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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On April 01 2010 05:14 XeliN wrote: If you are townie your strategy was idiotic as the mafia are unlikely even to have any nukes, and if they do they are sparse. Answer my question first | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
So starting with this idea "XeliN is not Mafia" then work towards logical conclusions based on what has been posted in this thread. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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XeliN
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On April 01 2010 05:18 XeliN wrote: Abenson, if your going to try to grasp ideas start with this one, Would Ace give a mafia member the ability to lanuch nukes anonymously at a town member of their choice. If you come through with the logical conclusion "No he would not, in fact he is unlikely even to give them nukes" then you are left with the result "XeliN is not Mafia" So starting with this idea "XeliN is not Mafia" then work towards logical conclusions based on what has been posted in this thread. This is your best defence? Ace has never stated whether the scum will get nukes or not. In fact, On March 21 2010 09:52 Ace wrote: + Show Spoiler + You are "country" ("town/scum",role) You have X nuclear missiles. You win if bla bla bla Special abilities: In no place of the first page that Ace states that the mafia will not get nukes. If I am mistaken, feel free to correct me. The main point is this: I personally think extremely highly of Ace. I do not think he will try to rig a mafia game, almost all the recent mafia games have their roles chosen with an RNG, and are not picked by the moderator. I (and perhaps the rest of the town) want to know your thoughts. I do not want to hear how you think Ace set up this game, it is already mentioned that the roles and abilities are all secret. I will give you the benefit of doubt I want to know why you "fake" nuked Zona | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On April 01 2010 05:19 XeliN wrote: Neway I throw in the towl at this point GG. On April 01 2010 05:20 XeliN wrote: I'm going to take back the towl and instead chuck in this towel i stumbled upon. You admit to being mafia? Please, we just want you to explain yourself | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I explained why I fake nuked zona in a post on the last page, It was a spur of the moment descision and I kinda liked the idea of potentially keeping the mafia in a state of panic as to whether it was real or not. I don't care if you do not want to hear how I think ace set up this game, it is important to emphasise. The mafia clearly have a roleblocker ability, Ace simply would not give them the ability to anonymously nuke even if they didn't have roleblocker, obviously I can know this 100% as I know my own role and alignment but It seems something so inherently obvious that I can't understand why you would dismiss it and any attempts to rationalise how this game was set up. Earlier on in the thread Ace wrote that he would not specify certain things because he wanted the town to use their heads on how the game was structured and how roles//actions are implemented and achieved. Do so... | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On April 01 2010 02:09 XeliN wrote: Also Elemenope had a lot to say at a quite early stage and yet now the only post I have seen him make is a comparatively short "are you kidding Vote Xelin" one. A mafia who has succesfully created the illusion of being both active and pro-town who now feels comfortable lurking in the shadows to respond sparingly? What am I supposed to do, somehow post while sleeping? The final day, no new information was shown other than Nikon being dumb and wasting an anti nuke. I was around for the night post to be thrown up and saw that you nuked Zona about 5 minutes after and voted you. Not that difficult a leap in logic. As for the current situation: The possible third party discussion Mafia can kill 1 player per night no matter how many of them are alive. When I first read this, it seemed that Ace is allowing scum to have a max of one night kill, even if there's one or even if there's 2 billion of them. I think if he wanted one kill per player, instead of 'no matter how many of them are alive', he would've said 'per player alive' or some wording to that effect. So if we assume this, then we assume there's a third party unless vigi roles are allowed night one kills. In which case, I'm going to have to scold the vigi for making such an error to kill either one of those two players, especially if he only had a one-shot ability. Meeple and Amber Not sure why either was killed quite honestly other than the fact that they were really as active posters as others to my recollection. Do we even have confirmation about who mafia actually hit? Did I misread or skip something before I went to sleep? Nuke on Zona initiated by Xelin Going to say that this is retarded as hell. First off, Xelin, your logic is quite faulty. You're saying that this setup is borrowed to a certain extend, and since Zona has already chosen to implement a rb ability in his mafia minigames, he's most likely mafia? You realize there can only be so many variations on a basic mafia game that isn't theme based right? Again stop trying to bring crap that's irrelevant from other games into this one and counter his stances and arguments in this game. Zona has been quite pro-town, and I honestly don't see the justification of this nuke other than 'hey, I have a feeling, and since I can't convince the town using logic, I'm just going to shoot my nuke.' As for saying your nuke is fake, and to give serious consideration to lynching him - how can we when your nuke accomplished nothing except make you look anti-town. We can't even trust your word, same with Nikon's. It looks so sketchy that both of you are nuking the same person and both of you are claiming the nukes are fake. Especially when the current nuke doesn't even serve any purpose. Suspect list Xelin Nikon Caller d3 nemy People I feel are town/blue Zona Versatile Opz Abenson Shinbi haster Infundibulum People I'm not sure about Fishball - Waiting more for his post after work for more information Iaaan | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
also, trying to make an argument for or against anything in a game based on the mod is by far the silliest thing i've ever read in a game. the mod is a neutral figure. no alliance to either side. the mod wants to see/ run a good game, so handicapping one side goes against the mod's objective. you need better reasoning. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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XeliN
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Like you have said most of what I'm asserting is based upon the mod not handicapping either side and creating a balanced game. And saying you can't take any of my arguments seriously because of one aspect of what I am arguing (game structure) is illogical, would be like me saying I can't take any argument you bring up seriously because earlier on in the thread you made an argument I disagreed with. You need better reasoning. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Any townie voting for me now is both wasting their vote and a the slim chance we might have of salvaging this game. | ||
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XeliN
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On April 01 2010 01:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: What i think happened is mafia hits meeple (bluesnipe) and vigi hits amber. Mafia hit meeple because he was getting called out for not posting a lot, but he kept saying he was pro town, being active, helping etc. and so mafia knows meeple is not one of them and thus he is giving away his blue role. Eh, meeple didn't give that much of a blue aura about himself, but then again I'm bad, so I might be mistaken. But then again On April 01 2010 01:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: the behavior isn't necessarily standard of a blue role, since some players have either very consistent or inconsistent play-styles which make them hard to read. however players in this game were right that meeple was hiding something. however it was not a mafia role that he was hiding. So, seemingly, multiple people thought meeple was green (insert Versatile quote), and you point out that he was giving out a blue vibe, and you also said that mafia killed him because of it. That's quite an interesting... concidence. It may even not be true, for all we know. | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
##vote Xelin## Nukes fired at both zona and LMNOP? I have doubts about whether the mafia would be so stupid, but either way awful awful play. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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Infundibulum
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