode ALMOST killed the GF....If Roffles hadn't fucked it all up >_< | ||
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On August 02 2010 13:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I think this does make BB look innocent - no reason for mafia to have a public debate over this. When I criticized BB over his plan I was thinking from the perspective of the end game where we want mafia to waste hits on veterans. I suppose even then the plan could have been part of a ploy to out the veterans and avoid hitting them but if this was the mafia's plan they would have used their most persuasive player to do it (BC) rather than putting him against it. No....BrownBear can be pretty influential. Your idea here is crappy. And probably going to get me to vote for you. Here is the issue. BC would not pursue this plan because he had himself appearing to be a veteran. So him making that plan would be kind of fail. BrownBear is actually a regular at this game and is a lot better of a player than he has been this game.... I don't trust you, and you are making someone who sat near death look innocent. I'm finding the votes now, I finally got Firefox running on the desktop. | ||
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On July 26 2010 08:53 youngminii wrote: /facepalm My paranoid theory? BC and SouthRawrea are setting themselves to die (sacrifice) by some epic bussing in a last ditch effort to save their teammates at the very least. They use BC and SouthRawrea because they're the most suspicious right now. Don't take any posts that condemn them seriously (after the claim). On July 26 2010 15:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: vote lists with revealed roles + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] + Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Infundibulum Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode SouthRawrea chaoser protactinium zeks DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger ketomai (2) lakrismamma Amber[Light] (1) BloodyCobbler (2) OpZ LaXerCannon (1) Misder Citi.zen (1) rastaban SiNiquity (1) Pandain (1) BloodyCobbler Infundibulum (1) youngminii + Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] + Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain chaoser (8) youngminii SouthRawrea misder BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity tree.hugger bumatlarge Amber[Light] Infundibulum d3_crescentia Amber[Light] (1) Bloody Cobbler Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Votes] + SouthRawrea tree.hugger Amber[Light] BloodyCobbler Pandain Chaoser Pyrrhuloxia Protactinium Rastaban Infudibulum BrownBear Divinek SouthRawrea (8) Tricode Xelin bumatlarge zeks lakrismamma SiNiquity Abstain (2) Opz Opz (1) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia (1) Misder Protactinium (1) LaXerCannon | ||
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On August 02 2010 13:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well BC would have had to try to fight against the plan and have his plan fail, otherwise the suspicion that he was GF would be too high Wifom, so just my opinion. If BC had done that, I'd be suspicious because I know BC but that's how I would assume BC would handle that plan / situtation. I was responding to you. And for knowing BC so well, you seemed to of failed at catching him as GF. Analyze me Pyrr. I don't have THAT many posts. So please, do something benificial to the town. I'd really prefer you do BrownBear, seeing as you think he's town aligned. Him or Chaoser. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] + Divinek (Vet) Pandain (miller[/green[ SiNiquity med bumatlarge Brownbear? Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Infundibulum Abstain (6) LaXerCannon (miller) tricode (Vig chaoser? protactinium? zeks (Mhatter) DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger/green] ketomai (2) lakrismamma Amber[Light] (1) OpZ? LaXerCannon (1) Misder? Citi.zen (1) rastaban? SiNiquity (1) Pandain (1)[/green Infundibulum (1) youngminii + Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] + Pyrrhuloxia? XeliN zeks/blue] LaXerCannon[/green[ rastaban? OpZ? Protactinium? chaoser? Pandain chaoser (8) youngminii misder? BrownBear? Divinek Vet SiNiquity tree.hugger bumatlarge Amber[Light] Infundibulum d3_crescentia Amber[Light] (1) Abstain (2) lakrismamma DT tricode Vig + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Votes] + [green] [green]tree.hugger Amber[Light] [green]Pandain Chaoser? Pyrrhuloxia? Protactinium? Rastaban? [green]Infundibulum BrownBear? [blue]Divinek Vet Tricode Vig Xelin bumatlarge zeks MH lakrismamma DT SiNiquity Med Abstain (2) Opz ? Opz (1) d3_crescentia ? Pyrrhuloxia (1) Misder ? Protactinium (1) LaXerCannon + Show Spoiler [Day 4 Votes] + Day 4 divinek Blue tricode Blue zeks Blue chaoser ? youngminii Green tree.hugger Green bumatlarge Green rastaban ? brownbear ? pandain Green misder ? d3_crescentia ? Siniquity Blue zeks Blue chaoser ? youngminii Green tree.hugger Green bumatlarge Green pandain Green rastaban ? brownbear ? d3_crescentia ? lakrismamma Blue Dt Pandain (2) Pyrrhuloxia ? Misder ? Zeks (1) Rastaban (1) Tricode Blue Vig .... | ||
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On August 02 2010 14:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Lol just read that post I must have skipped over it before. This was some pretty good analysis by him; no one should have voted tree.hugger after reading this. Why did you vote Tree.Hugger, OpZ? I was following Young.Mini's vote list in his sig -_-.... I was in Daytona Beach, and had to make a vote before I left. But this isn't about me home boy...Why did you vote for Citizen? I can almost promise I was one of the first people to role claim to Zeks...Did it well before he asked. As in, the moment he posted saying citizen was his mouth. | ||
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D3 used me as a placeholder. I abstained. I hadn't had the chance to read the thread and I didn't want to make an uneducated vote. | ||
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On August 02 2010 14:15 BrownBear wrote: It was from my point of view, to the best of my knowledge I have not been DT checked. Opz... I know, I've played like crap this game. Sorry Unless your the other Veteran, my vote is between you and Pyrr. | ||
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Pyrr, Proct, BrownBear, Rasta, Chaoser. 5 of the unconfirmed people (which me and d3 sit as members of, but can be merrily rubbed off that list because we didn't vote to lynch the person who made the strongest protown move all game....) Now. I'm going to venture and say (seeing as d3 took a hit, and I know my role) that the three mafia are among these people right here. So we need to lynch either Chaoser, Pyrr, Proct, Brownbear, or Rasta. We have better than a 50/50 chance. If we lynch Pyrr, we lynch BrownBear (if pyrr is red). Vice Versa is true also with them too. Now lets look at the votelist on Chaoser on the day he was almost lynched (2). + Show Spoiler + chaoser (8) youngminii - Town Roffles - med SouthRawrea -Mafia misder - ? citi.zen - Town BrownBear - ? Divinek - Vet SiNiquity - Med Msder and Brownbear voted for Chaoser with a confirmed mafia voting for him also. This could be purely coincidental, because look at the DTA lynch list...More of us unconfirmed voted for DTA....But we should clearly examine the people voting for citizen more. I've said this before. Can you let me be lazy people? Or do I actually have to work. (Damn spam in this thread) Chaoser, Pyrr, Proct, Brownbear, or Rasta. | ||
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On August 02 2010 19:42 Bill Murray wrote: Tricode is confirmed Divinek is confirmed D3 is most likely town aligned. I know I'm town aligned... | ||
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On August 03 2010 02:10 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Votes] + SouthRawrea tree.hugger Amber[Light] BloodyCobbler Pandain Chaoser Pyrrhuloxia Protactinium Rastaban Infudibulum BrownBear Divinek SouthRawrea (8) Tricode Xelin bumatlarge zeks lakrismamma SiNiquity Abstain (2) Opz Opz (1) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia (1) Misder Protactinium (1) LaXerCannon We can almost gaurantee that the rest of the mafia voted citi.zen because otherwise, SouthRawrea would have been every close to being lynched. Anyways, everyone that voted for SouthRawrea is confirmed already. The only people that didn't vote for citi.zen or SouthRawrea are ~Opz~, Subversion, d3, Misder, and LaXerCannon. These are the hardest to figure out in the vote. However, Subversion is dead confirmed detective, LaXerCannon is dead confirmed miller. The only other people are ~Opz~, d3, and Misder. d3 is most likely town aligned (why is this really? All he did was claim medic protection. That doesn't mean his is town aligned, just that he was saved... why does this make him a townie?). So who's left in the didn't vote for either is ~Opz~ and Misder. ~Opz~ abstained; I don't recall the reasoning on this one and I can't find his post where he voted abstain...did he even vote? (also, as I was looking through his posts, he pointed out that Xelin may be mafia). Misder was out the entire day and he voted based on DTA's request the previous day. I never had any specific connection to BC. The only thing I can recall is BC claiming that I was townie, but he also did that with zeks the Mad Hatter. Then I didn't want to vote BC on Day 4, but I wasn't the only one tricked by him + I voted for SouthRawrea the mafia. D3 had to of been hit by mafia. Stop throwing suspicion onto him. Tricode had ONE hit. He used it on BC. So d3 was med procted by roffles of sinquity. D3 is Town aligned, and you are most likely mafia or can't understand that mafia never stack hits day one. They only stack when they KNOW they are going to hit someone that is important. Hate to break it to you. Anyway, I'm more certain about some things now. Everyone, check your PMs. Upper left corner. | ||
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On August 03 2010 02:10 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Votes] + SouthRawrea tree.hugger Amber[Light] BloodyCobbler Pandain Chaoser Pyrrhuloxia Protactinium Rastaban Infudibulum BrownBear Divinek SouthRawrea (8) Tricode Xelin bumatlarge zeks lakrismamma SiNiquity Abstain (2) Opz Opz (1) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia (1) Misder Protactinium (1) LaXerCannon We can almost gaurantee that the rest of the mafia voted citi.zen because otherwise, SouthRawrea would have been every close to being lynched. Anyways, everyone that voted for SouthRawrea is confirmed already. The only people that didn't vote for citi.zen or SouthRawrea are ~Opz~, Subversion, d3, Misder, and LaXerCannon. These are the hardest to figure out in the vote. However, Subversion is dead confirmed detective, LaXerCannon is dead confirmed miller. The only other people are ~Opz~, d3, and Misder. d3 is most likely town aligned (why is this really? All he did was claim medic protection. That doesn't mean his is town aligned, just that he was saved... why does this make him a townie?). So who's left in the didn't vote for either is ~Opz~ and Misder. ~Opz~ abstained; I don't recall the reasoning on this one and I can't find his post where he voted abstain...did he even vote? (also, as I was looking through his posts, he pointed out that Xelin may be mafia). Misder was out the entire day and he voted based on DTA's request the previous day. I never had any specific connection to BC. The only thing I can recall is BC claiming that I was townie, but he also did that with zeks the Mad Hatter. Then I didn't want to vote BC on Day 4, but I wasn't the only one tricked by him + I voted for SouthRawrea the mafia. Oh. ANd if you read my recent posts, I voted early and abstained. I was almost modkilled. I was gone for a day at the beach with my gf and my friend and his wife. I would of been modkilled had I not, I wasn't even sure I voted. Somebody quoted it though, pointing it out to BM. | ||
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On August 03 2010 04:19 d3_crescentia wrote: It makes me a townie because I got saved Night 1, when no Vigis could shoot and Mafia can't kill each other at all. Unless you believe that Foolishness got double-stacked and this is an elaborate ploy. @rastaban your post sort of summarized what I was going to say in a different post. Let's be blunt here - abstaining at this point in time is bullshit. Thinking: ##vote: chaoser I just didn't want the day to end. D3, I'm trusting in you severely to not be mafia and be an elaborate ploy masterminded by BC. xD | ||
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Scratch that. Work just called me in. (Oh, and that job I was saying I got interviewed for, I start tomorrow at 8am!!! but I have to quit the one that just called me in. ANd I gotta be sneaky about it too...cuz they'll cheat me out of my personal days if I'm not) On August 02 2010 10:38 Bill Murray wrote: WHO DO I GOTTA KILL? oh, wait, nm! 24 hours to go! I should have time...wait...FUCK....10:38 KST is 930 EST.... FUCK FUCK FUCK....God fucking dammit....Grrr.... | ||
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On August 03 2010 05:09 Divinek wrote: i dont get the point of your post at all. This is basically spam if you look at what you're trying to do with this post. Since you believe d3 to be town, and you know your alignment why didnt you follow this up with a vote for opz if you're sticking to your reasoning etc? pretty weak play imo I wasn't even going to acknowledge it. I'm the easiest person for the scum to pen as scummy. And nobody has came at me yet. Wtf. Would you idiot reds like me to analyze myself of something. SERIOUSLY. My FoS at Xelin? His next post after it was when he claimed infested terran! (Although he was probably going to be lynched the next day based on my post alone...Lol...Because I did create some discussion at him) My suspicion of BC...Well...DUH...Everyone should always be suspicious of him if he lives past day 3. Look how many posts I've made? I really don't feel like I've been posting scummy, BUT I gaurantee you can find some ways to distort them. Use my vote history?! Seriously. I'm the easiest person alive to pin as scum and no one is willing to do it?! Maybe they know my role and know it would be stupid to try. Lol. BC not their to guide you guys really must hurt. | ||
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On August 03 2010 02:47 rastaban wrote: Chaoser is to me the most suspicious, I am willing to change my vote if he can defend himself properly (I know he is away right now but said he will be back before the vote). I will keep watch for his response. (1)Voting Record + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Abstain Day 2: DTA Day 3: Citizen Day 4: BC and SouthRawea Day 5: Tree.hugger He has been on the majority lynch every day except for the first day where he abstained. (2)Deaths and Suspicions + Show Spoiler + After the blue roles were sniped the next target was Youngminii, who was the person trying the hardest to get Chaoser lynched the entire game. I propose that we lynch chaoser since he's pretty much next on my list. I know I was wrong about Infundibulum but we don't really have anyone better to lynch (unless you can come up with one), and chaoser was one of Zeks's leading suspects too. Here we have both Zeks and YM placing chaoser as a leading suspect. He was listed right below BC and SR on YM's hit list On July 25 2010 10:18 youngminii wrote: BC SouthRawrea Chaoser Infundibuxdlgxcubum Pandain (Claimed DT) Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him) Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town) Quote this every page. Thanks. Pandain a now confirmed townie urged for Chaoser early on On July 22 2010 06:03 Pandain wrote: Right now I believe the two viable decisions are either Chaoser or Darth. They are the two most likely canidates for actually being mafia. BB and Subversion are just new and people are jumping on them for really miniscule posts. The only one thing that could lead to one of them being mafia is Subversions deciding vote in favor of Hyperbola, however that is still unlikely because it is just as likely that 1)The Mafia didn't know of BM's miscount 2)He just voted at an unlucky time. So all those who are picking either BB or Subversion (especially BB) I urge you to change your vote and vote for either Darth of Chaoser. I would suggest Chaoser, just because I find him more likely to be mafia than DTA. To me, it still seems that Chaoser is just trying to get people lynched and DTA could be plannign something. Of course we should keep an eye on DTA, but let's not just lynch him and ruin anything he might be doing. I would urge you to vote Chaoser, but at the very least I humbly request all those not voting either DTA/Chaoser to unvote and pick one of them. We later have Chaoser pushing strongly for Pandain, renewing suspicions. On July 23 2010 13:13 Pandain wrote: If I die: My will: + Show Spoiler + My pet panda Pandet goes to Youngmini in honor of our secret friendship alliance. My secret lover Subversion will get all other belongings. Also, ebwop, "Also I'm getting highly suspicious of all this" I'm getting suscipious of chaoser just because he's just started being so flammatory and instigative. I mixed my thoughts. (3)Scummy Play + Show Spoiler + Let me start with YM's excellent early case on Chaoser: On July 24 2010 09:48 youngminii wrote: My case on Chaoser. + Show Spoiler + Let us delve into the mind of scum. The pattern for a normal, general scum that doesn't go out of his way to do anything out of the ordinary is quite simple. Lay low on the first day or two and slowly come out with accusations. Be very careful of jumping on bandwagons as it may arouse suspicion. Rather than openly coming out and making a case on someone on the first day/two, try to find someone that is making a fool of themselves and make a small case to see if it gains momentum. I think we can all agree that this is a standard way of playing as scum, keeps the suspicion low while still contributing information. Now let us look at chaoser's early game. One of his first posts is to abstain. This vote does not change for the entire day. Fits perfectly in line with my 'lay low' theory, especially (as the wonderful Pandain pointed out) as chaoser was so against my 'no lynch' strategy. One would have to wonder why he didn't simply vote for someone if he was so against it. He raises the counter argument that voting to abstain is different from voting to no lynch, which is a moot point in my opinion really. I think it's less about the days and more about the fact that we get tons of information from looking at vote lists Cool, chaoser wants information from voting lists on the first day. In fact, he even points this out to the public. So why does he not vote for anyone? Oh right, abstaining doesn't label you as 'against' someone. Good stuff in my opinion, I'd probably do it too if I was scum. So up until early Day 2, chaoser continues to bring in a wealth of information (such as the voting history of certain people etc.) but doesn't actually accuse anyone. All he does is make some accusatory comment that doesn't really have any flair to it. See below. chaoser to BB: So basically you just said: "lawl, i messed up/made a mistake but oh well, not going to change." Anyone else find that suspicious? So early on in Day 2, after a small group of people (Divinek, DTA and Amber[light]) already vote for BB, chaoser joins in and mounts a small case against BB. + Show Spoiler + And to be truthful, I don;t really believe that BrownBear is townie just from the way he's posting. For the first day he pretty much posts nothing and bandwagons with no real reason. When people point him out of it (that he voted before reading) he goes oh well, it doesn't matter now when it CLEARLY did, the vote ended 6-5. Then, after a whole DAY of people pointing fingers at him he decides to come in and post about vets claiming and basically giving horrible advice. I'm inclined to say he's mafia who fucked up the first day and now he's trying to play dumb townie. Also, his whole ramble about claiming is pushing us off the topic of Subversion's suspicious vote as well as his little statement about how mafia isn't really making mistakes. I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? After a page or two a LOT of people jump on the bandwagon. It's uncanny. Chaoser realises that if BB is lynched and he flips town then things will look bad for him, so he switches his vote to Subversion, another bandwagon being formed at the time. It's funny, after using that argument against BB he immediately switches to Subversion after seeing the possibility that he might be labeled as mafia (note: someone actually said that the '3rd/4th person on the bandwagon tends to be mafia' and could have affected chaoser's thoughts). The argument he uses against Subversion is one that has already gained traction from BC/Protractinium and so it's easy to ride with. Pandain then mounts an argument against chaoser, who responds by responding to each and every point. I believe they continue this argument via PM and sort it out there and Pandain drops his case on chaoser (I attribute this to Pandain being new to this game and not being very good at picking out lies/deceit etc.). Anyway, what does chaoser do now? Of course, he abstains. Oh, the joy of not really voting for anyone. A common trait of mafia is that they won't contribute too much in the accusations etc. early on. They will however, try and 'appear' to be useful by posting stuff that doesn't really cause them any risk in any way (ie. pointing at someone of being scum). They will often side with someone else or pick on a player that seems to be causing a ruckus which won't be seen as suspicious. In addition to this, scum will go to great lengths to defend themselves. Think about it (directed at newer players), if you are scum you are much more willing to come back to this thread and try to shake off any accusations against you. This is why RVS is quite helpful in smaller games. Often scum will 'lurk' meaning they'll browse around, read everything but won't post too much in order to stay under the radar. However, accusing them and voting for them will force them to come out and defend themselves profusely. We can see this in DTA, he was town and everyone started voting for him. He didn't reply in the thread for a looooooong time (I actually pointed this out but I was ignored /yay), indicating that he was in fact, not lurking but actually AWOL, which is a townie trait. Chaoser falls into the above mafia category. He immediately comes out of his 'useful/informative' shell and starts defending himself a LOT. His posts start becoming a lot of the 'discussion' going on. This continues for a long time, only defending himself and never accusing anyone asides from the occasional "your arguments are weak, why are you trying to get me lynched so bad? Are you scum?" type of argument. Now it's actually really painful to go through skimming page by page but the general trend I see right now is that a lot of people start jumping on the chaoser bandwagon. It's funny, he votes for DTA because he's getting a lot of votes for him. He then states: From reading this, I'll change my vote to Subversion even though that means I'll 100% die. Darth, if you wanna help me, you could switch it over too and I think he'll be first. ##unvote ##vote Subversion Look at this from a scum perspective. He knows DTA is town. He knows that if DTA is lynched then he'll get an even worse image than before. So what does he do? He tries to side with DTA to lynch someone else that already has a lot of people voting for him. This is actually a good play by mafia as he had already taken the side of voting for Subversion earlier so if questioned, he could retaliate by saying "I already had my suspicions on Subversion before!" + Show Spoiler + On an unrelated side note, I find it funny how people are so quick to link me to Subversion (tree.hugger especially) because I defended him a bit whilst nobody links me to DTA's town and Hyperbola's town when I actually gave them proper defenses. Quite ridiculous imo. Blah blah DTA ends up getting lynched (one of the final votes by chaoser, although it could be argued that he did it to save himself) and ends up flipping town. I know I've always been wary of chaoser but I'd like everyone to read my analysis of him. I'm not going to analyse Night 3 'cause that was just a big spam fest and lots of people probably have an ill image of me now. I'd just like you all to trust me for once (I was right on hyperbola/DTA even though it doesn't mean anything, yes I know) and vote for chaoser. I would also like to mention that I believe infundlibsuvxkum and chaoser are linked but that discussion can be saved for another time. Since then here has been his recent contributions: One-liner On July 29 2010 01:56 chaoser wrote: Original Message: why did sub only want to check them and not you? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: We were going to do test on both each day. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: why didn't you get amber in... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yeah sub made a direct claim to proct for w/e reason. = Than proctat told me. We were going to let youngmini in if he passed the test but then he revealed our plan ----------------------------------------- Original Message: you said that down below. Your DT checked amber...when did it become procat? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Nope. He checked youngmini and Amber. Both were green. Youngmini was suscipious though so we decided to lay out the test. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: did your DT check me? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: amber wasn't in the group. Procatorium or w/e was. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well fuck me, i'mma go read over the rest of his posts, is it just you and amber now? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yes -.- ----------------------------------------- Original Message: was he your dt? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Subversion was dead. ------------------------------------------------- On July 29 2010 01:56 chaoser wrote: my PMs with Pandain PM list helpful but no new content On July 29 2010 07:09 chaoser wrote: This really has become a spamfest huh complains about spam On July 29 2010 08:43 chaoser wrote: OH ME ME ME! spams This is followed by pandain's response: On July 29 2010 10:02 Pandain wrote: Probably because I was the one who first wrote against you, thus mafia probably doesn't want to accuse their own scum. I even went pretty in depth too. This excludes the BC and SR case of course. Also, @ divinek. Idk. Personaly I highly reccomend everyone who hasn't already rced to zeks to do so NOW. He has already proven hes safe by getting rid of SR and BC, the godfather. Please, don't be scared. Why would Chaoser be so worried if a known red flipping would clear him? Could he have known that even though he had flipped red he was the miller, and was worried that the reverse would hold up, he would be suspected when Pandain eventualy flipped miller? On July 29 2010 10:13 chaoser wrote: day's over right? oneline without content On July 29 2010 12:44 chaoser wrote: zeks DID say he wanted to blow a popsicle stand. again On July 29 2010 14:00 chaoser wrote: jesus... more On July 29 2010 14:01 chaoser wrote: goddamnit, lost our DT and medic. All we have left are vets... I think this might count as 2 lines but the second sentence didn't finish so lets make 1.5 On July 29 2010 14:19 chaoser wrote: why did sin protect xelin???? ... On July 29 2010 22:47 chaoser wrote: 1) Youngminii got it wrong, here's what happened: Sin protected Xelin for some reason and died. zeks only had one bomb on infun because he lied about having two bombs out to scare mafia. He actually did have two bombs on BC and South the night before they were lynched and by the time they died, he had only moved on off, losing a bomb. The mafia then hit bumatlarge and lakris. At least, that's my reading of it. 2) Pandain ;_; you got DT checked red, let it die man. You're going to get lynched regardless, try to help town find second lynch. 3) youngminii moved his vote off me ;_; I was going to make him post a video of him dancing to some song when I flipped green we actualy get more than one line this time, but line one is interpreting the night post and line 3 is joking with YM, only 2 has any content. It is pushing for Pandain's lynch who showed red, this is pretty much what everyone will do though mafia will love this since it is a guaranteed kill since they know he is miller now. On July 29 2010 22:48 chaoser wrote: ##Vote Pandain sorry buddy, you got checked red. You know I'd want you to vote me if I got checked red too. unfortunatly there are no DTs to verify this. On July 29 2010 23:03 chaoser wrote: 14/30 1. tree.hugger 2. brownbear 3. youngminii (sub said was green) 5. chaoser 6. divinek 11. rastaban (said BC claimed DT to him) 13. Amber[LighT] (sub said was green?) 15. pandain (Flipped Red) 16. ~OpZ~ 23. d3_crescentia (Got medic protected?) 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode (Vigi, said he hit BC) 29. protactinium What else is there? that's the condensed list. Player list, contributing without analysing, or pushing for suspects. On July 29 2010 23:09 chaoser wrote: From looking at nights, it seems like Vets didn't get hit. The only time that was even a possibility was during the night where only Sub died though I guess we've decided that he got double stacked which is highly suggestive that he got leaked or they somehow were very sure he was DT. So that means if we have two vets that's 11+2 v 3. If we kill one today it'll be 10+2 v 2 and then when mafia hit at night and if they don't hit vet it'll be 9+2 v 2. I say we have very good chances of winning. contributing more game observations but without analysing people, or pushing for suspects. On July 29 2010 23:26 chaoser wrote: From my PMs with tree.hugger early in the game, he led me to believe that he was in some sort of circle and that he was 100% sure that Sub and Young were mafia. Care to explain, tree? Now pushes for Tree.hugger, thankfully we are now getting content On July 29 2010 23:28 chaoser wrote: citi.zen misinformed us, as everyone saw. We judged citi.zen to be the one more likely to be mafia, but it was basically a gut call on that front. We assumed that both options would prove the same thing, and it was just a choice between two candidates. See my thread posts for my irritable summation. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: dude...wtf happened tonight? did your circle get misinformation or something? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I don't think we can muster the votes to get them today. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: do you have any info that I could use to help back up my little case a couple pages back or are you guys still not ready to move yet? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yes. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: are you still decently sure about subversion/youngminii? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: It confuses the hell out of me. I have about three explanations for it, and neither of them are particularly useful or likely. I mean, I know the mafia is trying to snipe blues, but they clearly suck at it, and the fact that nobody in the thread who was influential in any way was killed makes me suspicious. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well, you didn't die lol that's a good thing...right? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: He's an idiot. Doubt he's mafia, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't block out what he says. Listen at your peril. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: final message, what are you thoughts on pandain? is he trustable? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: luck has little to do with it. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: best of luck ----------------------------------------- Original Message: <--tree.hugger Haha, I'm probably dying tonight. I've come to terms with that and made appropriate arrangements. I don't thing Pandian's pm release will change anything. Another PM list On July 29 2010 23:29 chaoser wrote: er, BM, can I edit that into spoilers? On July 29 2010 23:30 chaoser wrote: ##Vote tree.hugger Until tree responds, I'm going to keep my vote on him On July 30 2010 06:37 chaoser wrote: wait, did we double lynch? three more filler posts, one line a piece On July 31 2010 02:15 chaoser wrote: It's not stupid, but it's a very dangerous type of play. You can have people like BC or such who can play pro-town ish and make great arguments and in the end sway people's votes away from him even if he is mafia. It's happened several times before in other games where someone will be flipped red, claim miller/insane DT and argue people away from lynching them when they were mafia. People can play anti-town/make bad calls and still be town but appear as mafia. People can play pro-town and still be mafia and appear as town. If you start playing the grey, it gets very very hard to tell if it's a town grey or a mafia grey. The best way, and most heavyhanded way, is to kill anyone who flips red. Makes sure that pandain gets voted for. Again, this isn't bad play since he was red, but mafia would be pushing heavily for him since that is one of the 2x lynches they don't have to worry about. On July 31 2010 13:46 chaoser wrote: I voted pan and tree. Kill me if you like, I'll only flip green and then youngminii has to do the run devil run dance for TL mafia =] He knows that YM had been tailing him the whole game On August 01 2010 09:44 chaoser wrote: I find it strange that pyrr still isn't dead yet even though he's a pretty big name...hmmmm would have been nice for chaoser to have posted some actual reasoning behind why we should suspect pyrr. On August 01 2010 13:47 chaoser wrote: 2. brownbear 5. chaoser 6. divinek 11. rastaban (said BC claimed DT to him) 16. ~OpZ~ 23. d3_crescentia (Got medic protected?) 24. Misder 26. Pyrrholuxia 27. Tricode (Vigi, said he hit BC) 29. protactinium Another player list On August 02 2010 05:42 chaoser wrote: Sorry I haven't been posting/active in this thread for the last day, Got an interview with UPenn tomorrow for medical school so I've been prepping. Should be back by 3 in the afternoon tomorrow so I'll write up something big then. I am intrested to see what we will get when he returns, I just hope it isn't another one liner or pm/vote list. Chaoser, I haven't played with you before so I don't know your meta, maybe this is your style, but it just seems so conducive to remaining hidden as mafia. I don't know that you are red but you have been playing very suspiciously this entire game and I would like some answers. I would like to hear why you have voted as you have, and why you have seemingly not been contributing to the actual discussion lately. 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On August 03 2010 10:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I am loathe to switch my vote so late because I can't say with any certainty that chaoser is innocent and I don't want to save a red at this point. My number one target is Misder. My number two target at this point is OpZ. I don't like how he's begging for scrutiny to come upon him. From a town point of view, it seems to me that you wouldn't want to bring suspicion upon the one person you know is town when things are getting down to the wire. It's distracting and it seems like a red who has been under the radar all game bragging and trying to solidify his towniness. Number 3 I'd guess is whoever blew open the town circle. I'm guessing one of these "confirmed" townies that isn't actually confirmed. I'd guess BrownBear or rastaban. Someone earlier said BrownBear had never been in a circle, I just assumed he had been since he seemed to be close to Pandain and youngminii (trusted Pandain enough to think him miller). That trust does scummy in retrospect. Rastaban did strike me as a nooby tooled by BC, but some people were writing him in as confirmed or semi-confirmed and perhaps he got some info that way. So if chaoser is mafia, then either OpZ is innocent or maybe mafia got insanely lucky with blue sniping. Or something really weird where one of our claiming blues is actually red and the real blue has stuidply remained silent. We may as well ignore that notion at this point. ...I'm just saying...Holy fuck...I'm thinking the scum are the inactive jerks at this point. Seriously, I would pick the most scum appearing townie, AND BLAST HIM. It's probably me. I'm innocent. Go look me up past games. I'm literally shocked I've not gotten decently accused all game. Sorry for pointing out that I would of found myself shockingly scummy. Rastaban is in no way confirmed to me. Read my posts with the vote counts. I argue EVERYONE. And Pyrr, I've stated I have the perfect defense for anyone coming at me saying I'm mafia. Now...I'm wont mind BrownBear or Chaoser being lynched. They were both almost lynched before...Anyone almost lynched thats still alive is extremely suspicious to me. | ||
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