EPTTL Mafia XXVIII - Page 95
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
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lakrismamma
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I'd request people don't vote for me simply because I know this won't benefit the town, but I can understand if I'm a target due to suspicion or simply inactivity. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On July 24 2010 22:52 XeliN wrote: I'm going to ##vote SouthRawrea and DoubleLynch for now. I've barely had time to skim over this thread having been away from home and have to go out now as well. I'd request people don't vote for me simply because I know this won't benefit the town, but I can understand if I'm a target due to suspicion or simply inactivity. Right. Please just choose between me and BC. No reason not to - this is where the town gets a break. One way or another: -) | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On July 24 2010 22:27 lakrismamma wrote: Sounds good to me.If BC doesn't flip red then citi.zen is next on the chopping block and we have got one mafia either way. So what happens if cit.zen is killed first? Medic you say? What about a suicide bomber? j I for one would think the mafia would be desperate enough to do that. I say we go for the plan now | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
*sigh* Yet another theory gone to waste. | ||
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citi.zen
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On July 24 2010 19:05 Bill Murray wrote: I would only end the day if the majority voted for no lynch (different than abstaining), or a player. Good policy. I guess you could pass double lynch early if enough people vote for it, but it doesn't make sense to end the lynch vote early just because a lot of people wish to double lynch. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 24 2010 21:58 citi.zen wrote: BC is telling us here that the DTs should not coordinate with each other because there is a chance of a slip-up. Again, he is acting as red as can be, using his credibility to try to spread misinformation. Vote for him in today's lynch and don't tell me the Dt names until you see BC flip GF. Easy win after that. no, he actually has a really good point - that people screw up all the time. i can't tell you how many games i've been in where the dt's manage to start a blue circle, include one too any idiots and get the role info leaked to the mafia = dead blues; or inadvertently let the mafia directly into the PM circle = dead blues your plan is solid but not error proof nor fool proof, and we can't pretend like it is the reason to be careful is that this is basically THE GAME right here. if town screws up they lose it's over, if it works then town is sitting pretty | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
but town has the rest of the day to figure this out - calling for a lynch on BC because he's the only player not saying "hurr citizen is ownage!" is retarded | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
##Vote: southrawrea | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote: Ok, let's blow this taco stand. I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it: 1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player. 2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one. 3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win. OK - this bolded right here, is the most vulnerable part of your plan, citi. You are right - with no counter-claim, you yourself are in the clear. Remember, no dt check is confirmed because of the Godfather. As BC pointed out, if the GF decided to appear as DT he could have a representative (a red) act as his contact for this. However, the chances of GF picking DT in my experience are pretty low (never seen it happen) and mafia probably played it safe with vet or townie. But it's still POSSIBLE and so it must be weighed into consideration. The other thing is, how can you ask the DT to claim if more than 1 representative comes forward? The way the plan is worded, you yourself do not know the names of the DT's and are instead passing the names of the representatives, or am i misreading? | ||
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citi.zen
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On July 25 2010 00:44 citi.zen wrote: BC is plainly not making sense. He is red. Stop trying to distract. BC is not saying that you're scum or suspicious citi.zen -_-, I just think he's advocating that we be 100% certain and plan this all out, look at it from all angles before we commit. Right after you posted your blue-claim, tons of people were straight up going "lawl, we win, gg, mafia is screwed." A lot of people were pushing for your plan. But look back 3 pages before you. The town spent a good two/three pages discussing the BC/Tricode situation. It was all logical and no one jumped at each other's throats. Even when people made mistakes in logic, other's just pointed it out and it was corrected. It wasn't misrepresented in any way, and everyone basically worked together to figure it all out. Diagrams were drawn (tooting my own horn), logical explanations and counter explanations were made and in the end we got a very good idea of what happened. Now, after your claim, town's gone to mayhem. I think BC is suggesting a calm look at the situation ala his situation and for everyone to slow down a notch. ##Vote: southrawrea | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 25 2010 00:44 citi.zen wrote: BC is plainly not making sense. He is red. Stop trying to distract. stop trying to discourage discussion | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On July 25 2010 00:26 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: no, he actually has a really good point - that people screw up all the time. i can't tell you how many games i've been in where the dt's manage to start a blue circle, include one too any idiots and get the role info leaked to the mafia = dead blues; or inadvertently let the mafia directly into the PM circle = dead blues your plan is solid but not error proof nor fool proof, and we can't pretend like it is the reason to be careful is that this is basically THE GAME right here. if town screws up they lose it's over, if it works then town is sitting pretty OK - let's encourage discussion. DTs talking to each other: good or bad in your view? | ||
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
On July 25 2010 00:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: As BC pointed out, if the GF decided to appear as DT he could have a representative (a red) act as his contact for this. However, the chances of GF picking DT in my experience are pretty low (never seen it happen) and mafia probably played it safe with vet or townie. But it's still POSSIBLE and so it must be weighed into consideration. Makes no sense then we should have 2 persons claiming. Since citi.zen would be confirmed at this point he can print the 2 personse in the thread and we have a 1v1. This is good for town. On July 25 2010 00:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The other thing is, how can you ask the DT to claim if more than 1 representative comes forward? The way the plan is worded, you yourself do not know the names of the DT's and are instead passing the names of the representatives, or am i misreading? The point about getting 2 persons to claim is that the mafia have to sacrifice 2 persons to be able to infiltrate and even then we have a situation where 4 people are suspects and 2 of them is mafia this is also good for town. If citi.zen in confirmed then I see no problem with this. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 25 2010 01:02 citi.zen wrote: OK - let's encourage discussion. DTs talking to each other: good or bad in your view? lol no matter what role i am i would answer this question the same way, so essentially it is a nonquestion. try again! (the answer is that it is good) Basically my worry is that you need a way to deal with false claims. The mafia are at an advantage right now in terms of kills and I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to send in one of their players as a false DT representative in order to sacrifice himself, disrupt your plan, and buy them another day Situation: two people PM you claiming to be representatives of a Detective (they don't tell you his name). Now, since you know the name of the other DT or are at least in contact with him indirectly, we know one of these guys is a liar. How do you deal with this? We would have to publicly expose the names of the representatives, in order to spend a day role checking or lynching (double lynch?), which costs the town another 2 kills before the plan goes into effect. Is there another, cleaner, plan? Now one possible way to avoid this situation entirely is to have the remaining DT contact you himself, as you are confirmed town (unless there is a real vig/hatter out there and he is really really stupid or really really inactive). However, this still opens you up to false claims from the mafia, and in this case "your" DT can check one of the claimants (don't forget about the godfather!), thereby determining the innocence of the other. Still, you lose a night before getting the real DTs in touch with each other. And then, the possibilities of what happen during the night can destroy the plan entirely. The suicide bomber comes to mind. On the whole, this is a very powerful plan which is why i would expect mafia to interfere given that they haven't lost a member yet. Since the idea of the plan has already been set in motion it seems to me that the town has little choice but to participate - consider a scenario where the actual remaining DT is too nervous to contact citizen, and then citizen gets contacted my a mafia "detective." Since only 1 claim came to citizen, can he assume the innocence of this claimant? This scenario alone shows why we basically have no choice but to follow through with the plan now, and that the remaining DT needs to follow the plan and find a way to contact citizen. Personally, I'm not sure which method of contact is superior for the plan (representative to citi or actual DT to citi). Both have pros and cons here, can anyone else shed some light? | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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