EPTJpak on the other hand has not posted anything useful at all. (I think he's only made 4 posts so far post-Day1?)
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
Jpak on the other hand has not posted anything useful at all. (I think he's only made 4 posts so far post-Day1?) | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote: Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit You know, it's quite hard to take someone seriously when they break one of the biggest and easiest to follow rules in the game. Additionally, feel free to go over my posts again - they: 1) Are much more constructive than your post. 2) Offer ideas based on logical reasoning. 3) Urge people not to do anything irrational. Obviously my posts have not reached you, as the only thing more nonsensical than your accusations is your posting. I'm glad you broke the rules of the game to let us know you are watching one piece. Feel free to actually contribute ONE POST backed up with solid reasoning and evidence. It would be helpful if you showed how my posts are "nonsenseical crap" as you have put it. BTW, it's spelled 'nonsensical'. On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote: 3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well. I would like to warn you about identifying yourself with Scaramanga. His reasoning for voting for me was because he believes solid logic is "nonsenseical crap". While I do concede the fact that I trolled a little at the start, most of my posts have been well constructed and thought out. Additionally, I have continually encouraged rational and logical discussion in each of my constructive posts. It honestly seems that either Scaramanga is either retarded or too lazy to actually make an effort to actually back up his posts with evidence and examples. On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him) I actually started posting seriously to lay the smackdown on IntoTheWow. If I continued posting like a troll, it would be hard to get people to take me seriously. You see how I used LOGIC there? I've given more ideas toward the town than you have, but keep up the good work by showing us how smart you are. On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. Because your posts are filled with whining and assumptions. On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o It's day 1. Read one of my several posts that explains, for simpletons such as yourself, that you can't read too much into a person's alleged "inactivity" on the first day because the game is just getting started. There is this imaginary thing people like to play called "life". Now, while it may seem absurd to you that people will waste time on such a silly game, some people take this "life" thing seriously. Stop whining before reading. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o Also I'd like to point out that that game he was pretty inactive Day 1 and got a lot of suspicion. (and he was town) | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On April 20 2010 04:34 Caller wrote: Actually, I feel such a vibe of suspicion towards Rage from that last post. I have no idea why but that entire post sounds like something I would write when I'm scum. Instead of using words like "us" and "me" he's using very neutral words like "town." This is something I always do in order to avoid sounding scummy. Not to mention he's framing his "let's not discuss" nonsense as a contribution to the town. How is this different from a politer version of "shut the copulation<courtesy of flamewheel and qatol> up?" It's not at all, and all it serves to do is give inactives a further reason to escape. He's also playing the whole "voice of reason" card, which is something I try to do as mafia because it's so easy to seem so pro-town by doing so, even if you're doing jackhumansolidwaste<courtesy of flamewheel and qatol> in the process. ##FOS: Rage Meh, everybody writes differently. I don't think there is much to learn from thinking like this. Some scum probably go out of their way to say things like "we should do x," "xyz is bad for us," because they wanna sound like part of the gang. I agree more with BC saying that one inactive jumping out to accuse another is something kinda weird... as if people would just forget he was just recently inactive too? Granted it was the weekend, so you can't really verify inactivity or not which sucks. But a move like that was pretty ballsy and a bandwagon is already starting around it. I do agree about the framing of his post though, basically saying "well we will never agree on lynching someone suspicious, so lets lynch this other inactive person!" On the surface it appears to be a very neutral plan but there are definitely some issues here and i'd like to halfway echo you sentiments | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
However, I will do something I don't like to do very often. Look at the past to prove the present. Me appearing inactive means absolutely nothing. The last three games I had shit going on and went inactive for a day or so, nearly got lynched then the next day nailed a red. If you give me the time and don't kill me, I will produce results and I will get reds. All I need is to actually survive one day. If I am forced to rush through reading the entire thread I am bound to miss something. I am pretty decent at behavior analysis and later in the game I will definitely be able to nab mafia for us. Just give me the chance. I am on page 21 at the moment, I am working on catching up. I will not propose any lynch candidates right now because quite frankly I do not feel comfortable doing so without being up to date. I am not an inactive player, and you'd be a fool to vote me. My weekends just always get jacked up with work, in the last 3 days I worked 30 hours. Friday I had school 10-2, work 3-7, Saturday 10am to 10pm, Sunday 8am to 6pm, then started reading mafia got tired and went to sleep. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
There are much more juicy targets... especially now that RoL is now active. It's only Day 1 so some level of inactivity should be excused. Is there any reason for lynching jpak other than he's been inactive/shitty one liner posting? Caller makes a good point about Rage. When I'm red I try to do the same thing... and you're just that much more aware of making it sound like you're working as a group. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On April 20 2010 05:03 CynanMachae wrote: Also I'd like to point out that that game he was pretty inactive Day 1 and got a lot of suspicion. (and he was town) Which is in line with what I have been saying. On April 20 2010 05:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: In my defense as I catch up. I have had a very busy time. ... I am not an inactive player, and you'd be a fool to vote me. My weekends just always get jacked up with work, in the last 3 days I worked 30 hours. Friday I had school 10-2, work 3-7, Saturday 10am to 10pm, Sunday 8am to 6pm, then started reading mafia got tired and went to sleep. Which supports and proves the logical reasoning I have been using which resulted in me getting flak for by some unruly and thoughtless posters. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
The Assassin role will work like this. Early on they will behavior analyze like crazy and use their role checks in attempt to confirm each thought. If they guess correctly they will kill another Assassin the following night. However we should expect the amount of kills happening every night to increase a lot on night 3, when the Assassin's use up both role checks and have to result to just killing people. At that point, chances are they are likely going to hit more mafia members then town and it becomes a sort of Russian roulette game. The assassin's hope to hit each other, but will start annihilating both sides. Until then however, I would expect assassin's to be contributing like a blue role. Trying to contribute as little as possible so they can coast on by, because they don't want to appear like mafia to the town and post negative, and they don't want to help too much so the mafia kills them. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
On April 20 2010 04:24 Bill Murray wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote: Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board. Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them? 1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now. 2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game? 3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well. 4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up. Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far. it's day 1 bro... the difference is i'm not taking day 1 seriously. what cases can i possibly make with no information? Also, why are you so considered to get a lynch right now? We have tons of time before the deadline. Care to explain? Point taken. I'm trying to encourage people to vote well-before the deadline and to give them suggestions as how to do it. I don't want a repeat of Mafia XVI where suddenly 7 townies die due to inactivity and there's no way for town to come back; seeing this many inactives right now is really bothering me. I'd also prefer there to be a lynch so we can at least get SOME information but I'd rather have everyone vote and a no-lynch than a lynch and 10 dead inactives. Here's something I'd like to point out while I'm still here: love1another has been active on TL recently, but not active here. Why? | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On April 19 2010 13:53 Incognito wrote: Time to pull out the accusation gun. Osmoses: This is his first real post. He plays the I'm a newbie card, and proceeds to ask a question that is already being discussed. No contribution here. He also makes preemptive excuses for his posting, emphasizing that he is a newbie, but...you get the picture. Check out TL Mafia V for an example of Tricode pulling the same stunt. From experience, new pro-town players would not try to emphasize their newbiness, as it adds a burden for the town. On the other hand, new mafia players tend to use this to excuse their useless behavior. Panic usually sets in and they try to play the im confused card. More confusion. How ironic. Anyway...Ok...So its tiring trying to find out who is who...but you haven't said anything yet about what you HAVE found out. Oh you also say there's little information to go on? Yeah I'm sure its very tiring to look for information that's not there...in which case you might as well just have given up. Oops! Well, if you're so tired trying to information, surely you must have found at least something. Spit it out. We want to hear it. Again with this? I'm really sorry, but I AM a newbie and I AM confused, I don't know what to say. I'm just trying to be active and participate, but I don't know what to look for or what angles to analyze from. :/ But in my defense, in the first post you quoted I was giving what I thought was a pretty rational opinion on the double lynch and in the second post I personally thought I was being helpful, sorting out the assassin roles. The point I was trying to get across was that we shouldn't be focusing on them, spending all our time trying to figure out how to get them to work in our advantage seems pretty wasteful to me. How is this not an honest attempt at contribution? But alright, let me tell you exactly why I think BC and Zona are suspicious: On April 18 2010 05:16 Zona wrote: Wait, what? You claim to be one of the "big names" and you are already giving yourself an excuse for low activity? Seems like a convenient excuse so you produce fewer chances of slipping up and revealing yourself if you were mafia. While this might seem a perfectly reasonable argument, in fact I'd say it might've been one of the reasons I suspect BC, but the fact that it comes from Zona and is directed at BC is what made me suspicious. Both are supposedly veterans who ought to be at least decent at hiding their agenda, but Zona is accusing BC of taking a backseat because he's afraid he'll screw up. It just struck me as an odd way to start, too agressive, and seemed like a mock fight to direct attention away from Zona. Are you kidding? You really think that in a game where most players cannot PM, someone would both be able to PM and DT check? As well - all the roles have been revealed in the game, none of the abilities are hidden. Why would you even consider that DTs would be able to PM as well? Detectives need to target players with the aim of finding mafia in a game with no out of thread communications with fellow players. Why? With no out of thread communications with fellow players the usefulness of finding a fellow town player is greatly diminished. It probably isn't a good idea to claim detective early in the game unless you're close to being lynched. If the town already has some suspicion on someone you have checked to be mafia, you should keep up the pressure. However, early in the game it'll be difficult to go after someone you found red if the rest of the town isn't suspicious of them, so keep your result under your hat and pay attention to what this person does, and later on see if you can identify this person's teammates, or go after them once they create more suspicion upon themselves. If the town is getting killed off and is approaching a loss, AT THAT POINT you probably want to claim if you've found some red. You may also want to be more aggressive in going after someone if lynching that person would take mafia numbers from odd to even, which will reduce their KP by one (a big deal in a game such as this). OK, this seemed at first like a bunch of weird jibber jabber to me. First of all BC is a veteran but didn't even bother to read the rules, which is what Zona immediately jumps on. But lets be honest, do you ever read a manual unless you can't figure something out? I never do, and I'm guessing BC simply didn't bother either because he assumed something or because he couldn't be assed, either way, how is lazyness a mark of scum? His whole attack was just stupid, he's basically jumping on BC for not knowing the rules and their implications. He's grasping at straws, trying to find any reason to jump on BC. This seemed a scummy move to me. Curious. If medics do what you instruct them to do, then if any of these players are town, it makes them easy to kill at night and easy for the mafia to deprive the town of their ability. But actually from my point of view the only player on this list that I would really try to keep around if town would be Ace. I haven't seen Caller being particularly useful as a town player, nor you, especially in this type of setup. You seem to be strongest in games where PMs are allowed, even your plans contain hopes that DTs are able to PM. The "build a town PM circle and then DT-check/confirm everyone" strategy doesn't work here, and at least from my view that seems to be your strength, rather than people analysis. In fact in past games as a prominent pro-town player you've heavily advocated lynching players who ended up being town when you couldn't rely on DT-checks and other ways to confirm. This was the only reasonable argument he made, and the one reason I considered whether Zona wasn't just being stupid in his other posts and had a lucky brainwave here. BC is playing the benevolent veteran, but he's overdoing it, like a big Santa Claus, and this along with the very next part of the above quote: Let us live or die based on actions. Our deaths will take a bit of experience out of the town, but if we are red and survive, we will be caught very very quickly and offed by town from it. is what really got me wondering about BC. Live or die based on actions? Who's actions? The mafia's obviously, as they're the only ones the medics can protect them against (if I understood their role right). And then he says "if we are red and survive, we will be caught very very quickly" so what was the PROBLEM!? His whole strategy is one big oxymoron. And basically, as he suddenly appreared very scummy, I started having second thoughts about Zona, though if they're working together that might've been their plan. Third option is BC had a short cirquit and Zona jumped at the chance of getting something of actual merit to accuse him with. And lately I've started to suspect Jugan. To be perfectly honest, I have no good reasoning for this, he's just being really annoying and I'd take any excuse to get him the hell out of here. -_- Also, Radfield, please don't insult me by saying I was jumping on Bill Murrays bandwagon, because imo its a failtrain, I honestly thought his assassin strategy was a joke. In conclusion, I'm with RaGe on the whole FoS thing, can we at least wait until we have some semblance of information before we lynch people who are at least active and participating? By all means if you wanna point the FoS at me, do so, but have some merit to your arguments, don't just lynch me for trying to be useful. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On April 20 2010 05:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Until then however, I would expect assassin's to be contributing like a blue role. Trying to contribute as little as possible so they can coast on by, because they don't want to appear like mafia to the town and post negative, and they don't want to help too much so the mafia kills them. Actually, I would think that the Assassins want the mafia to do well (initially) in the hopes that they kill an assassin, even if it is slightly more dangerous. I believe that up until a point the Assassins gain more from wanting the mafia to do well at the start, and thus we should not count on them for any help. On April 20 2010 05:31 d3_crescentia wrote: A jpak is fine too. Why, because he votes with you? On April 20 2010 05:31 d3_crescentia wrote: I'm trying to encourage people to vote well-before the deadline and to give them suggestions as how to do it. I don't want a repeat of Mafia XVI where suddenly 7 townies die due to inactivity and there's no way for town to come back; seeing this many inactives right now is really bothering me. Which Mafia XVI are you referring to? There were two. Also, don't let it bother you. You yourself are barely active, and it's only the first day. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Since then we went straight to XVIII. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
Congratulations meeple and Infundibulum, you just earned yourself a place on my suspect list as 3rd and 4th voters. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On April 20 2010 05:51 flamewheel91 wrote: Actually BC's game should've been counted as XVII :O Since then we went straight to XVIII. Thanks for the clarification. While there were mod kills in XVI, I managed to do work behind the scenes and convince the mayor (meeples) and other people (citi.zen, and several others) of who the mafia members were. In the end we were able to lynch all the mafia members in two days. So the town can still win with inactives, it just takes logical reasoning and solid analysis. Not something ridiculous, nonconstructive, illogical, and without reasoning such as this: On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote: Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On April 20 2010 05:56 Caller wrote: where the hell did this rage bandwagon come from? Congratulations meeple and Infundibulum, you just earned yourself a place on my suspect list as 3rd and 4th voters. Parading around announcing "You have just earned yourself a place on my suspect list, [name]" is certainly not helping your image nor your campaign for support. I also urge you to provide at least semi in-depth analysis to go around with your announcements (which seems like that's all you're doing now) so that we may understand WHY you are find someone suspect. | ||
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote: Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit Whoa, I completely missed this edit... Scara, do you mind explaining yourself for this? The sentence you added in was completely unnecessary and it could have been made as a double post if you REALLY wanted to say it. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
Precisely why; he voted (with me) for you with no stated reasoning at all. Not exactly sure how I feel about that. On April 20 2010 05:31 d3_crescentia wrote: I'm trying to encourage people to vote well-before the deadline and to give them suggestions as how to do it. I don't want a repeat of Mafia XVI where suddenly 7 townies die due to inactivity and there's no way for town to come back; seeing this many inactives right now is really bothering me. Which Mafia XVI are you referring to? There were two. Also, don't let it bother you. You yourself are barely active, and it's only the first day.[/QUOTE] BC's Mafia XVI, the first game I played in. I say 'bother' only in a "this could ACTUALLY cost us the game" sense; I don't mind if people don't post often as long as they try to make posts of substance. Also, it's sentences like the last one that grates on my (and maybe others') nerves. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On April 20 2010 05:56 Caller wrote: where the hell did this rage bandwagon come from? Congratulations meeple and Infundibulum, you just earned yourself a place on my suspect list as 3rd and 4th voters. dang, i guess i should have waited to vote fifth  | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 20 2010 04:57 KF91 wrote: Alright, now that we can see that RoL is back and he is trying to catch up on what has been happening, I am changing my vote to jpak. Agreeing with Infun, I believe that RoL can be asset to the town because he is able to give detailed insight. Jpak on the other hand has not posted anything useful at all. (I think he's only made 4 posts so far post-Day1?) I don't understand this at fucking all. When you are green you have big posts, and I had you written off as green, but your shift towards smaller posts is AWAY from your green meta and really had me thinking that you are red. Let's lynch KF91. On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. Well, I don't find you annoying, but when you are green you tend to come out and actually accuse people instead of squirming and getting defensive with very short posts. When you are green you craft elaborate posts, and you are not doing that, so therefore you will flip scum when we lynch you. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On April 20 2010 06:03 KF91 wrote: Whoa, I completely missed this edit... Scara, do you mind explaining yourself for this? The sentence you added in was completely unnecessary and it could have been made as a double post if you REALLY wanted to say it. Which is why I urged you to READ MY POSTS instead of reading the last 3 posts in the thread before whining about everything. On April 20 2010 06:03 d3_crescentia wrote: BC's Mafia XVI, the first game I played in. I say 'bother' only in a "this could ACTUALLY cost us the game" sense; I don't mind if people don't post often as long as they try to make posts of substance Thanks for clarifying. I understand where you are coming from, we all want a good game. On April 20 2010 06:03 d3_crescentia wrote: Also, it's sentences like the last one that grates on my (and maybe others' nerves. And what gets on my nerves is people being stupid and making attacks on me that hold no relevancy or logical argument in them. I welcome any criticism backed up with reasoning an evidence. I have seen little to none of that so far. I make statements like the one you referenced on purpose. | ||
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