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On July 25 2010 07:15 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
You know on the other hand, if citizen is red this play doesn't make a lot of sense either, I mean mafia are at an advantage and a gambit like this is really risky and i'm not sure why he would do that instead of just playing it safe.
Ugh, this is confusing.
disorganize the town, potentially bag two dts, and cause a mess much like is happening. I am pretty sure he has a history of this sort of play from previous games. I could be wrong on the last bit, but I don't think I am.
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On July 25 2010 07:18 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 04:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Thanks for appearing after I went to sleep, its nice to know I get to wake up to stuff like this.
Now, if you read the bolded text you can easily see a mistake in your reasoning. In the case of multiple DT mouths talking to citizen, rather than him clear his legimacy, your having him instant 100% cleared and his dt clears the others....If he is red, you just handed him the entire dt list, good job. Best plan so far. IF he is legit, we have no way of proving this. Regardless, your plan requires 100% trust pretty well in him.
As for why I haven't analyzed misder? So what? I opted to snag people I saw obviously coasting/acting scummy. You know, rather than fingering me for who I didn't analyze, maybe you should spend time analyzing said person. Hell if you think you believe they are scum, maybe you should give a reason why other than "I think"
Trying to put suspicion on me for who I didn't analyze is like saying "You contributed, but because your scum list and mine don't overlap 100% you must be red" instead of contributing yourself.
¨ Citi.zen was cleared if no other claimed mad hatter. If he is clear then his DT should be clear if it is as he says? Now the situation is different.Misder was more of an observation. Im not so sure you are mafia now. Since I get to choose between citi.zen and Southrawrea south is far more likely and that would prove you right, Will you believe in citi.zen if South turns out red? Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 05:24 SouthRawrea wrote:
Look..I've been busy for the past few days anyways. Do you want me to go take a picture of everything that I've been doing in the backyard in the pouring rain? Just one yes is all I need. This is my first time ever playing a forum mafia game and I'm not used to this way of posting extremely long posts and having every single word scrutinized. The few times I've played the game people would say their reports, and chat in a chatbox. Not to mention this is filled with much more text. I've never even encountered the Mad Hatter role. If you look at the game EpicMafia, although they have like 50 roles, they don't have a single one that I know of that resembles the one in this game. I figured that it was a town-favoured role that was only supposed to be used later in the game when you had a higher chance of hitting the mafia with your bombs. Hence why I only placed one on the person I was most suspicious of at the time. What we could be doing here is giving citi.zen all the info he needs if he is mafia to win the game for that side. DT claims especially. Sure play the newbie card. What you really is trying to do here is make citi tell where he has his bombs right? Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 05:48 SouthRawrea wrote:
Not sure how this is completely representative of all my posts. You're missing a few actually. The type of mafia I'm used to is more fast paced and over a short period of time. I'm not entirely good with the analytical thing where you link the posts of people from 50 pages back and stuff which is what the "better" players seem to be doing.
Also at citi.zen if you really are the Mad Hatter, why not announce who you placed your bombs on? If they're really innocent, no problemo and if they're mafia they'll think twice about shooting you and we have someone to lead. WTF!! This is so mafia why should he tell where he placed his bombs. Only mafia has the need to know if the bombs are placed on them or not. You practicly told us you are mafia. ##unvote
##vote southrawrea
see bolded part. He wasn't actually cleared with no counterclaim for a reason I listed earlier which was this
IF you were the mad hatter and you saw someone claim your role, You know instantly he's most likely red. You then wait a day, move your bomb to him get lynched following day (confirms both of you). Instead, he said "if no one claims im legit." He did however get a claim, regardless, his point was moot regardless.
I most likely wont trust citizen until he proves to be trustworthy. He is far too inactive at this point for the plan he proposed. He has legimate concerns raised against him, a counter claim, etc....
Where is he? Nowhere to be found, instead people who have been semi inactive all game have decided to vouch for him. It comes of as extremely suspicious.
Also, it has no matter where he placed his bombs. If he has them on reds or not. A dt circle is still confirmed, and as much as dead townies suck to have, they do lower the dt pool of checked targets finding reds faster. Anyone who flips red dies, then its a hunt for the gf. If you find three of one blue role, boom you found him, etc...
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On July 25 2010 07:29 youngminii wrote:
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this many people are actually voting for citi.zen. Let me say it one more time.
There is more information to be gained if SouthRawr is lynched than if citi.zen is lynched. Also, you are a mafia noob, not just a mafia, not just a noob.
Thing is your wrong. Citizen being lynched reveals us
A) he is hatter
b) he is gf
c) he is suicide bomber
d)he is townie playing huge gambit
e) he is dt (would be bad and he would have to claim this to save himself, although by lying once he could be doing it twice)
Now, if he is hatter, he dies kills two people (we get info based on who died remember), we get info based on those heavily accusing him, we get a confirmed dt (the one that checked him has checked someone else remember) his dt can then check the other dt confirming him and the circle is formed regardless and we get a ton of info.
We lynch southrawr
A) is mafia trying to save himself
B) is hatter with one bomb on chaoser
C) he flips green and we all go wtf
If he dies, we find out hes either a red trying to save himself or that hes a hatter with a bomb on someone you have been pressuring to kill all game. Regardless of his death, all we know is he was inactive till being called out. we get no info on really anyone else in this game. You just want to get chaoser killed and are pushing this.
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On July 25 2010 07:41 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
see bolded part. He wasn't actually cleared with no counterclaim for a reason I listed earlier which was this
IF you were the mad hatter and you saw someone claim your role, You know instantly he's most likely red. You then wait a day, move your bomb to him get lynched following day (confirms both of you). Instead, he said "if no one claims im legit." He did however get a claim, regardless, his point was moot regardless.
Agaisn you are using the fact that people are looking up to you to present some solutions that are not evident at all.Not everybody would play like this I sure as hell wouldn't. Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I most likely wont trust citizen until he proves to be trustworthy. He is far too inactive at this point for the plan he proposed. He has legimate concerns raised against him, a counter claim, etc....
Where is he? Nowhere to be found, instead people who have been semi inactive all game have decided to vouch for him. It comes of as extremely suspicious.
Also, it has no matter where he placed his bombs. If he has them on reds or not. A dt circle is still confirmed, and as much as dead townies suck to have, they do lower the dt pool of checked targets finding reds faster. Anyone who flips red dies, then its a hunt for the gf. If you find three of one blue role, boom you found him, etc...
I find it weird that you can chose between two people, oneof them is mafia. One you have already made a case against and told that he is most likely mafia. Still you vote on the other guy. Was you play earlier a scam to get people to trust you because you found Southrawrea as mafia?
Simple, i based one persons scum level based on activity, and the person I am now voting for put out an option with holes and not only has not refuted them, has barely even touched the hatter claim. Instead he is rallying on "trust" to get him through without being here. What to you is more scummy? Someone proposing a make or break strategy with the idea of "trust me" while vanishing into the night, or someone who desperately wants to live.
As for hatter play, maybe you wouldn't play like that BUT I am giving a logical idea of what someone might do. Just because you wouldn't do it, nor consider it a viable option is odd as your assuming someone else is completely legit, or that people always play this game under a normal sense of "logic". Not considering it a viable option because you wouldn't do it as other players might.
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On July 25 2010 07:44 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 07:29 youngminii wrote:
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this many people are actually voting for citi.zen. Let me say it one more time.
There is more information to be gained if SouthRawr is lynched than if citi.zen is lynched. Also, you are a mafia noob, not just a mafia, not just a noob. Thing is your wrong. Citizen being lynched reveals us A) he is hatter b) he is gf c) he is suicide bomber d)he is townie playing huge gambit e) he is dt (would be bad and he would have to claim this to save himself, although by lying once he could be doing it twice) Now, if he is hatter, he dies kills two people (we get info based on who died remember), we get info based on those heavily accusing him, we get a confirmed dt (the one that checked him has checked someone else remember) his dt can then check the other dt confirming him and the circle is formed regardless and we get a ton of info. We lynch southrawr A) is mafia trying to save himself B) is hatter with one bomb on chaoser C) he flips green and we all go wtf If he dies, we find out hes either a red trying to save himself or that hes a hatter with a bomb on someone you have been pressuring to kill all game. Regardless of his death, all we know is he was inactive till being called out. we get no info on really anyone else in this game. You just want to get chaoser killed and are pushing this. This post doesn't even make sense. Citi.zen being lynched reveals either one of the 5 original scenarios. JUST ONE. And then what? Nothing. There's 2 bombs linked to citi.zen and that's two needless deaths. We lynch southrawr and one of those scenarios goes off again. Except each of those scenarios give more information than any of citi.zen's scenarios (except the DT one). However, if southrawr flips red then that's pretty much confirmation for citi.zen being in a DT group. Yes, I do believe chaoser is red. Yes, this is a great opportunity to get two scum kills. However I have logical reasoning. Your reasoning is flawed at best and you're continually circumventing my arguments and somehow getting away with it. I don't care if you're red or green or blue at the moment, all I know is that we have a golden opportunity at lynching two reds right now and you're standing in the way.
I don't think you understand this. You have had an obvious vendetta against chaoser from day 1 it seems yet he is playing obviously more town aligned than you are. Where as he is being moderately helpful to a debate you keep finding new wonderful ways to try and get him killed.
As for south dying? what information does it give if hes red? It doesn't link chaoser, it doesn't link really anyone. Citizens plan was bleh and its getting shown as such. Whereas you get information regardless of citizens flip, a fair bit of info actually, potential confirmed dt a day earlier, YOU GET INFORMATION ON ALL DEATHS, get that through your head now. Anyone who dies has information associated to them. They made posts, they were targeted for whatever reason, and it links back. If he is red we have offed a higher ranking red. IF he is a front man for a dt/hatter the general fact he lied to the town means he can't have power regardless as he could just keep lying.
You seriously need to take a step back, take a deep breathe, then go back and start over.
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On July 25 2010 07:50 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 07:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 07:41 lakrismamma wrote:On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
see bolded part. He wasn't actually cleared with no counterclaim for a reason I listed earlier which was this
IF you were the mad hatter and you saw someone claim your role, You know instantly he's most likely red. You then wait a day, move your bomb to him get lynched following day (confirms both of you). Instead, he said "if no one claims im legit." He did however get a claim, regardless, his point was moot regardless.
Agaisn you are using the fact that people are looking up to you to present some solutions that are not evident at all.Not everybody would play like this I sure as hell wouldn't. On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I most likely wont trust citizen until he proves to be trustworthy. He is far too inactive at this point for the plan he proposed. He has legimate concerns raised against him, a counter claim, etc....
Where is he? Nowhere to be found, instead people who have been semi inactive all game have decided to vouch for him. It comes of as extremely suspicious.
Also, it has no matter where he placed his bombs. If he has them on reds or not. A dt circle is still confirmed, and as much as dead townies suck to have, they do lower the dt pool of checked targets finding reds faster. Anyone who flips red dies, then its a hunt for the gf. If you find three of one blue role, boom you found him, etc...
I find it weird that you can chose between two people, oneof them is mafia. One you have already made a case against and told that he is most likely mafia. Still you vote on the other guy. Was you play earlier a scam to get people to trust you because you found Southrawrea as mafia? Simple, i based one persons scum level based on activity, and the person I am now voting for put out an option with holes and not only has not refuted them, has barely even touched the hatter claim. Instead he is rallying on "trust" to get him through without being here. What to you is more scummy? Someone proposing a make or break strategy with the idea of "trust me" while vanishing into the night, or someone who desperately wants to live. As for hatter play, maybe you wouldn't play like that BUT I am giving a logical idea of what someone might do. Just because you wouldn't do it, nor consider it a viable option is odd as your assuming someone else is completely legit, or that people always play this game under a normal sense of "logic". Not considering it a viable option because you wouldn't do it as other players might. You know offering South hasn't saved you, don't you? You just dug the hole deeper.
You know letting your mafia fight your battles for you hasn't saved you right? It just shows how scum you are and hoping people miss it.
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On July 25 2010 07:56 youngminii wrote:
@tree.hugger Except for the fact that we can go back and analyse all these posts if Southrawr dies. I'm already drawing links (publicly) to Southrawr and you're just blanketing the case on Southrawr. I don't know why you're doing this but okay. Say I'm silly and argue your case, I honestly don't know what's goign through your mind.
dude your defending a guy whos only post in hours was a FoS on me. HE has ignored how many posts? seriously whats going through your mind.
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On July 25 2010 07:59 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 07:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 07:56 youngminii wrote:
@tree.hugger Except for the fact that we can go back and analyse all these posts if Southrawr dies. I'm already drawing links (publicly) to Southrawr and you're just blanketing the case on Southrawr. I don't know why you're doing this but okay. Say I'm silly and argue your case, I honestly don't know what's goign through your mind. dude your defending a guy whos only post in hours was a FoS on me. HE has ignored how many posts? seriously whats going through your mind. Better than siding with a guy who's many posts in many hours are filled with logical inconsistencies. How do we even know if citi.zen told the second DT party who his DT is?
... citizen if in the dt circle he claimed, wher ehe claimed he told the dt who to check day 2, has a confirmed townie (or he would have offered a red in his original plan). That townie can be the link that citizen wanted to be if citizen flips hatter as his circle just got instantly proven legit. Then the real dt could claim to that link, voila. Mafia faking the claim would get checked and off'd.
How are you missing the obvious here? You speak about logical inconsistencies but are ignoring citizens, as well as your own.
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On July 25 2010 08:10 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 07:59 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 07:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 07:56 youngminii wrote:
@tree.hugger Except for the fact that we can go back and analyse all these posts if Southrawr dies. I'm already drawing links (publicly) to Southrawr and you're just blanketing the case on Southrawr. I don't know why you're doing this but okay. Say I'm silly and argue your case, I honestly don't know what's goign through your mind. dude your defending a guy whos only post in hours was a FoS on me. HE has ignored how many posts? seriously whats going through your mind. Better than siding with a guy who's many posts in many hours are filled with logical inconsistencies. How do we even know if citi.zen told the second DT party who his DT is? ... citizen if in the dt circle he claimed, wher ehe claimed he told the dt who to check day 2, has a confirmed townie (or he would have offered a red in his original plan). That townie can be the link that citizen wanted to be if citizen flips hatter as his circle just got instantly proven legit. Then the real dt could claim to that link, voila. Mafia faking the claim would get checked and off'd. How are you missing the obvious here? You speak about logical inconsistencies but are ignoring citizens, as well as your own. Wait you WANT DT to publicly claim? Are you kidding me? Did you forget Mafia have 2KP AND a suicide bomber in this game?
Yes because publically claiming is what happens when a dt talks to a confirmed link no? Are you purposely missing what im saying?
Citizen if hes legit in his group has a dt, himself and one other, that one other would be who the dt claims to. AFTER citizen flips. there is no public to it. IF mafia try to fake claim the link (shouldnt as citizen would be offering up said info if he were about to die if he was town), so if mafia tries to fake claim dt, or fake claim the link to be claimed to
(ie mulitple claimers) you can dt check and remove. Voila dead mafia.
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On July 25 2010 08:14 citi.zen wrote:
Town, if you really think I am red and out of the blue decided to fake claim in a game where nobody had put any pressure on me, you deserve to lose.
I am out with the family for the evening. If you find that scummy on a Saturday I am speechless.
Make the right call and this is over. The reds risked everything today: try to go after my credibility, try to question a solid plan on unfounded grounds, fake-claim right when a majority of players had correctly concluded I was telling the tuyth, try to get me lynched "to reveal information" (really to stop me from linking the two circles tonight). Just read the thread to see who did this - it's transparent as hell.
when it was confirmed? You claimed just before SPL, on a friday night where you knew the activity level would drop. After those people crash and go to bed. Don't feign anything like that as we both know its hell.
Address the issues you have obviously ignored and stop being so WIFOM. Your uncaring attitude is just indicator of why I think your scum
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On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote:
I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:
rastaban has a DT
citi.zen has a DT
youngminii has a DT
Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF?
A more puzzling thing is this.
Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me.
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On July 25 2010 08:18 youngminii wrote:
Here's some credibility for citi.zen. I don't care if you don't read this but know that if you're town and citi.zen dies tonight you have played against your win condition by a big deal.
I represented my DT and claimed to citi.zen. Rastaban did the same. Citi.zen got two DT claims and so he knows something is wrong. If he was scum, he would have kept going as if everything was normal. Instead, he made both rastaban and myself aware that there were more than one DT group claiming.
Citi.zen is in the best position possible as town and you should all see that.
Except there was a third claim? at this point he should have come out and simply said "think i found the gf/reds in pms, we are having a field day tonight" as hes already got them caught when they pm, instead he hid that fact.
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On July 25 2010 08:22 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:20 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 08:17 BrownBear wrote:
I am so fucking confused right now. What I see it as:
rastaban has a DT
citi.zen has a DT
youngminii has a DT
Could 2 of these be the same DT? Or have we caught a falseclaimer/the GF? A more puzzling thing is this. Two mouths have claimed to citizen, and we have someone counter claiming? The pm rasta showed implies a third claimant (as i doubt citizen would count himself as one) Seems really odd to me. He's counting his DT as one. Look at the next paragraph, he says "we'll check one of the two". You're slipping up more and more BC. If when citi.zen found out there were multiple claims for DT, he would have told town if he was townie. But he didn't. That's weird
I concur. This would actually make his position much more likely to a townie move, instead he kept this to himself. Odd play for sure. We currently have two mouths spoken out saying they were in touch with citizen as well, where one doesn't trust his dt?
Why wasn't that posted, why has information like this that is actually important been kept behind the scenes?
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On July 25 2010 08:25 bumatlarge wrote:Oh god dammit i cant keep up properly anymore  Can someone clear this whole DT situation up before the lynch gets through? And BC callin out citizen on when he posts claiming he picks and chooses when is a dirty tactic, as if you claim you know his schedule and when hes not busy. Thats not the way to go about accusing someone.
Dude? IF you make a claim like he did, it requires activity otherwise it appears scum. The few posts he has made since he returned have been FoS posts and berating people for being bad essentially.
He has withheld information that would help clear himself as well. It is not unreasonable that if hes going to be inactive to make relatively decently sized posts actually talking about points raised. The fact your letting him off with "oh well you cant call someone out on life stuff" is like saying his point about when the counterclaim happened is null based on the same sort of argument. You can't excuse one for it but not another.
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On July 25 2010 08:31 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:29 rastaban wrote:
Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.
True, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to get MH to say who they put their bombs on is a very scummy move. It's not worth possibly messing up a fakeclaimer when it's far more likely that they're legit, they say who their bombs are on, and mafia hits them to take out 2 or 3 people in one go.
Except if any of those bombs are on mafia, they lose up to two of their members as well. Tree hugger has already gone over this.
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I think another thing I wonder and could be horrifically wrong here, but if he has two dt claims that he kept to himself, is it possible he was trying to fish for dt names elsewhere as well? Not sure if its likely but ugh, I am now even more paranoid.
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On July 25 2010 08:36 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:33 chaoser wrote:
guys, please respond to the VERY scummy thing that he did which is keep the triple claim for DT from town. That's VERY WEIRD. What's so weird? It's not like he told town "Okay guys, one DT group contacted me so now we have two DT groups working together". Can't he pull together a bit more information before telling everyone everything? It would also look extremely suspicious if he tells everyone that two DT groups contacted him if he doesn't tell everyone the identities of the DT group reps (me and rastaban).
Dude his head is on the chopping block. Information like that could have potentially saved him instantly. HE doesn't need to give up your names to town, just claim that he got multiple claims that can be investigated. Its less scummy to be honest with it when your in a position to die than holding it back.
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On July 25 2010 08:37 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 08:31 BrownBear wrote:On July 25 2010 08:29 rastaban wrote:
Well last game he was caught when he tried to define his fake roleclaim.
True, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to get MH to say who they put their bombs on is a very scummy move. It's not worth possibly messing up a fakeclaimer when it's far more likely that they're legit, they say who their bombs are on, and mafia hits them to take out 2 or 3 people in one go. Except if any of those bombs are on mafia, they lose up to two of their members as well. Tree hugger has already gone over this. It's roughly a 1 in 5 chance that this is true. Your math sucks.
Except factor in his skill level and he will most likely have at least 1 red, if not two. Do you not weigh all the variables into your equations?
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On July 25 2010 08:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
how much time is left for Day? hopefully citizen can come back and clear some things up himself.
I think an hour and 20 minutes if BM keeps things to his regular schedule, much later if not.
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On July 25 2010 08:41 citi.zen wrote:
The confirmed dt knows of all the claims. I will not reveal their names publicly at this point - it would condemn the real one. It also has no bearing on what you guys need to do: lynch south so you get a 1pp% confirmed red. One way or another.
If your here long enough to post a comment like that, please go back and talk about issues pointed at you, stop random picking.
You got called out on a scum move, defend yourself, stop avoiding it. Saying "i passed all info onto my dt" isn't a defense when your suspected scum, as all it implies is you handed the info to your team.
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