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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
April 19 2010 18:38 GMT
#641
On April 19 2010 15:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 15:51 IntoTheWow wrote:
On April 19 2010 15:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
just curious ITW, what was the reason for your RoL vote?


Just an inactive vote placeholder.


Fair enough, it just looked like some random bandwagon was starting, looked off.


Too late.
The bandwagon has grown.
靈魂交響曲
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 19 2010 18:40 GMT
#642
On April 17 2010 00:00 jpak wrote:
Signing up.


On April 18 2010 09:00 jpak wrote:
Well I'm excited for this game! this is my first Mafia game, and let's have fun.


On April 18 2010 09:17 jpak wrote:
See you on day 1.


On April 19 2010 23:03 jpak wrote:
Uh, What did I miss?



The only 4 posts he has made this thread (two of which were before game start, 2 after).

You have just been auto flagged for worst townie slot. Someone who is excited to play, then a) hasn't posted anything and b) has failed to read the thread either makes you an uncaring/bad townie or obvious Mafia. Your now my vote.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
April 19 2010 18:42 GMT
#643
On April 20 2010 03:14 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
Vote changed to RebirthOfLegend because he has not made a post yet in this game, and I completly agree with voting off the least active person to begin with. Also I think a consensus may be met on this, as opposed to others.


Inactive* I really hate not being able to edit lol

Also how is Rage red? It makes sense to vote off somone who is not active, because the less they talk the less chance we have to learn their allegiances.

Question: Do we have to vote somone off? or is it just better to not vote anyone off because the chances are we will lynch an innocent?
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 19 2010 18:43 GMT
#644
On April 20 2010 03:38 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 15:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 19 2010 15:51 IntoTheWow wrote:
On April 19 2010 15:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
just curious ITW, what was the reason for your RoL vote?


Just an inactive vote placeholder.


Fair enough, it just looked like some random bandwagon was starting, looked off.


Too late.
The bandwagon has grown.


Yeah, sadly, I don't like the justification for it. Had Rage proposed what he did earlier, it wouldn't look so bad. But when someone is really inactive then hops out of the shadows to point at someone and say "lynch him" seems off to me.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
KF91
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada221 Posts
April 19 2010 18:50 GMT
#645
Alright, sorry I've been away, I'll write up a post with my thoughts before the day ends.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 19 2010 18:51 GMT
#646
On April 20 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote:
We really need a change of attitude here imo.

I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend

Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.

This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.


you are so red


So is motbob. hurr durr
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 18:53 GMT
#647
On April 20 2010 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:
On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote:
We really need a change of attitude here imo.

I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend

Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.

This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.


you are so red


So is motbob. hurr durr


i thought he was blue
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 18:53 GMT
#648
lol
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
April 19 2010 18:59 GMT
#649
Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board.

Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them?

1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist

I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now.

2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple

Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game?

3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak

I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well.

4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser

As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up.

Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 19 2010 18:59 GMT
#650
D3 posted a fairly decent list of "inactive" posters on the previous page. I am stealing said list for use of this post.

Alright, quick morning post before I go to work. I'm glad Jugan is starting to speak up. Here's the list of semi-inactives again, stolen from IntotheWow from some pages ago with some modifications -
+ Show Spoiler +

RebirthOfLegend
Scaramanga
RaGe
[NyC]HoBbes
Fulgrim
krndandaman
nbtnbt5
love1another
jpak
motbob


Now, of that list.

Rage has just started posting as of last page, to jump out of no where and point at RoL. This seems to me a very scummy sort of move.

Krndandaman has made no useful posts so far in this game. Hes don't a random one liner that didn't contribute.

Jpak I have already covered in a post above

scara has posted slightly more than a few others on the list, so i would give him a clear on a lynch target for the day.

RoL is really inactive, very off since hes normally really active.

Fulgrim is surprisingly inactive. He really needs to come out to justify it as well, not excusable based on his experience.

Motbob is being "inactive" really scummy at the moment.

The rest are all names that haven't raised red flags yet, but are stupidly inactive. Motbob and Jpak are the two most suspicious names off the list, followed by rage and RoL. Jpak is a more logical vote as he has given no real contribution nor appears too where as the other three might.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
TheLardyGooser
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada145 Posts
April 19 2010 19:02 GMT
#651
On April 20 2010 03:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 03:38 Fishball wrote:
On April 19 2010 15:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 19 2010 15:51 IntoTheWow wrote:
On April 19 2010 15:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
just curious ITW, what was the reason for your RoL vote?


Just an inactive vote placeholder.


Fair enough, it just looked like some random bandwagon was starting, looked off.


Too late.
The bandwagon has grown.


Yeah, sadly, I don't like the justification for it. Had Rage proposed what he did earlier, it wouldn't look so bad. But when someone is really inactive then hops out of the shadows to point at someone and say "lynch him" seems off to me.


Reasons why this argument makes no sense:

-Its really more of a consolidation of the current sentiment than a random ``lynch him``
-It is the first attempt since BM's assassins creed to do anything cooperatively but yell at each other
-At this point there has been zero suspicion leveled at him, so why would he even try and redirect attention?
-RoL is actually the least active player, and even if we mis-lynch him it has the pragmatic effect of a) killing a lurking red or b) getting rid of a towny who is not contributing, not going to contribute and just wasting space
-Do you have a better idea? If so, lets hear it?
"Dust bit makes mountains"
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
April 19 2010 19:07 GMT
#652
On April 20 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote:
We really need a change of attitude here imo.

I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend

Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.

This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.


you are so red



.. thanks?

Way to continue your spree of just spreading confusion. If you come up with a reason why this would hurt town I'll happily listen. But you just continue the problem I addressed.

Is this really what you're going to do all mafia game? Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green".

Town, we must unite. If my proposition doesn't suit you, shoot it down with reasoning. If we're going to allow any idea to be shot down with 'you are so red' I have no idea how people want to achieve something.

If behavior inherently disrupts the town's chances of winning we should not hesitate to banish it.
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 19 2010 19:20 GMT
#653
I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag:

Reasoning:


RebirthOfLegend (4)
BloodyC0bbler
Fishball
RaGe
IntoTheWow

Falcynn


Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:21 GMT
#654
On April 20 2010 04:07 RaGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:
On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote:
We really need a change of attitude here imo.

I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend

Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.

This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.


you are so red



.. thanks?

Way to continue your spree of just spreading confusion. If you come up with a reason why this would hurt town I'll happily listen. But you just continue the problem I addressed.

Is this really what you're going to do all mafia game? Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green".

Town, we must unite. If my proposition doesn't suit you, shoot it down with reasoning. If we're going to allow any idea to be shot down with 'you are so red' I have no idea how people want to achieve something.

If behavior inherently disrupts the town's chances of winning we should not hesitate to banish it.



i was making a joke about you being a red moderator, man.


am i going to "Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green"."

that would be my normal behavior, yea, glad you picked up on that. i'll make my good cases on later days when I have more information on who is mafia

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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:21 GMT
#655
On April 20 2010 04:20 Caller wrote:
I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag:

Reasoning:

Show nested quote +

RebirthOfLegend (4)
BloodyC0bbler
Fishball
RaGe
IntoTheWow

Falcynn


Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out.


I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:24 GMT
#656
On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote:
Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board.

Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them?

1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist

I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now.

2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple

Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game?

3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak

I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well.

4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser

As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up.

Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far.


it's day 1 bro... the difference is i'm not taking day 1 seriously. what cases can i possibly make with no information? Also, why are you so considered to get a lynch right now? We have tons of time before the deadline. Care to explain?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:24 GMT
#657
ebwop: concerned*
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:25 GMT
#658
I'd also like to add that I get townie vibes from your entire list, crescentia.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:25 GMT
#659
well, besides maybe RoL, you can't get vibes from someone who is afk
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
April 19 2010 19:25 GMT
#660
I feel like we're finally moving forward here guys. This is good. I agree with pretty much all the above posts(d3, Rage, BC, lardygooser), even if some of them seem at odds to each other. Putting down names and narrowing it from there. It's the only way we'll get our twenty votes. Personally I think the best names on the lists right now are RoL and Jpak. I think BM, Jugan and Caller should all be set aside for now, they're active at the very least and there's no twenty vote reason to go after any of them. Out of Jpak and RoL I think we should focus on Jpak, mostly because I fear RoL all of a sudden showing with a "so sorry guys, all this crazy stuff just happened and I haven't been able to post"(whether legit or not) and that it might split the vote back up given he's a veteren and all. Jpak has been around at least, but just not contributed a single thing. I think it likely he'll pop in to vote(and avoid being modkilled), but not much more than that. He's getting my vote, but if it makes more sense to go after someone else i'm certainly willing to change.

Lets keep the discussion rolling, we have 3 or 4 names we're considering, lets keep whittling it down. It would be nice to have a large consensus here, and not just scrape by with 20 votes.
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