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On June 05 2010 08:18 ElyAs wrote: So, LaXerCannon. Did you receive a PM from DarthThienAn ? :o Yes I did | ||
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On June 05 2010 09:41 DarthThienAn wrote: Yesh, I'm gonna be lynching jiabung, unless someone comes up with a good defense for him for some reason. He's as good a target as TyranoS in terms of clues and inactivity, etc. However, some people have been pushing for TyranoS without much explanation - something mafia can do quite easily without being noticed/looking suspicious. So as a bit of a precaution / to hopefully increase our chances at hitting mafia, lynch target is gonna be jiabung. ^props to YI for pointing this out to me through PM. Anyone who was thinking about zeks: zeks is too active for a day 1 lynch - inactivity over "possible" scum. Maybe later if we think so, but not today for sure. I don't remember if they were any other potential targets. Oh, LaXer has posted an "I'm back" post - still not off the hook for inactivity, but it's nice to see him alive. Sorry, I'll be posting more regularly now - I forgot to take note of when this round started so I didn't post until I got your PM | ||
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The format is: Name The hint Why it's relevant + Show Spoiler + Hugoboss21 : Hint: However, on his way out, he passed by the receptionist’s desk “People that leave games. Make me think fondly of death.” Hint: He noticed he was being followed “Loves playing…spy at TF2 Crate: Hint: He was struck by a speeding car “I saw a car” Onihunter: Hint: BloodyC0bbler dead and floating in town fountain “I’ve been swimming ever since…” Hint: a thrown knife while walking down the hallway Hunters use knives >__> MooCow: Hint: BloodyC0bbler dead and floating in town fountain “I tread water for three days in a row.” AcrossFiveJulys: Hint: showering Incognito with burning hot… “burn your wings” Yellowink: Hint: the printer exploded…burning hot ink “YellowInk” DCLXVI: Hint: showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face His profile picture looks like a guy hit in the face with black ink. DCLXVI: Hint: he was struck by a speeding car “I’m just borrowing your Humvee!” TyranoS_NiveK: Hint: BloodyC0bbler dead and floating in town fountain “I tread water for three days in a row.” BrownBear: Hint: a figure rush forward. Like a bear attacking? Misder Hint: The lack of description regarding the method used to kill BloodyC0bbler “Nothing happens in my life. The end” Pyr0ma5ta Hint: showering incognito with burning hot… Pyromasta -> fire Deconduo Hint: BloodyC0bbler dead and floating in town fountain Profile picture has water in it | ||
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On June 05 2010 21:36 MooCow wrote: Whoa lots of reading after waking up! The first posts that kind of "shocked" me were LaXerCannon and 3 Lions, just because they haven't been very active and they start the night phase by instantly trying to link people to clues. I know 3L gave a reason but meh seems a bit suspicious to me. What would you like me to do then ? I just thought I'd do something before I went to sleep or I'd be hounded more for being inactive. | ||
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On June 06 2010 01:25 YellowInk wrote: To clean out the shadows, so to speak, I'd like to propose a clear policy of anti-inactivity. In these early days before we have any good targets to hang (if for some reason we do get good targets to hang we will of course go after named scum as a priority), I suggest that we target those who are inactive. The large scale purpose of this is not that I actually desire to hang anyone due to inactivity (since unfortunately most of these people are likely to be town - especially so in a game filled with new players), but to impress the importance that we cannot effectively combat the scum if people lurk. Therefore, I propose the following requirements to all posters: You must post your thoughts on at least four different people each day. Give reasoning (this is important). These thoughts must be spaced out such that two of these posts must be at least 12 hours apart. That is to say you can talk about 3 people at one point, then just sometime later in the day you have to give thoughts on another person. This is a bare minimum requirement. I encourage people who really are town to go ahead and post as much of their thoughts as they are willing. It is also important that you post as much original thought as you can. Since this is not something easily judged, I'm not putting it in the above requirements. However the mafia will be forced to conceal their intentions in some way - and one of the easiest ways they could choose to do so is to just parrot the thoughts that others have already expressed. So if you're town, don't do this! You may agree with their thoughts and voice that you do so agree, just don't count it as one of your four thoughts for the day. The consequence for failure to meet this policy will be that you will be eligible to be hung solely on the basis of your inactivity. In this early game, we will often not have great scum targets. If everyone were to talk a lot, we might have some decent reads on folk. Furthermore, we'd have more information in the mid to late game from all of this early talk to figure out who is mafia. Please discuss your thoughts on this policy. This is something the town has to agree upon since people are lynched by majority vote. I think it is clear how this policy will have a long term effect of benefiting town. I'd like to know why you would want this especially since it would mean hell for some people (me) as it would require getting on the computer before going to school to meet this requirement. | ||
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On June 06 2010 01:39 YellowInk wrote: @LaXerCannon and Thegilaboy concerns expressed I don't see why the 12 hour thing is a challenge. You have a 48 hour window. This means you could post at hour 0 and hour 40 and you'd be fine. Or you could post at hour 24 and hour 36. It doesn't much matter to me. I'm sure almost everyone here has a job/school/regular obligations. Over the course of 48 hours you should be able to find two times to post. The purpose of the 12 hour policy is to prevent someone from sitting down and posting once (or in one sitting nearly back to back) in the entire 48 hours. I want to hear your impressions at different times in the day (at least twice). Does this make more sense? Sorry, I thought you meant day as in an actual 24 hour day | ||
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I'm not very good at analyzing behaviors and such. I could give it a go if I really have to but I prefer to just analyze clues. I've already failed at analyzing behavior in a mafia game in the past (Ace's mafia world). As for the sloppy analysis I posted beforehand, I'll be fixing it up and adding more to it when the following day post comes out. Through clues alone, I'm suspecting Hugoboss21 and DCLXVI but I don't really have enough clues to go on. | ||
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TheGilaboy + Show Spoiler + The DT in his picture corresponds to the “stealthily kept to the shadows” and also the “in an instant his life had been snuffed out” kind of like a DT slash: one swing is deadly The picture of the stalker also corresponds to the way the masked figure followed ElyAs. Moocow + Show Spoiler + The profile in his picture looks like someone keeping stealthily intot he shadows (the masked figure). The masked figure runs fast and Moocow has “I am a dynamic figure” in his profile. Then again, it sucks to have so many ways to have clues connect to you. Icysoul + Show Spoiler + Barth died to a weight push against him. Icysoul has the profile saying “Nothing can stand in the way of overwhelming power~” TyranoS_NiveK + Show Spoiler + DT in his profile picture which corresponds to the masked figure. The masked figure runs fast and TyranoS_NiveK has “I am a dynamic figure” in his profile. Same problem with moocow: too many ways to have clues connect to him CompX + Show Spoiler + The weight that pushed barth out the window could be “tiny the stone GIANT!!” His profile involves sleep; barth was about to sleep before his final moments. | ||
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On June 06 2010 12:05 YellowInk wrote: I see the connection with Zeks - he has a ninja in his profile. It's why he came up before. Why is TheGilaboy included? Isn't that just a zealot on the left? On the right I'm not so sure what it is. And the same with TyranoS_NiveK, that's just a zealot. zealots have blue blades, dts have green | ||
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On June 06 2010 12:11 YellowInk wrote: Ah, I see. I have been out-geeked. I thought DTs had scythes not straight blades. Both of the designs are technically right as they're both dts (blizzard made the scythe one as a model in SCII to please the fans) ; the only way you can tell for sure is the color of the blade ...you know you play too much sc when... | ||
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On June 06 2010 12:14 YellowInk wrote: It's worth noting in particular that both with this kill and with a clue in the opening there was specifically a knife involved. To me, this points much more heavily towards an actual ninja than a DT. That being said, there may be other places we can link this besides Zeks' ninja. I'll try finding more ninja references tomorrow after some sleep. Good Night everyone | ||
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On June 06 2010 12:35 DarthThienAn wrote: defenestration? what is that? o.O Another thing that might be a clue is " ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it." which suggests someone who is a fast runner - not sure we have anyone like that though. The killer also beats ElyAs to the town courthouse in the post. Of course, the main thing here is stealth - LD, it's true that stealth is usually present in all mafia-death-stories, but in this case, I think it's worth considering, only because of how accented the stealth of the killer is. He was "a masked figure" and "stealthily kept to the shadows" which is pretty explicit. A knife is a normal tool, but combined with the thrown knife from Day 1, I'd consider it significant. As for barth's death, I'm not sure what to make of it... a weight pushed on him, to make him go OUTSIDE. so the weight come from inside - could've just been a normal person there pushing him, or it could've been a trap of some sort, with swinging weights etc. Seems more subtle than that though. Looks like i'm not sleeping yet (damn youtube videos) Defendestration is the act of throwing someone out the window | ||
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On June 06 2010 16:03 DCLXVI wrote: Well many of the "clues" that people are making connections to I find to be far fetched. I think that trying to hang someone off the clues is a bad idea and either some stronger connections should be made or we should focus more on reading into what people say and wait for more "clues". Granted ignoring information is a bad idea, I just think that right now we could get farther by reading into what people say since they should be posting more. And by every post mentioning TheGilaBoy you mean everyone posting "DTs in his profile!" or the fortress-barricade "connection" which is about the townies, not the killer... yes really, please list a few. The only other plausible one I find is the gila monster - poison one. -Really LaXerCannon? do you just want to take the heat off you that you vote 40 hours early? What could possibly have made you make up your mind so quickly about this? Sorry if you saw it that way, I really just want to vote based on clues. From TheGilaboy, I naturally see the weak DT connection but I also see other connections: ElyAs was being stalked and BloodyC0bbler was as well in day 1 and the fact that he has a stalker in his profile helps, but what really made me vote for him was the fact that the masked figure beat ElyAs to the courthouse even though he was being followed. If the masked figure really passed ElyAs, don't you think the murderer would've killed ElyAs as he passed him? My only plausible explanation is that the masked figure blinked which is an ability for the stalker. | ||
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- Claims to be new to Mafia + Show Spoiler + - Post 169 contains his attempts at connecting people to the drowning clue. [note: I missed this the first time around but the day 1 post never explicitly state that BloddyC0bbler died from drowning. He could’ve died from a weapon and then was thrown into the fountain] -Post 175, connects DCLXVI and jianbung to clues -Post 207, requests jiabung to be added on list of suspects -Post 269, expresses doubt against YellowInk, feels it is too early to vote -Post 344, still requires more material from candidates, leaning towards Darth -Post 396, suddenly decides to vote for YellowInk because he’s attracted a lot of attention (his reason for doubting YellowInk in post 269 was because he was eager to get into office) -Post 435, concurs with LunarDestiny, expresses doubt towards Misder but not BrownBear -Post 525, reiterates that he is new to mafia and is overwhelmed by some of it. Promises to be more vocal. Becomes less wary of YellowInk and Darth. Suspects Deucegladlier. -Post 597, “I feel at least one of [YI and Darth] could be scum, but not very sure of that” -Post 651, Links clues, promises to take a better look soon. One thing I picked up was his initial reluctance to vote for YellowInk and then suddenly voting for YellowInk with his sole reason being "he's attracted a lot of attention". I don't have much to go on; thus I'll keep my vote on him as a placeholder until I find someone else that's suspicious. | ||
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On June 07 2010 10:33 LunarDestiny wrote: LaxerCannon, when you say your day 1 voting is ahead of others, I think you are referring to the WTF, why so early day2 vote on TheGliBoys. Again, I am not saying you guys are mafia. I am pointing out consistency in voting behavior. If we lynch DeuceGladlier and he turns mafia. Our next lead will be LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, and CompX. Because of the voting behavior in additional of the previous mentioned reason for DeuceGladlier being mafia. I will now cast my vote on lynching DeuceGladlier. For one, having DeuceGladlier turn mafia is not a very good argument to make us (well this argument is for me >__>) suspects. I for one feel that both have reasons to be suspected but also feel that TheGilaBoy is the more suspicious of the two. That being said, I highly doubt DeuceGladlier will turn out mafia: if he is indeed mafia, he should've came out to defend himself already. If he does indeed do so and do a suspicious job of it, I will of course switch my vote. But for now, TheGilaBoy will remain as my vote. | ||
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On June 07 2010 10:50 LunarDestiny wrote: I changed my opinion about TheGilaBoy a while ago, but I haven't state my reason. So I will do it now. The picture on the TheGilaBoy is a dt. Of course that will make him an easy mafia target. I don't think it is fair just to say dt=assassin. The suspicion of TheGilaBoy comes from the death of ElyAs: 1)The "hastily constructed barricades" reference to "Twilight Fortress" in TheGilaBoys' profile is irrelevant since "hastily constructed barricades" refers to other townies constructing their home. for 1) Twilight Fortress clue is a MAP. The towns are constructing hastily built barricades thus providing a "map" for the mafia. Of course, I don't think this is a good clue either but I'm just pointing out how one may come to this connection. for 2)It was never explicitly stated that the mafia chasing ElyAs was faster - just that he appeared before the front steps before ElyAs. I've provided a possible explanation in that stalkers can blink and his profile contains the picture of a stalker. Of course there are other explanations like defying physics etc. | ||
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On June 07 2010 11:02 LunarDestiny wrote: pyr0ma5ta, you say that people voting based on their sleep schedules and time zones. I disagree with that statement. Most of the players here are from North America and their votings are spread out across the voting period. And it is such a coincidence that four players who voted late on one day, voted early when one of them is in danger of being the lynch target. I wouldn't really consider myself a lynch target because the worst that I did was become inactive in day 1. In the end all I wanted to say in day 1 had already been said (through my sloppy analysis before day 1 ended). The only other reason to suspect me would be my quote "just keep swimming" and the fountain clue. | ||
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On June 07 2010 11:15 LunarDestiny wrote: LaXerCannon, so your reason for lynching TheGilaBoy is based on: 1)Thegilaboys has a reference of winning Twilight Fortress with Dark Templars. Hastily built barricades refers to Twilight Fortress. And ElyAs is killed in a town (the map Twilight Fortress. This is too far fetch 2)Now you think it is TheGilaBoys, the stalker who blink to beat ElyAs to the courthouse. Then this reason just disprove reason #1 about winning Twilight Fortress with Dark Templar. Also to point out that blink is a active move which requires cool off time (stalker can not out run a zealot) and blink doesn't move you too far. I already displayed the fact that I believe this is a far fetched relation. Also, I never mentioned anything about Dark Templar just the twilight fortress part of it. For blinking distance, the masked figure remained close enough to keep an eye on ElyAs even during night time, I believe that blink should be able to cover that distance. Then again, arguing the distance of blink is really pointless. | ||
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On June 07 2010 11:32 LunarDestiny wrote: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight. ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. ElyAs gasped, but in an instant his life had been snuffed out, and the killer walked away with a bloodied knife. So LaXer, you reasons for Lynching TheGilaBoys are: Stalker: Mask Figure. Stalker uses blink to beat EylAs to the court house. I want to point out that ElyAs ran from the lynch location to the courthouse. We don't know the distance from the lynch location to the courthouse So further argues about it is useless. Second, I want to point out that the killer use a knife for his crime. I do not think stalker has a knife and can use a knife to kill. This is of course we're assuming that TheGilaBoys is strictly a Stalker and not just borrowing properties from the Stalker and DT. Otherwise yes your logic makes sense. | ||
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-"in an instant his life had been snuffed out...a bloodied knife" A slash from a DT is pretty powerful and also the knife clue -The blink clue -Stalker can be taken literally if we see how the figure's following ElyAs -ElyAs never saw the DT until his final moments, DT was cloaking? (again this is a weak clue) | ||
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That being said, I'm waiting for the next post to harvest more clues | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + However, he failed to notice that somebody was pursuing him as he made his way back home. -Stalking clue again; in the many ways the mafia could confront his victim, the word choice is really bugging me. Thrice now have we had a victim being followed. It was the case with BloodyC0bbler and ElyAs and now pyr0ma5ta as well. Before he could withdraw the gun though, something flew through the air, blinding pyr0ma5ta as it hit him in the face. -Flash bomb? This sounds like a physical weapon so lasers are out. As he clawed at the suffocating object, it released an electrical shock that brought pyr0ma5ta to his knees. -Oh so it's a taser now? The last thing pyr0ma5ta would hear was the sound of his killer's heavy breathing. -The guy's fat or very unfit to be panting heavily while pyr0ma5ta showed no sign of being tired AcrossFiveJuly's + Show Spoiler + By the end of the night AcrossFiveJuly’s had no idea who stabbed him, but he was left dead all the same. -not many clues left behind here! -AcrossFiveJuly was unable to find the mafia -he died without knowing who killed him -he got stabbed | ||
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TheGilaboy - I don't think I should say anymore about him :S Hugoboss21 + Show Spoiler + I've been considering this connection since the very first day post. His profile includes the fact that he loves playing medic & SPY in TF2. Now I've only played TF2 for max 5 minutes at a friends house so I had to do some research (please correct me if there are any facts i'm ignorant to). Here are some points I found regarding the spy from team fortress 2: -You can't use a weapon when you're cloaked. This would be able to connect to the three deaths (BloodyC0bbler, ElyAs, PyroMa5ta) or BEP for short. BEP didn't notice that they were being followed until the murder decided to kill. Especially in Pyr0ma5ta's case the mafia didn't stun before revealing himself. Instead he revealed himself and then stunned. -Your body briefly glows as your team's color when fading in and out of invisibility as a spy and that will give you away if seen removing your cloak. This is probably how BEP noticed that they were being followed. -The spy in team fortress has a masked like the mask figure in ElyAs' death. -One of his weapons is an Electro Sapper which could be what he threw at Pyr0Ma5ta. Then again, you can't really get anything use it on an enemy character in the game. I still don't think this is good enough to point a finger at him as I can't explain his weight or his ability to beat ElyAs in running despite his weight. Misder + Show Spoiler + Nothing Happens in my life. The end. -Kinda reminds me of AcrossFiveJuly's death You can probably tell I got really lazy after the first too :S I'm going to go off to bed now. One final note: I like littlechava's survival of the fittest clue! I didn't catch that D= | ||
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Best Outcome If onihunter flips red, it would make DTA that much closer to being a townie. We can start developing a town circle and proceed from there. Bad Outcome If onihunter flips green/blue, we have to make a choice: -lynch DTA. -trust DTA and lynch his source. Worst Outcome If we lynch DTA's source and he flips out green/blue, we can confirm that DTA is mafia. This would require TWO lynches that could go elsewhere. That being said, I'm going to hold off on lynching for now to double check onihunter. I do agree with the decision for a double lynch however and will vote for that first. | ||
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Post # 184 + Show Spoiler + points out the irrelevance of the lightning clue in day 1 Post # 270 + Show Spoiler + -Connects the printer clue with Yellowink, Crate to speeding car, MooCow (green) with throwing knife ; all clues that can be examined with a quick skim of profiles. -Announced he didn't finish reading the thread yet Post # 649** + Show Spoiler + -Excuse for inactivity : awards ceremony + SAT -Justified voting for Brownbear because he did not trust DTA or YellowInk -CLAIMS TO BE HIS FIRST TIME PLAYING as a way to justify not knowing what type of behavior leads to what and yet knew that the lightning clue is irrelevant -connects Gilaboy to the gila monster and poisoned coffee -connects AcrossFiveJuly (blue) to burning wings and burning ink and weights in the gym -most are reposts Post # 654 + Show Spoiler + -Corrects the above post Post # 677 + Show Spoiler + -Calls AcrossFiveJulys out for dodging accusations -proposes an idea: dts should check the barricade clue -reiterates that he's new to this game -connects zek and Icysoul(blue) to clues Post # 779* + Show Spoiler + -Justifies his choice to lynch DeuceGladlier. Defends Thegilaboy and starts suspecting the people who voted for him Post # 781 + Show Spoiler + -asks to see if Deucegladlier will reach the minimum requirements to survive; proposes to switch to Thegilaboy Post #898* + Show Spoiler + -switches to moocow -proposes several scenarios to the current situation -justifies not voting for Thegilaboy because MooCow and TyranoS_Nivek have the same profile. Post #899 + Show Spoiler + -asks how to find a specific post Post #911 + Show Spoiler + -labels TyranoS_NiveK as more suspicious but keeps vote on MooCow to "get rid of an ambiguous case" instead of getting rid of an inactive Post #912 [spoiler] -Continues above by saying Deuce doesn't have any clues pointing at him [spoiler] Post #1016 + Show Spoiler + "Crap. Im going to be really pissed off is deuce is actually mafia. That would have been my third and least likely outcome that I posted. All that analysis for nothing..." Post #1138 + Show Spoiler + -questions the reliability of DTA's source -considers that there are not enough clues pointing at 3 lions Overall I disagree with a lot of things Misder has said over the course of this game. Namely, his justification for voting for MooCow (get rid of one so that we can tell them apart), and checking the barricade clue on TheGilaBoy when there are stronger connections. Most of his analysis were reposts and his lack of posts doesn't deliver enough substance to give a good read on him. I would definitely say he's leaning on the mafia side. However, I can't link any solid clues to him and that makes me uneasy. With 1192 posts (this one SHOULD be 1193 but then again, it's been a while since I've refreshed the page), each person should be posting roughly 35-40 posts. Misder has 16. I hope he posts more in the future; I do understand though that there are real life obligations we have to take care of. Overall: He's leaning on the mafia side for me, the only thing deterring me from voting for him is the lack of clues on him. P.S. Speaking of real life obligations, my high school prom is coming up this Friday - I definitely will be away. I might post a bit on Saturday if I'm not dead tired but I've got an orchestral performance @8PM (on the day after prom )and I'm not sure how late it'll go to. | ||
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On June 11 2010 11:45 flamewheel wrote: I highlighted the wrong name to cross out, should have been TyranoS_NiveK instead of Deucegladlier. The mistake has been rectified, sorry. Does this mean Deuce is also townie ;D | ||
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Thank god for town | ||
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On June 14 2010 12:11 flamewheel wrote: Hehe LaXerCannon... If you're a Bodyguard, never give that information out. Who can it help, even? The problem was that I got scared when people said I was 99% town aligned. I was certain I was going to get hit so I took a gamble and tried to grab some protection. :S | ||
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