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On April 19 2010 09:29 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 09:24 Bill Murray wrote:
I've also found Caller's play to be rather scummy. If we can't lynch Zona, I'm for lynching Caller. As far as I'm concerned this is a terrible way to go about this. Don't just say "Caller's scummy". Give us some reasons, lay down some facts. As far as I can tell, both Caller and Zona have seemed legit enough for me, at least for Day 1. Why are you so quick to vote for these players when they could be an asset in the future, and when it makes much more sense to vote out some of the least active players. Lets not do the mafia's job for them.
It's a day 1 lynch, dude. What information could I possibly have? I play Nature instead of Nurture, and I play with my gut, and I feel like Caller is acting the way he did when he was Sumiyoshi.
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On April 19 2010 07:32 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 07:29 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On April 19 2010 07:16 Caller wrote:On April 19 2010 07:11 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
I actually thought Caller's first post was pretty good because it rerailed the town discussion away from BM's plan, which had been beat to death. He also identified the sort of non committal passerby posts that people need to watch for and remember. However, I'm not sure how he arrived at the conclusion that Ace's strong accusations are the signs of a pro-town player. The wifom part was incorrect, and the part about inexperienced players posting more is basically an obvious truthism; pointing out something like that has no bearing on his innocence or guilt and so garners no points from me.
and why Nai Protoss all of a sudden? he's just about as useful as all the other semi-inactives. Killing him doesn't really tell us much at all, i don't think...and at least he's posting now that we're talking about him in the thread. To be honest, now that I read it again, your post wasn't as much of a WifoM as I had thought the first time. The reason I suspect nai.protoss now is because he demonstrated that while he reads the posts, he doesn't read the posts. Not only that, but he came out of nowhere to do the very thing I said not to do and left without responding to my allegations. I can see the situation very clearly (this happened to me multiple times in the previous mafia as follows): a) I make a retarded post. LMNOP and Shinbi-chan are like WTF CALLER UR A FUCKIN MORON b) They tell me to stfu and Shinbi-chan posts a load of bullcrap to derail anybody from noticing my fishy as shit posts. c) everything goes back to normal. What's to think the same thing didn't happen here? If you look at other threads you will see this is my first game. The two mafia type players you described before were the quite members that pretty much agreed with townies and offered no opinion themselves, and the experienced mafia members which appeared to be extremely pro-town. Now why would an inexperienced member of the mafia do the exact thing that you just stated as showing mafia members. No reason what so ever. An inexperienced townie however that doesn't want to get lynched for being inactive, but also is to inexperienced to actually add anything to the conversation has nothing to lose from agreeing with the "experienced townie". You're already judging yourself to having nothing to add? Are you kidding? I'm telling you this now: whenever "experienced townies" take control of the town, town tends to lose pretty hard. Say something! We need people to think outside of the box, both in game and for the metagame. What do you have to say? Do you have anything to say? Would you even like to justify your vote for me? Just because some "big name" player with a x000 post count is talking doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. Look at me or L for instance. We need inexperienced players to think outside of the mafia box to give us better ideas for gameplay. Say something!
I said something and you called me out for being a crap poster. I was trying to figure stuff out, apparently I shouldn't do so out loud. You want clear and concise, how about this:
1. BC entered a game which he seems uninterested in winning and even seems to advocate getting lynched. He is either A) wasting his time or B) reverse psychology scum.
2. Ace and Caller are supposed to know what they're doing but they're shitting all over each other. I suspect at least one of them may be scum.
3. Caller is trying to play the good cop:
Just because some "big name" player with a x000 post count is talking doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. Look at me or L for instance. We need inexperienced players to think outside of the mafia box to give us better ideas for gameplay. Say something!
I had a 4th bullet but I lost my train of thought.
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On April 19 2010 09:05 Roffles wrote:
Yes, you could play it safe and kill off someone who's not doing anything, but I'd still say go big or go home. I think since we have some various factions at the moment, while it might not be the greatest idea, if we could kill off one of them, we might be able to grab a whiff at allegiances this early on in the game.
This is a good mentality to have. However, I think it's important to note that you can always tell who is active by who actually votes, and their pattern of voting. That is also a big reason why you don't need to worry about people that don't say anything... at first.
On April 19 2010 09:31 TheLardyGooser wrote:
Just an idea, but could some of you fire hardened TLers offer up some good day 1 town strategies that have performed well in the past? It might help to re-focus the debate somewhat
I think the general strategy is to think as objectively as possible using the clues given. However, we can't do that as we are missing two very important parts - clues, and people thinking objectively. I expect there are going to be roughly 7 people dead tonight - 4 from Mafia, 1 from lynch, 2 from assassin. The best course of action right now, in my eyes, is to just accept it and analyze what people are saying.
On April 19 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote:
So this is the list of people "inactives" who have posted after Caller's post:
- Fishball (Haven't expressed much thoughts, but according to him, he's only been up for about 2 hours)
- TheLardyGooser (Pushing for a new plan)
- tree.hugger (Talks about Abenson)
- Roffles (Just woke up from OSL tiebreakers)
Means nothing. Some people were sleeping. Some people have stuff to do IRL. Some people like to lurk. It can be interpreted in a million ways. And I think I misinterpreted your post when I read it due to the environment I was in, but I still want to lynch you :D
On April 19 2010 07:21 Caller wrote: I'm not entirely sure if you're trying to be ironic or what, but you just put yourself on my suspect list.
OH NOES!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!1!111!1!!!ONE!!11! 
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On April 19 2010 10:08 Osmoses wrote:
2. Ace and Caller are supposed to know what they're doing but they're shitting all over each other. I suspect at least one of them may be scum.
I think it's just two big egos duking it out. The power of the E-PENIS!
note: this post went up while I was crafting my previous one.
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Also scum = mafia? Scum is quite a harsh word lol.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
First vote count up. For your convenience, remember that the vote count will be displayed in the thirdfourth (I can't count.) post of this thread whenever I update it.
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On April 19 2010 10:18 flamewheel91 wrote:
First vote count up. For your convenience, remember that the vote count will be displayed in the thirdfourth (I can't count.) post of this thread whenever I update it.
Ah this is really helpful. Thanks flame! Btw, which mafia game was your first?
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Bill Murray (3)
motbob
[s]Ace[s]
AcrossFiveJulys
meeple
Typo flame. Should be (4) not 3.
AWWW I can't believe people want to lynch me! I'm so loveable! Like a goat!
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On April 19 2010 09:31 TheLardyGooser wrote:
Just an idea, but could some of you fire hardened TLers offer up some good day 1 town strategies that have performed well in the past? It might help to re-focus the debate somewhat
Here's the problem. There's really no one surefire way to go about it. Often, an inactive player is lynched, and occasionally someone gets bandwagon-ed out if they've been posting stupidly, or made an early mistake. But almost always, it's a shot in the dark.
The point of Day 1 lynches is to get people to debate, get people out in the open, and to get everyone on the record making a potential mafia tell.
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On April 19 2010 10:20 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 10:18 flamewheel91 wrote:
First vote count up. For your convenience, remember that the vote count will be displayed in the thirdfourth (I can't count.) post of this thread whenever I update it. Ah this is really helpful. Thanks flame! Btw, which mafia game was your first?
XVI. I've been around ever since.
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On April 19 2010 10:22 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 10:20 Jugan wrote:On April 19 2010 10:18 flamewheel91 wrote:
First vote count up. For your convenience, remember that the vote count will be displayed in the thirdfourth (I can't count.) post of this thread whenever I update it. Ah this is really helpful. Thanks flame! Btw, which mafia game was your first? XVI. I've been around ever since.
Ahhh I remember that one! I convinced everyone not to lynch you because of the beijing man 
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On April 19 2010 10:23 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 10:22 flamewheel91 wrote:On April 19 2010 10:20 Jugan wrote:On April 19 2010 10:18 flamewheel91 wrote:
First vote count up. For your convenience, remember that the vote count will be displayed in the thirdfourth (I can't count.) post of this thread whenever I update it. Ah this is really helpful. Thanks flame! Btw, which mafia game was your first? XVI. I've been around ever since. Ahhh I remember that one! I convinced everyone not to lynch you because of the beijing man
I actually remember something different (and just recently reread XVI, XVIII, and my failed XX), but sure haha.
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I did a lot of work behind the scenes as well in that one
you can ask bill about that one LOL.
Just realized in this version you need a clear majority to lynch.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Reading through the last few pages, I'd also like you to consolidate your posts, Bill MurrayJugan.
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I think I'm just gonna afk out until someone smart starts posting. I'd rather play than teach this game.
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On April 19 2010 10:21 Jugan wrote:
Bill Murray (3)
motbob
[s]Ace[s]
AcrossFiveJulys
meeple
Typo flame. Should be (4) not 3.
AWWW I can't believe people want to lynch me! I'm so loveable! Like a goat!
Actually, 3 is correct. Ace changed his vote. He really just missed a / which gives him a strikethrough.
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On April 19 2010 10:38 flamewheel91 wrote:
Reading through the last few pages, I'd also like you to consolidate your posts, Bill MurrayJugan.
They are consolidated.
@ qatol: I don't normally use that feature, so I didn't recognize it at first. I got it after I saw it though.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 19 2010 10:11 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 09:05 Roffles wrote:
Yes, you could play it safe and kill off someone who's not doing anything, but I'd still say go big or go home. I think since we have some various factions at the moment, while it might not be the greatest idea, if we could kill off one of them, we might be able to grab a whiff at allegiances this early on in the game. This is a good mentality to have. However, I think it's important to note that you can always tell who is active by who actually votes, and their pattern of voting. That is also a big reason why you don't need to worry about people that don't say anything... at first. Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 09:31 TheLardyGooser wrote:
Just an idea, but could some of you fire hardened TLers offer up some good day 1 town strategies that have performed well in the past? It might help to re-focus the debate somewhat I think the general strategy is to think as objectively as possible using the clues given. However, we can't do that as we are missing two very important parts - clues, and people thinking objectively. I expect there are going to be roughly 7 people dead tonight - 4 from Mafia, 1 from lynch, 2 from assassin. The best course of action right now, in my eyes, is to just accept it and analyze what people are saying. Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote:
So this is the list of people "inactives" who have posted after Caller's post:
- Fishball (Haven't expressed much thoughts, but according to him, he's only been up for about 2 hours)
- TheLardyGooser (Pushing for a new plan)
- tree.hugger (Talks about Abenson)
- Roffles (Just woke up from OSL tiebreakers)
Means nothing. Some people were sleeping. Some people have stuff to do IRL. Some people like to lurk. It can be interpreted in a million ways. And I think I misinterpreted your post when I read it due to the environment I was in, but I still want to lynch you :D Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 07:21 Caller wrote: I'm not entirely sure if you're trying to be ironic or what, but you just put yourself on my suspect list. OH NOES!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!1!111!1!!!ONE!!11!
On April 19 2010 10:13 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 10:08 Osmoses wrote:
2. Ace and Caller are supposed to know what they're doing but they're shitting all over each other. I suspect at least one of them may be scum. I think it's just two big egos duking it out. The power of the E-PENIS! note: this post went up while I was crafting my previous one.
On April 19 2010 10:15 Jugan wrote:
Also scum = mafia? Scum is quite a harsh word lol.
You have three consecutive posts marked within 5 minutes of each other. Those can be made into one post.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Here's the way I see it right now, We have two options, vote for someone who we happen to think is scummy, or vote for someone who is inactive. There is a very big problem with option 1, it takes twenty votes to secure a lynch. It seems highly unlikely that we can rally 20 votes against an active poster at this junction. Why? Because we're all just guessing, and no one can has enough info to convince anyone else. Look at the voting right now, we have 16 votes spread over 9 people. This will not work.
Therefore, if we want to be able to lynch, we need to settle on someone we can agree on. We all agree that inactive players are bad, so lets get a list and pick some names out. One thing worth noting though, we don't want to waste a lynch on someone who's going to get modkilled anyways. So lets focus on the people who are inactive in the thread, and yet still throw down a vote.
As far as I can tell, these folks still have not posted, or at least haven't posted much. However, none of them have voted either.
nbtnbt5
krndandaman
Elemenope
rebirth of legend
RaGe
Jadefist
jpak
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On April 19 2010 10:42 Ace wrote:
I think I'm just gonna afk out until someone smart starts posting. I'd rather play than teach this game.
Ok I posted.
Carry on.
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