TL Mafia XXVIII - Page 135

From: Subversion [ 799 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: citi.zen's plan.
Date: 7/24/10 19:51
just feel like im losing control of the situation here. he's a bit impulsive, and i'd rather make the decisions myself than have to keep going thru him. also may seem suspicious later on.

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It was kind of weird that he did so... on his own as well. That could have potentially owned you if you had done so at the same time...

If you are going to do so, at least wait the time period okay? We might still have a counter-claim. If I were citi.zen and red, trading one red is worth getting two Detectives, since then the town has no way to find Mafia, right? Even so, I think it's too risky. What's wrong with using Pandain anyway, beyond the "convolution" factor.
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What do you think of it?

There are a few holes...

Not bad at all.

Some things I need to explain.

I checked young and he was townie. But the problem is him ORR amber COULD be GF. So pandain and I had this plan. pandain pm'd young and told him HE was the DT and had checked him. now we wait and see if pandain dies next, then we know young is scum.

But now with citizen's plan, pandain has PM'd citizen saying he is the DT. He did this without waiting for a response from me, he's a bit of a loose cannon like that, keeps making decisions without my approval.

anyway, i told him now that we need to tell citizen and the other DT that I am in fact the real DT, or else it gets way too convoluted, and obviously explain the plan about young.

this may be risky, but he keeps taking decisions into his own hands now, and i dont like that. I don't want to have to do everything through him anymore.

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: O GOD IM SORRY
Date: 7/25/10 13:59

I'll try
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An excellent one. I would definitely recommend it!

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was that a good movie

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And I quote from the movie Inception:
"Will you take a leap of faith?"

You've got your chance.

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trust me this time

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...Pandain, you do realize that if there is Mafia in the other circle you effectively just killed both DTs if the suicide bomber decides he wants his 72 virgins.

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dt is prob going to check sub.
We should not let sub know anything though.
Act if normal, try to get him to check misder/lakris.

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Sigh, why do you do these things.
It's okay, have Subversion check him tonight to verify him.
Though why did you give the name up without confirmation?
If Subversion dies tonight, then we know something's up...

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I told zeks whos in our circle along with dt.

I'm afraid I fadoodled this up.

So I either gave us a chance, or fadoodled us up

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Just keep your cool, and don't out Subversion. He seems to have gone AWOL, but I'll talk to him when he gets around to the night.

As for the check, I'm not sure still.
Be back later.

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Youngmini revealed me. What a badunkadunk

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Alright, but don't give into him either. Just keep it in case he decides to try to out you. Besides, we have the trump card that you are not really the DT, and he is safe either way.

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Im not going to post the pm chain yet. Especially at this time. we'll talk about it together later.

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He thinks. Still, what kind of threat is that...
Anti-town behavior, no matter what he "thinks."

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No he knows(thinks) I false claimed.
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What's wrong with this kid. He thinks you're DT and is pressuring you to reveal that you are DT, and that you'll be killed during the night? Post the whole PM chain. This is ridiculous. If you were DT and listened, and they killed SouthRawrea who is Hatter, it's good for them. If you don't, he "reveals" to Mafia who the DT is, and they kill him. BAD for town either way.

Post the PM chain. I will be back after deadline; guests are beckoning. Good luck.

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I told him youngmini was safe, part of my dt role. And that is the PM. From "Anyway yeah..." to "In this claim."

I respond:"Haha I'm the DT.
I think you have too much trust in citizen and his "DT."
I mean, now that I think about it, why would citizen risk the whole town on a plan that could potentially give this unconfirmed DT all the info mafia needed. "


To which he then responds.
"Okay then, you better hope you're right. If you're red, the best way to go about this is to lynch SouthRawr because I'll be revealing you tonight (before mafia get their night kills by the way, so that's not a way out).

If you're DT and citi.zen really is red, then we're all dandy. But if you're DT and citi.zen is not red (I don't see why this would happen), you're still going to be revealed tonight."

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Post that PM you got from him. I don't understand; even if he's going to throw you under the bus why is he implicating Amber[LighT]? Something's not right with youngminii--for the better part of the day he's been saying "lynch southrawrea since if he's bomber he'll have bomb on chaoser" but he's also saying that southrawrea is red. I got a two minute reprieve, and haven't read thread, but this is a bad threat to make.

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Anyway yeah I'm telling you right now to vote for SouthRawr (and tell amber[light] to). If you don't, I am going to publicly tell everyone who you are at night and that you false claimed DT (assuming citi.zen is green/blue).

Yes, this is a threat. Yes, I will tell everyone that you are claiming DT. Yes, I will include amber[light] in this claim.



THAT is from Youngmini. Dont know how he figured out. Hope you've been following thread, theres been so much happening.

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: URGENT URGENT URGENT
Date: 7/25/10 09:19

yeah, if he tries to i'll just be like "Im not dt"
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Alright, but don't give into him either. Just keep it in case he decides to try to out you. Besides, we have the trump card that you are not really the DT, and he is safe either way.

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Im not going to post the pm chain yet. Especially at this time. we'll talk about it together later.

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He thinks. Still, what kind of threat is that...
Anti-town behavior, no matter what he "thinks."

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No he knows(thinks) I false claimed.
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What's wrong with this kid. He thinks you're DT and is pressuring you to reveal that you are DT, and that you'll be killed during the night? Post the whole PM chain. This is ridiculous. If you were DT and listened, and they killed SouthRawrea who is Hatter, it's good for them. If you don't, he "reveals" to Mafia who the DT is, and they kill him. BAD for town either way.

Post the PM chain. I will be back after deadline; guests are beckoning. Good luck.

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I told him youngmini was safe, part of my dt role. And that is the PM. From "Anyway yeah..." to "In this claim."

I respond:"Haha I'm the DT.
I think you have too much trust in citizen and his "DT."
I mean, now that I think about it, why would citizen risk the whole town on a plan that could potentially give this unconfirmed DT all the info mafia needed. "


To which he then responds.
"Okay then, you better hope you're right. If you're red, the best way to go about this is to lynch SouthRawr because I'll be revealing you tonight (before mafia get their night kills by the way, so that's not a way out).

If you're DT and citi.zen really is red, then we're all dandy. But if you're DT and citi.zen is not red (I don't see why this would happen), you're still going to be revealed tonight."

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Post that PM you got from him. I don't understand; even if he's going to throw you under the bus why is he implicating Amber[LighT]? Something's not right with youngminii--for the better part of the day he's been saying "lynch southrawrea since if he's bomber he'll have bomb on chaoser" but he's also saying that southrawrea is red. I got a two minute reprieve, and haven't read thread, but this is a bad threat to make.

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Anyway yeah I'm telling you right now to vote for SouthRawr (and tell amber[light] to). If you don't, I am going to publicly tell everyone who you are at night and that you false claimed DT (assuming citi.zen is green/blue).

Yes, this is a threat. Yes, I will tell everyone that you are claiming DT. Yes, I will include amber[light] in this claim.



THAT is from Youngmini. Dont know how he figured out. Hope you've been following thread, theres been so much happening.

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: What...the...Fadoodle
Date: 7/25/10 07:30
This is Pm between me and zeks
Mesends video of "somebody watching me"
Him:If you are what I think you are you're on a path of being LVP.

*word slip*



Me:Least valuable player?

hehe

Him:You better not be DT.

If you are its obvious you haven't checked me. Or you'd understand everything.

ME:Way to make everything so mysterious

Him: Hope you got that



Now here I am saying...
What the fadoodle?

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Also:
Date: 7/25/10 06:59
I'm voting for Citizen now.

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Consolidating. This is true; I don't think Mafia would jump out to help their leader unless he was in deep shit. Maybe citi.zen isn't there and they're all panicking now?

If citi.zen is Hatter and dies, then he'll get Mafia. We'll get information from that since right now we all seem to be evenly divided, so we can go pick up supporters. And if SouthRawrea is Mafia as well, we definitely destroy him tomorrow with our double lynch. That's a guarantee right there of getting one Mafia right? And we should be able to get more based on DT checks. One thing I just thought of is if citi.zen is Mafia and we don't kill him, we are risking our DTs tonight, and if one of them dies then it's bad for us.

I think they're being convinced themselves... no reason overextending at this point. I'm going to wait for citi.zen to defend though before becoming too biased. American justice is supposed to be impartial, right, and the defendant should always be allowed to speak.

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True.At the same time, will that negate his plan? It had holes anyway but it had potential

Don't forget in that plan it's possible we'll only get one mafia if a mafia fake claims DT to a "trusted rep"

Do you want to try to convince the others yet? Get tree hugger to help for more momentum?

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I trust him. Besides, at this point both are potential Hatters right? citi.zen will have both his bombs placed, and SouthRawrea only has one. citi.zen, being astute (if he really is hatter) will have bombs on at least one Mafia, while SouthRawrea being new is more likely to kill town. I think it's actually win-win for us if we lynch citi.zen: we'll probably off a Mafia, and if citi.zen is Mafia then we can control SouthRawrea's bombs to make them more useful, then have him lynched next day once he gets both.

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Citizen has been far more active and contributive than south. And yeah, chaoser and young are probably not on the same team lol, they hate each other too much. Than replace young with sinquity. Hehe.

South does seem more genuine, that is for sure. Just for that, maybe I should trust him. He's SO believable. Maybe he's good actor? though he is new


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Will respond to all here.
Your list seems sound; I don't know about Subversion though since I still believe him. If he's faking we'll know.
Notice that bumatlarge jumped out to defend citi.zen early but then disappeared again? zeks is also randomly suspicious, I agree he might be Mafia. Good call on that earlier by the way. I would totally have ignored him. youngminii is pushing very hard for Chaoser... you still believe them both to be Mafia? Of course, it could be a ploy.

I'd rather save SouthRawrea. He has been active and has provided his defense, and seems more genuine. citi.zen hasn't even shown his face since attacking SouthRawrea's counterclaim. Instead, there's a slew of random people defending him... and why?

zeks could be Mafia, and if we catch citi.zen we catch him.
I'm still very confused about all this though; not 100% on anything. Mafia is too perplexing, sometimes.

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Also: If we want to save south we need to act now.
Lynching south does give us info though. Alot of info. Do you think it would be worth it just to lynch him for that?

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: URGENT URGENT URGENT
Date: 7/25/10 08:57

Anyway yeah I'm telling you right now to vote for SouthRawr (and tell amber[light] to). If you don't, I am going to publicly tell everyone who you are at night and that you false claimed DT (assuming citi.zen is green/blue).

Yes, this is a threat. Yes, I will tell everyone that you are claiming DT. Yes, I will include amber[light] in this claim.



THAT is from Youngmini. Dont know how he figured out. Hope you've been following thread, theres been so much happening.

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Citizens' plan
Date: 7/25/10 06:32
arghhhhh zeks is mafia. I know it!

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On July 24 2010 14:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 24 2010 14:25 Divinek wrote:
On July 24 2010 14:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 24 2010 14:13 youngminii wrote:
What's suspicious is that you're trying to block this from happening. Not pointing fingers but it's quite obvious that this is a pretty solid plan with minimal chances of being infiltrated by scum, even then it will be obvious as the game progresses if he's lying or not.


From blocking it? I actually contest many claims in many games that are completely out of left field. No one agreed to claiming to someone who thought d3 was almost fully legit, yet your agreeing to claim to someone who has appeared out as the last KP role? as well as saying "sup im the medic spokesmen, got myself a circle already" etc...

Its too good to be true this early.


But surely if he's coming out as the last kp role it would have to be contested if he's lying? Though I could think of some reasons why the remaining kp person might not want to counter claim him it seems like it would be worth it to bust a fake circle of trust


Say for instance He is lying.

It means two dts (if not in contact with eachother) pm him themselves, or through a mouth, those mouths are then talking to him. He can put them in contact with eachother, they see it as semi legit, then a period goes by they all mass claim him (as he asked for blue roles) he then proceeds to blue snipe, where it costs the rest only one red, to off 2+ blues.

WE also don't know if the last KP role is a hatter or a vig. If its a vig, he counterclaims and then it comes down to a war of which of them gets lynched. People fearing that he is in fact a hatter, off the vig see his flip and go oh shit. Conversely the mafia could send someone up and do the same thing.

I believe the proper amendmant to citi.zens plan is if HE is not the center of said circle. Or be lynched to prove the legitmacy of his claim. He can put the other checked person his dt has checked with the the other dt's liason and by dying confirms his claim DT's can then claim straight through the liasons, and one of those liasons can take part of town leadership and pass roles to dts. There would be two people to counterclaim if someone tried to jump up and take info, and would be alot more reliable than trusting one persons word.

The only issue with that plan is if he is infact hatter then the town would have lost its last kp role and hope that his current bomb placement takes reds out.


Look, again, Tricode is not 100% confirmed. We have three conflicting blue claims, and it's just as possible as the others faking for Tricode to be faking, meaning him and BloodyC0bbler are in conjunction. Why else would he say to keep BloodyC0bbler alive as long as possible when he shot him? The point is, you don't mass claim unless you are certain, since it's a lose-all strategy if he isn't genuine. I'm not saying I don't believe he is, but being skeptical wins you Mafia games.
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1. What exactly was the addendum bc offered?
2. How should we adjust it to make it as useful to town as possible.

I personally think we SHOULD roleclaim to tricode. I think he's confirmed. I'm sure of it. Citizen only claimed because "he saw an opportunity" (if he's really blue" and south only claimed because "he saw it getting way out of control."
quotes doesn't indicate what they word for word said, just what their overall message said.

Tricode is the real genuine one. He has a reason(must...kill...bc) and claimed only after arguing whether it was worth it. Seems honest to me.

I'm still confused why you wouldn't want to roleclaim to him.

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: My conspiracy theory
Date: 7/25/10 06:09
In tree huggers post, is he saying that subversion, young, and citizen are all mafia? or town? 'Or what.



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Yeah, he's definitely new to this, you can tell. Chat Mafia is a lot different and it's easy to be overwhelmed. Telling where the bomb was placed was probably not a good idea, but now that it's out we need parity from citi.zen. It really is starting to bother me.
citi.zen has not address BloodyC0bbler's main points (the addendum that makes the plan a lot stronger), Infundibulum's critiques (no response), and he hops on SouthRawrea instantly but disappears after the post. All in all, it's not inspiring confidence in me.

Furthermore, I have a PM from tree.hugger myself. Received it a while ago, but I believe tree.hugger has a circle himself.
From: tree.hugger [ 3260 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: youngminii...
Date: 7/22/10 13:42
Subversion, youngminii, citi.zen, BC(probably), lakrismamma(possibly), and.... we'll say... Siniquity.

The first five are on the same team. Watch for it, and read about it on day one. They have cute little fake arguments, and then citizen and BC throw away their votes, and the others mix it up a little bit. Dunno about siniquity. I'm... 30% sure about the whole bunch, and about 90% sure of the first three.

I'm going to be voting citi.zen if he doesn't attend to these points in a timely fashion. There's no logical sense in proclaiming a town plan with himself as the absolute head if he isn't around to argue for it.

Going to respond to your other PM here as well, to consolidate. Experience makes you seem pro-town. SouthRawrea may be Mafia, but he plays from a genuinely new perspective, while citi.zen has been both town and Mafia enough times. Conclusively, just because somebody seems pro-town doesn't mean they are.
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I found some holes in south rawrea's plan's such as revealing who the bombs are on. Maybe a newb mistake but idk. The last post by him seems pretty genuine though.
Youngmini's saying we should lynch on information. Based on that, lynching BC might sound like an even better option but at the same time I wouldn't want to lose a townie.

I want to vote zeks but that's never going to fly. Not even sure about him either.

This game is so hard rofl.

In truth, I would want to vote....citizen.
I need more info tbh.

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Check SouthRawrea's last post. It would be nice to know who the bombs are on, right? citi.zen is definitely more dangerous/experienced than SouthRawrea, and if he is truly the Hatter then his bombs should at least be on one Mafia. I agreed with citi.zen's plan initially but now that Infundibulum has found so many holes that citi.zen refuses to respond to, I'm leaning more toward citi.zen. Not sure yet, which is why I will hold my vote. What about you?

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arghhh.... who to pick. It's either citizen or south, that much I know.

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He could, but with two claims (and we don't even know about the outside) he could just be fishing for DTs.

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Haha I have no idea why I sent that or what it means.
Maybe I was asking if you thought Citizen really does have a detective in his knowlege.

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What do you mean? What's a Mafia thing?

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Do you think Citizen doesn't really have a mafia thing?

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Also: What should Subversion check tonight?
Date: 7/25/10 05:27
You can? How exactly does DT work. I thought you check and recieve it once night starts.

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You can choose any time during the night?

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kk. I think we only have like 4 hours so...

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Let's think about that more so when the day is nearing an end. Tricode is fine, but how do we confirm the Detective (Subversion) who checks Tricode? Also if Tricode is really legitimate but Subversion is faking, he can just say Tricode was lying, and if BloodyC0bbler and Tricode aren't Mafia, then that offs two very strong town players.

We should think about this check later tonight.

Be back in 10 minutes.

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I'm thinking Tricode. If we get him confirmed as vigi, then we can keep doing citi's plan and since he's safe, people can mass roleclaim to him

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: FAAACK
Date: 7/25/10 00:10
2 claims for DT. I'm going to be up in the spotlight.

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: What do you think of
Date: 7/25/10 05:01
Whole post here. Top of the page is the most recent PM to him. I'm the first post at the bottom.

Well, there is no counter-claim to me. Him, I have no clue. 50% chance he is the "fake" Dt rep. You are stranger and stranger with every message.

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T_T
caught again.
Honestly not sure how to respond just because you and him might be mafia. But then again, all this ever did was plan to see if youngmini was GF. Let's just say that youngmini doesn't know who the real DT is.

faaack word slip..

Of course if you and him are both mafia that plan goes to null :/.

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<--- confused about that sentence.
"he only said he as the dt rep."


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Interesting, he only said he as the DT rep.

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Nah I'm just part of a trust circle. Youngmini's.

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Just to be clear: you are saying you are a DT?

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The people who claimed dt.

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Who is "us"?

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Heh doesn't matter. It was in regards to something else. Yeah, one of us is mafia. My previous thing doesn't mean anything.

But damn, I knew it was a good plan but this far?

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Just happened. The mafia is digging themselves deeper.

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If a triple claim happens PM me first. I'm going to remain purposely vague.

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: What do you think of
Date: 7/25/10 03:29
What do you think of tricode getting everyone to roleclaim to him via pms. I mean, he is confirmed townie.

From: Pandain [ 682 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: ONO WHAT DO I DO
Date: 7/24/10 13:26
Well no it just means one of them is mafia.

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Hmm, well you know that's not true. If the Mafia wanted to off citi.zen and a Mafia member counter-claimed that basically gets citi.zen lynched for nothing during the day, right?

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If the other vigi/mad hatter counter claims than cit.zen is mafia. Also, I had something to say in this sentence but I forgot it after Also. T_T
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It's not that I don't trust the plan--it's that I don't trust the timing of the plan. It seems very conveniently placed, but that may just be me. His posts have contributed, but they're mostly just correcting other people's mistakes. I guess that's contribution, but it's really easy to pass off not much as a lot more.

Wait a minute, I must have interpreted. Where does it say he will get himself lynched?

If that's the case then it's definitely more trust-worthy. Mafia would have to be highly intrepid to do this, but as it's been pointed out a lot we are not in a good situation right now. If this plan is genuine, then we are in a good spot. If not, then the game is over. Seems like a huge risk to take doesn't it?

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You don't trust cit.zen? He has a solid plan. If he's a blue he'd probably have wanted to lay low a bit, and his posts have all been contributive. Finally, his plan even inlcudes a way for HIM to get lynched/pointed out as mafia.
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Eh, I think the better thing to have done was to wait for Subversion to make a decision himself. It's his role and he has to play it. We should be okay this time thanks to Subversion actually not being around, but we might not get lucky next time. Let me know everything that's said okay? I don't trust youngminii, and I don't trust citi.zen and his "Detective" since citi.zen hasn't done anything for us all game.

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Your probably right. I was just scared cause I had to either reveal to youngmini about Subversion or let youngmini pm cit.zen.
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Ugh, not a good idea to act on your own, especially if Subversion had PMed.

We can work with what we have; a name is important. When I said cross-check, I meant I would go through the thread and see how said other "Detective" and citi.zen had interacted, and how Detective had interacted with town in general.

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Subversion I got scared about. I think he's afk but at first I sent him a message saying

"cit.zen's plan sounds like a good one. I think you should pm him. Just because we can keep the previous plan the same so if I do you can also bust Youngmini."

But he didn't respond. 6 minutes later I told him what I did. So I was unsure whether he pmed citi/zen first. I hope not, and don't htink so.

Unfortunately, just in case so then cit.zens plan wouldn't be screwed I had to PM cit.zen saying that "If a triple claim happens, pm me first. I'm going to remain purposely vague."

Tried to handle the situation best I could. :/

Also, what do you mean "cross check how the two have intereacted." which two.

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Ah, I see. Hmm...
If citi.zen's got a false DT lined up, let's figure out who he is. Let me know the name, alright? I want to cross-check to see how the two have interacted.

And yeah, I won't tell youngminii. As far as I'm concerned he's still dangerous to the town with his constant urge to point fingers.

Does Subversion know you did this?

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No all Citizen should know is that IM Dt. Therefore, Subversion is still completely safe. Youngmini still thinks I'm dt. And I'm relaying all information to you and subversion.

I didn't tell Youngmini Subversion was DT just in case he IS GF.
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Ah okay...
Not a good idea still, but keep me in the loop alright?
Subversion didn't trust youngminii because he could be Godfather... Remember the way he was posting Day 1 (and 2... and even today...)? It's the type of posting that's begging for a check.

Still not good for us if citi.zen is faking, since he completely destroys a Detective and his circle if that happens...

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That was youngmini who pmed me. I told him I was dt, remember?

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Wait, I'm confused. citi.zen false claiming is a huge gambit, but Mafia are pretty comfortably ahead. Claiming Hatter is nice as well--he won't die during the night (Mafia is afraid of bombs) and that way it doesn't look suspicious if he looks during the day. Furthermore, his claim came in the middle of waiting for BloodyC0bbler to make his post, and right after citi.zen himself had some pressure on him. Timing doesn't seem right.

Is Subversion saying for you not to PM? I'm a bit confused by the end message.

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Him:
The idea is that we don't want the actual DT to needlessly PM at first. If citi.zen is false claiming/the DT that checked citi.zen is false claiming then were screwed if you PM. If someone in your group PMs then it's a lot safer.

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Oh dw I'll do it.

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Original MessageYoungmini)
Yo I'm gonna go ahead and contact citi.zen about the whole DT claim thing (read his post). I'll wait until you reply before doing it.

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fuck now what?