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XeliN, I saw that you fail-removed your vote. But that's when you said you were going to be busy for the next 10 hours, it wasn't related to you warning the town not to immediately jump onto d3.
I never said your reasons for voting d3 was a problem, I'm just saying that revealing some info, if d3 turns out to be not mafia, is bad for town.
Hobbes, why do you post so little? Dx (nothing wrong with the content of your posts, just so little of em...)
So now we need to hear from RoL... =\
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On April 29 2010 00:43 XeliN wrote: I PM quite abit in games that allow it, you put out you find me suspicious and I wanted to know why, but seeing you've written a big post im going to read it now.
I don't have an issue with PMing.
I don't have an issue with you wanting to know why I find you suspicious.
I see no reason why you wouldn't do it in this thread however unless you're mafia and you want to use the information I give you to help you appear less scummy.
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BM, when is day over? I will vote for BrownBear if the day is going to end. But definitely want to hear from RoL.
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I think XeliN, BrownBear and Johnny are probably most suspicious looking atm.
So I'm okay with lynching any of the 3. So I'll wait until the end of the day and vote.
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XeliN, I said I would lynch BrownBear if the time comes. I just want to wait to see if RoL will show up.
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Well XeliN I thought you were mafia and nobody else seems to want to vote for you, so what do you know. xD
Uh Bill, would it be possible to vote at 2am? >.< I have to go to bed, so since noone's really talking and RoL is nowhere to be found, I think I will just turn in for the night.
So uh, at 3PM KST,
Vote BrownBear
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Oh man, finall something is up.
At 3pm KST Vote: Johnnyspazz
Goodnight people~
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Not that it seems necessary, but just posting confirming that d3 PM'd me about XeliN and Hobbes checking out town.
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What does this confirming have to do with a last ditch effort to save my ass?
I've spoken with d3 and hobbes in PM before. Hobbes can confirm this. Thankfully d3 PM'd me before he died last night and told me XeliN turned out town (otherwise I would be totally on lynching his ass today for being so jumpy about everything, but he turned out town (no reason for d3 to lie to us) so I'm obviously not going to bother analyzing him).
Out of me, BrownBear and RoL I think I'm the only one who knows that d3 is detective (from the sound of the way they're talking).
And considering that d3 told me he was detective (again, hobbes can confirm this) it would be retarded for me to kill d3 if I had known he was detective.
Let's see the scenarios: #1 Kill d3 D3 is dead, but he has a rolecheck: so either he finds a mafia and PMs the entire town, which case town lynches them today, or he finds a townie, in which case there's 2 confirmed townies.
#2 Kill someone else D3 is not confirmed, we all run around in circles accusing each other.
Let's see the scenario from BrownBear and RoL's perspective if they didn't know that d3 claimed to me and Hobbes that he's detective: #1 Kill someone else Let's see, I voted last yesterday, so that's probably suspicious enough to pull some bullshit on me. XeliN I've been going omg he's mafia for quite a while so he wouldn't be a good target. Hobbes is kind of inactive anyway so who cares he probably won't contribute much, and since he's inactive if mafia can somehow convince town that they're clean then hobbes looks bad because he'll be the lurker and suspected of mafia. #2 Kill d3 D3's the one posting analysis, XeliN voted for him first from some PM spaz so he probably can be blamed for being mafia after d3 dies. Plus the fact that XeliN is being suspected by me, so XeliN looks real suspicious once d3 is dead. RoL does some analysis on XeliN, I go omg see I knew it all along XeliN's acting so suspicious etc etc and then we get XeliN lynched, game over for us.
So which one of them should we lynch?
I say we lynch RoL, because he's less active. Tomorrow it'll be easier to prove that I'm innocent and BrownBear is guilty (obviously mafia is not going to be retarded and shoot one of us tonight) because BrownBear's posted a lot more than RoL. Not to mention RoL is inactive to the point of extinction (you could probably argue that Hobbes is mafia because he posts very little and stays under the radar but posting as little as RoL is pretty much like, screw this, I'm town, I don't feel like playing because I have a lot of work) so we can barely analyze him. He'll probably pull some fancy analysis up because I've posted so much (and I've accused XeliN like 50 times) and get me lynched just because there's not enough of him to analyze.
We should lynch RoL today and BrownBear tomorrow, because BrownBear is more active so tomorrow you can make a more informed decision between me and BrownBear.
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Oh right, not to mention that d3 wanted to check BrownBear last night and I mentioned that he should check XeliN because I thought XeliN was most definitely mafia.
If I was mafia then I'd know XeliN was town and asking d3 to clear my most suspicious target (the person who I can most easily convince town is mafia) would be retarded.
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Could you explain why you're voting for me?
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Like seriously, why is XeliN always the one making rash decisions in the game??
What are you going to do now, suddenly decide after I post my response to why you are accusing me freak out and go omg omg she's green shit we just lost?
You'd think you'd learn not to be so rash after Abenson and Johnny. Guess some people don't learn...
I thought we said we're doing this at the end of the day. If you're not going to explain why you're voting for me care to at least take it off before BB and RoL get back and gg us??
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Oh really? If you think BrownBear is innocent why isn't he voting then?
Mafia are just afraid you're going to pull a d3 and jump on the first person who votes for me or the other person who votes for me.
The only reason I don't think you're mafia is because d3 confirmed you. What happened to yo everyone let's wait and see? You play completely scum for town and if we lose this game I'm blaming it on you.
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If BrownBear was town he would vote as soon as possible.
The only reason he's waiting is probably because RoL hasn't gotten home yet (he said 11:30 est) which is 90min from now. It would be stupid for BrownBear to vote until his scum buddy got home to vote with him.
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That's the dumbest thing I've heard. Here's my PMs with d3. There is nothing different about my style. I don't like PMing because I don't believe that if you're townie you have something to hide, especially in the day time. PMing is like, oh hey, if I only talk to one person, he's less likely to find that I'm scummy. I thought you were scummy when you PM'd me because if you were townie there is no reason why you can't just ask me to analyze you in public.
I don't like PMs, that's not my style as a townie. The more information town has the better it is. Mafia can talk all they want in PM.
For you, hard to say. I'm trying to escalate this conflict between myself/Xelin as much as I can without getting myself lynched, so that there's more on an incentive for the Mafia to hit him, so that tomorrow it throws more suspicion back on me. Problem is that I jumped the gun a little too soon in prodding XeliN and so I actually might get lynched and thus cost us the game. Not too proud about that, but you live and you learn.
Should I die - we have a 3-2 scenario (here's to hoping Hobbes survives!) and we have a 2/3 chance of catching some scum. In the meantime, we need to gauge Xelin's reactions as best as possible. My gut and my experience tells me that johnnyspazz, not Xelin, is more likely to be mafia based on what we've seen so far (Xelin is consistently irrational and dumb, whereas johnny has never been known for playing aggressively). Brownbear strikes me as suspicious also.
Should I survive - if the Mafia is someone smart like RoL then he might not take the bait and hit you or Hobbes or someone else. I might decide to put my next check on someone that's currently flying low under the radar instead of you. That way the check will either return a red or we can use the process of elimination (3 confirmed town).
Of course, if I'm Mafia, well - I'd probably end up arranging to hit you anyway, because the rest of the town is either AFK or extremely misguided. Though it sort of leaves me wondering why I'd be agreeing to my own lynch now. On that note, that'll be a critical bandwagon to watch, should you actually not vote for me yourself. I wouldn't blame you.
If you're actually red then it's GG for town anyway, since I just blew it with an incredibly risky tactic and I'm telling you all of my plans - though if I end up dying tonight, I'm fairly certain it'll be either because of XeliN or you, or hey, maybe even BOTH of you! Then I guess you could just kill Hobbes and leave me alive with an incredibly scummy record and then BrownBear/you/XeliN could just get me lynched and it'd be game over.
But - I trust you. So when this is all over and you've won, I'll be sure to congratulate you on a job well done.
Cheers. =]
----------------------------------------- Original Message: And how do you propose I not get myself killed tonight?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I don't think you're a liar, otherwise I'd have to implement Abenson's LaL policy in the next game we play in.
I am the Detective. [nyc]hobbes is green.
Don't get yourself killed tonight. =]
----------------------------------------- Original Message: That's a moot point to ask.
I am townie: Of course you can trust me. I am a blue role: Of course you can trust me. I am mafia: I lie, of course you can trust me.
So yes, d3, you can trust me. Now do you have something useful to say?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: You have absolutely no reason to trust me, but I'm going to trust you. Can I trust you?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: What kind of message is that? xD
Are you mafia and blue-hunting? Are you trying to start a townie circle? If you're starting a townie circle why should I trust you?
If you wish to talk, please send a more well thought out message next time.
Thank you.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: I think you are green
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So what? You're just going to ignore everything in this game and just base everything on oh look hey BrownBear PM'd me. What a master plan, why didn't I think of that the first day?
I was the one who posted in the thread confirming you guys, BrownBear and RoL didn't believe you guys. So now I help out town and town comes back and bites me in the ass, fantastic.
Do I have to PM you and Hobbes now going OMG IM TOWN ITS ME ITS ME to prove that I'm town? Sounds like you're the one that's dumb and illogical.
Look guys, we have 10 pages of information and a bunch of PMs, let's just forget them because of one thing I asked people to do and oh hey, BrownBear is the odd one out! So if I had a little more time this morning and considered contacting Hobbes you would what? Decide immediately to lynch me and BrownBear because RoL is the only one who didn't respond?
If you're so intent on lynching me at least do me the favor of doing a proper analysis on me so I don't die thinking I got killed by the most illogical townie ever (thank god I asked d3 to check you last night or we'd have lost by now because I'm so convinced you're mafia, oh but I guess that won't matter now that you're going to lynch me anyway).
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RoL is probably going to be back soon, that's gg to BrownBear and RoL in a bit.
Good job XeliN, single-handedly bringing down the town. I couldn't have done a better job if I was mafia.
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How did I help? Do you see anyone else accusing me (other than BrownBear and RoL because that's like, duh)?
Hobbes and XeliN, I am town!! I am your only chance to win this game, don't throw it away!
There, I said it. Does that help my case? I'd hope not otherwise I certainly know how to win the next mafia game with you.
Don't be modest now, nobody's trying to steal credit from you. BrownBear not posting is more and more confirmation that he's mafia and just waiting for RoL to hammer me.
Remember if you're absolutely certain I am mafia and have to lynch me there's no reason you can't do it tomorrow AFTER you talk to Hobbes. Rushing is only beneficial for mafia.
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Funny, if I was mafia I'd think the first thing I would do is go OMG time to PM Hobbes and XeliN! Yes this is going to be sooo easy to win! I'm so glad I killed d3 last night because he wouldn't deal with any of this bullshit!
You so sure about BrownBear? Where is he hiding now huh? Let's see his posts: 2:46, 2:17, 14:04, 3:56, 13:51, 22:28, 22:59. Hmm, maybe RoL is actually waiting for BrownBear by the looks of the the time of BrownBear's posts (his last two posts being the ones defending himself and not at the same time as his other posts, do I smell a lurker here?). This guy's made a total of 7 posts (I went through pages 4-14 quickly, might be off) and did nothing for town and he comes by and claims townie to you and you believe him immediately after suspecting him last night? Unbelievable.
Yeah I posted an analysis of the situation rather than going "OMG IM TOWN I know I seem really sketchy but you just gotta believe me!" because I thought you would listen to reason. So I guess maybe it is my fault for forgetting you are totally illogical. You'd think I'd learn after seeing you do stupid things all game.
I'm still arguing with you on here because I am hoping Hobbes will at least be reasonable and read this before RoL and BrownBear both get online.
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Psssh, you're just saying that cuz you said it. xP
(I think, the quote is a bit messed up at the top)
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