EPTTL Mafia XXVIII - Page 97
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On July 25 2010 03:52 SouthRawrea wrote: So far I've been trying to slip under the radar so I don't get lynched early on or killed at night. I've actually only placed one bomb thus far as I was a little hesitant to kill place two people at risk even if I suspect them. My only one at the moment is on chaoser but that was placed yesterday after seeing that he didn't get lynched. I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/ ## Vote Citizen for now A challenger approaches? Citizen care to comment? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On July 25 2010 03:47 SouthRawrea wrote: Sorry I'm back, I slept in today. This has caught my eye though because I have no choice but to counter claim Citi.zen here as if I claim later, I will become less and less believable which is not really good to the town assuming that one of us is the mafia which is most likely. Again, sorry for not being on early enough to respond to his claim. It should be fine as long as the DTs have not yet claimed to Citi.zen. Of course you "have no choice". You guys already gambled everything at this point and this is your last chance. Now, you say you "slept in". I had no way of knowing that and no motive to gamble that you would be AFK. As I've said before, I was under no pressure what-so-ever when I claimed. You also say this: On July 25 2010 03:52 SouthRawrea wrote: So far I've been trying to slip under the radar so I don't get lynched early on or killed at night. I've actually only placed one bomb thus far as I was a little hesitant to kill place two people at risk even if I suspect them. My only one at the moment is on chaoser but that was placed yesterday after seeing that he didn't get lynched. I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/ ## Vote Citizen for now Why "for now?" If you are the hatter (which I konw you aren't), you would 100% vote for me since you would 100% know I am lying. Yet you say "for now". Perhaps the mafia should have chosen a stronger player to do their counter-claim... but what do I know. Lynching Southrawarea will confirm my claim once and for all... The mafia already gave up many names in the past 24h, so the town is in a better position. My DT has a lot of information, whatever happens to me. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
unvote ##vote SouthRawarea | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
AKA: I cannot get killed the second after we lynch South. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
##vote Southrawarea I think this is like my 5th vote change, sorry BM  and sorry south, its for the great good you dirty mafiaso. | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On July 25 2010 03:52 SouthRawrea wrote: I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/ 1)This sentence confuses me. If you felt threatened, why would you abstian. I'm positive I'm just slow and you have a good reason but just in case can you clarify? | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
I need to think about this. I'm actually not sure if the correct play is to lynch South here. | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:16 bumatlarge wrote: ##Unvote bloodyc0bbler ##vote Southrawarea I think this is like my 5th vote change, sorry BM and sorry south, its for the great good you dirty mafiaso. Don't do this. This is bad(I think)*. Always support why you are voting him. It's stuff like this that it just leads to bandwagons after one seemingly good post attacking a player. Wait to make your decision, or at least give reasons. Not saying your neccesarily wrong, but I'd just want to encourage the above type of posting. *gosh I hate being a first time player | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Well the excrement has hit the air conditioning. I need to think about this. I'm actually not sure if the correct play is to lynch South here. If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:27 chaoser wrote: If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility. Furthermore if Citi.zen is Infested Terran, the sac is worth it. He's a strong player who could argue for the other person to get lynched first if there's a counter-claim, hopefully get the DT circles before then, and then go out with a bang the next night. On the other hand, if Southrawrea is Mafia, then the reason Mafia could've sent out a "weak" player is that he's the only one that hasn't replied since Citi.zen claimed. I did my list from Tricode, I'd have to make another since Citi.zen claimed. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:27 chaoser wrote: If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility. yeah thats true. still, let's say south is telling the truth. we lynch him and you and he go boom boom. your role flip, which gives us so,e insight into the proceedings of Day 2. so it goes to night, mafia get 2 more kills for a potential of 4 kills in 1 cycle and then we have a double lynch tomorrow where we pretty much have to hit 2 mafia correctly (though citizen would account for 1) On the other hand, say South is false claiming and is red. We lynch him today and citizen is pretty much confirmed, and we move on to the scenarios detailed in my larger post a page or so back, but on the whole we're looking pretty good. what we need to consider are the motives behind each claim of Citizen and SouthRawrea. How would these motives change depending on the alignment of each player? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On July 24 2010 20:19 lakrismamma wrote: I love mafia! You wake up in the morning and so much has changed. Did you read my post about claiming citi =) I think that if no one claims mad hatter or vigi then tricode and citi.zen are pretty much in the clear. I dont think you should blueclaim to him but he will act as a link between the two detectives. If it is as he say and he has a circle with one of the detectives then the other will have one of his checked ones PM citi. Then citi will provide the name of the DT he is contact for. The DT gets checked during the night and then we have a big towncircle with a spokesman. If 2 people claims to be contacts for the DT then its more complicated but then I guess citi.zens DT have to weed out the claims. I think BC is being very suspicious in not not coming with any ideas except delaying the claims. I find it weird as well that he dident include Misder in his little investigation. Misder is one of the scummyest people in the game I think. For now though since we could not abstain too much according to BM. ##vote doublelynch ## vote abstain Thanks for appearing after I went to sleep, its nice to know I get to wake up to stuff like this. Now, if you read the bolded text you can easily see a mistake in your reasoning. In the case of multiple DT mouths talking to citizen, rather than him clear his legimacy, your having him instant 100% cleared and his dt clears the others....If he is red, you just handed him the entire dt list, good job. Best plan so far. IF he is legit, we have no way of proving this. Regardless, your plan requires 100% trust pretty well in him. As for why I haven't analyzed misder? So what? I opted to snag people I saw obviously coasting/acting scummy. You know, rather than fingering me for who I didn't analyze, maybe you should spend time analyzing said person. Hell if you think you believe they are scum, maybe you should give a reason why other than "I think" Trying to put suspicion on me for who I didn't analyze is like saying "You contributed, but because your scum list and mine don't overlap 100% you must be red" instead of contributing yourself. On July 24 2010 20:51 citi.zen wrote: First off, I am not asking anyone to take my word. I explained this already: I am putting myself out there with this claim. If I am red there is another town kp role who can point me out. As I said, you need to sacrifice a red to at least create some confusion. Are you willing to? Second, I have no problem dying to prove my innocence. It's an odd plan though, since if I am red the damage is already done after I have the dt names: the rest of the mafia team know them. So your "plan" does nothing in fact, even if I am red. So you're wrong on both counts. At this point I don't get why people can't see how obviously red you are. I say we lynch BloodyC0bbler for confirmation. If the other dt wants they can wait until your flip to talk to me. That is how sure I am you are red. Again your wrong. All you would be doing is handing the other checked person off down to the voice who contacts you. ALL you have at this point is a thread to the dts. IF you flip town, the job can still be carried out, if you flip red, a red just got bagged. There would be 0 roleclaiming or anything until you flipped. So no, stop trying to alter my wording to your advantage, you know just as well as I do that what you just said is complete bull. Hell you have also said elsewhere that you specifically said On July 25 2010 01:41 citi.zen wrote: Two things: if you trust me, you trust me DT. I got checked night 1 and personally chose night 2's check target. No way for the two of them to "play me". Second, multiple claims are fine. The mafia will give up 2 people. At night we investigate one of the competing groups. We get two reds either way. Clear? IE the second cleared person should be fully trusted by you and could easily handle the job in your place. No, instead you have pushed a plan that had holes, and rather than trying to fix them you opted to lynch the first person to openly disagree with you. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:27 chaoser wrote: If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility. It does give information, but depending on who citizens bombs are on could give more information. Although the less amount of people dying is advantageous. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:40 SiNiquity wrote: Furthermore if Citi.zen is Infested Terran, the sac is worth it. He's a strong player who could argue for the other person to get lynched first if there's a counter-claim, hopefully get the DT circles before then, and then go out with a bang the next night. On the other hand, if Southrawrea is Mafia, then the reason Mafia could've sent out a "weak" player is that he's the only one that hasn't replied since Citi.zen claimed. I did my list from Tricode, I'd have to make another since Citi.zen claimed. That's not true and you can't base any analysis on this hunch... | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] + Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Subversion Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Infundibulum Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode SouthRawrea chaoser protactinium zeks DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger ketomai (2) citi.zen lakrismamma Amber[Light] (1) BloodyCobbler (2) OpZ LaXerCannon (1) Misder Citi.zen (1) rastaban SiNiquity (1) Pandain (1) BloodyCobbler Infundibulum (1) youngminii + Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] + Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks Subversion LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain chaoser (8) youngminii SouthRawrea misder citi.zen BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity Subversion (7) tree.hugger bumatlarge Amber[Light] Infundibulum d3_crescentia Amber[Light] (1) Bloody Cobbler Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:52 Amber[LighT] wrote: That's not true and you can't base any analysis on this hunch... It was a hypothetical based an another unverified hypothesis (the sentence after the one you bolded). You could have just as easily have said "that's not true, as I haven't posted since citi.zen claimed" and been productive about it. But thanks for pointing it out nonetheless. | ||
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citi.zen
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