I'm almost completely fine with killing someone other than Xelin, until we see if his nuke is legit or not. I think we should look at some other things...Since we have had two roles claim already, we should have the vigi step forward, along with Japan. Look. Seriously. Consider this. Mafia will require four (atleast three if vigi is Japan).
This is an important time to role claim guys. Let's not pass on it. We need to up the targets, and get more information. And seeing as Caller, Xelin, Fishball, Abenson, and I have all gone public, this will put the mafia in a tight spot that they might not be able to worm themselves out of.
Consider this. I would like everyones input before a mass role claim takes place.
Now...Xelin wasn't specific, and so far all he's said is that his ability allowed him to launch and anonymous Nuke. If it comes down to it, I will change my vote back to killing him. N.K. doesn't sound like a beneficial party anyway. But GIVE SOME THOUGHTS. Fishball is most lilkely the target that would be slain tonight, as Caller still looks suspicious, and his role might just be useless. We aren't certain yet if it is, it could just be reversed. We will know that for certain tomorrow.
And I dunno...I might still be down for Caller's death, but it seems a little more likely he might be town. The mafia can't kill us all if we mass role claim.
On April 01 2010 11:52 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: can someone give me a brief description of the bus driver? i wasn't in the other game.
Taken from Mafia XX:
Bus Driver Twice per game, you get to switch the actions on two players. For example, if the Bus Driver switches A and B, where A and B are players, and A is killed and B is role checked, A will be role checked and B will be killed instead. A Bus Drivers' alignment is ambiguous. That means they can be town-aligned, mafia-aligned, neither, or both.
C is a DT and checks A. D is a medic and protects B. A and B are switched. B is hit by the mafia. When the day post is made, C is notified that: B is a (B's role). D is notified that: Congradulations! You have successfully saved Player A!
With a bus driver, the mafia has the threat of preventing the rolecheck of an elected official. Which casts doubt onto the candidate regardless of alignment. Fortunately, if A gets checked and is swapped with B, the DT will get back: "B is a (B's role)" instead of "A is (B's role)". (I was originally considering making it this T_T). So any diverted checks won't confuse the town.
On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote: Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.
I am Israel, an Alignment Cop. The reason that I have barely said anything all game thus far is because any country's leader that opened their mouth died in a nuclear fire along with their many innocent civilians, as all can very clearly see. I didn't think there was any need at all for me to endanger my people's republic before my intelligence agency managed to get even one check off, so I figured the best thing to do was to say nothing. If people suspected my people of being conniving Mafia, then all the better, as by hiding among outsiders have the Jewish people survived for this long.
Basically, I have the ability to see whether or not someone is Innocent or Mafia.
I checked Nikon last night, because there were numerous suspicions among the people for his odd posting strategizations. But for some reason my checks had resulted in the determination of the role of meeple instead, and he, to my horror, was Mafia. I'm guessing that this odd switching of roles must have something to do with that blasted bus driver role that flamewheel had emplaced in his game.
I was initially going to reveal the people's will earlier today. But having saw that meeple was an ambiguous cop, I decided that it would be more effective for me to retreat and allow the intelligence agency to collect more datath. Firstly, if the Mossad were sane, that would give me result that meeple was in fact an innocent. The fact that he came out as a red scum implies that I am either insaneth or paranoidal.
Consider: Ambiguous implies that he could hath been sane, insane, paranoid, or naive, etc. This means that I could also be one of those four. Since he came out scummy, and he was in fact innocent, that narrows it down to insane or paranoid, i.e. that my checks come out reversed, or all countries appear as mafia to my agents.
I apologizeth for any misoverestimation that may have occurred and hope that I have clarified the matter somewhat, gentlemen.
Bullshit, the bus driver doesn't work that way, if we were switched you'd still get meeple's role as a result on me.
Just in case people begin wondering where I am, I'm here and thinking a lot. I want to be sure of what I want to say before I post - but I think the three things for the town to think about is: - all the nukers/fake nukers/etc - inactives - the claims that have just come out.
This was the description of the busdriver role from last game:
Bus Driver Twice per game, you get to switch the actions on two players. For example, if the Bus Driver switches A and B, where A and B are players, and A is killed and B is role checked, A will be role checked and B will be killed instead. A Bus Drivers' alignment is ambiguous. That means they can be town-aligned, mafia-aligned, neither, or both.
No matter the alignment of the Bus Driver, he or she will show up as Bus Driver to role checks. However, mafia-aligned Bus Drivers do not know who the mafia are, and win only if the mafia wins.
Also nice to see votes being used on others but it seems unwise to use them on someone who has roleclaimed, and given an account of actions they have used. Sure he could be lying but a lynch would be bettter spent elsewhere.
Not sure why people haven't even responded to the consideration than Iaaan is mafia, if you check over the thread ever single person he argued for being killed in some way turned out to be green. He has somewhat lurked in the shadows, similar to how Zona and Elemenope are doing now yet popping up to make accusations.
His mention that "I have a special role without saying too much i both can't be nuked as well as another ability"
Iaaan either take the time to come up with an actual roleclaim giving your country, description and ability, sure if your mafia this will be hard but it is more believable than your current assertion, or if town simply outline your role.
Based off Jeejee and Caller's posts, it seems like the mafia could have 2 special roles (there were three anti town things, nuke steal, role block, and bus driver esque thing). Some of these roles are from the town, some from mafia. Based off the amount of players and the fact there are mafia that have special powers, there are likely more blue roles than 1 medic 2 cops (1 handicapped), and 1 vigi. So @ opz, maybe fishball wont die, because he might have medic protection from the remaining medic/s.
and @ Xelin, I am suspicious of you being mafia still. I kinda agree that people might want to consider me more (like, if I weren't me I would think that), but the fact that you are bringing it up just looks to me like you are trying to take suspicion off yourself. Yes, everyone who lynch/nuke I supported has turned out green. But did I launch any of those nukes? no, my opinion on them had little effect on the outcome. I could not lynch someone by myself. I do accept that all my support so far has been wrong, but really, I didn't have as much of an effect on the outcomes as your making it seem; if I were mafia it wouldn't make sense advocating for so many people to die, when I knew they were ALL town. Maybe not the best argument, but I don't like to think of myself as stupid.
And I mean, look at your own record, launching nukes at LMNOP and Zona, both of which were completely retarded, and you alone were trying to kill them. Again, compare that to me where I had hardly any effect on the outcomes.
I completely disagree with your saying that I am inactive, I haven't been spamming up the thread, or sitting at my computer all day posting, but I've done my best, and posted more than most people.
And with you asking me to roleclaim, I again see you asking it from the mafia's perspective. Is Iaaan better to kill than fishball/caller? All the town needs to know is that I can't be killed by nukes, anything else I will use alone as best I can to serve the towns purpose based on the discussion about who needs to live/die/learned about.
Abenson, I am sure that you have read Caller's roleclaim. What are the reasons that you think it is not legit? I am still not sure, but I am leaning toward it being honest, it would be a complicated role claim to fake IMO.
And also, I think someone should use an anti nuke on Xelin's nuke toward zona, doesn't it seem logical that North Korea would have multiple nukes? And why should we trust him, he hasn't done anything this whole game to earn trust.
On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote: Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.
I am Israel, an Alignment Cop. The reason that I have barely said anything all game thus far is because any country's leader that opened their mouth died in a nuclear fire along with their many innocent civilians, as all can very clearly see. I didn't think there was any need at all for me to endanger my people's republic before my intelligence agency managed to get even one check off, so I figured the best thing to do was to say nothing. If people suspected my people of being conniving Mafia, then all the better, as by hiding among outsiders have the Jewish people survived for this long.
Basically, I have the ability to see whether or not someone is Innocent or Mafia.
I checked Nikon last night, because there were numerous suspicions among the people for his odd posting strategizations. But for some reason my checks had resulted in the determination of the role of meeple instead, and he, to my horror, was Mafia. I'm guessing that this odd switching of roles must have something to do with that blasted bus driver role that flamewheel had emplaced in his game.
I was initially going to reveal the people's will earlier today. But having saw that meeple was an ambiguous cop, I decided that it would be more effective for me to retreat and allow the intelligence agency to collect more datath. Firstly, if the Mossad were sane, that would give me result that meeple was in fact an innocent. The fact that he came out as a red scum implies that I am either insaneth or paranoidal.
Consider: Ambiguous implies that he could hath been sane, insane, paranoid, or naive, etc. This means that I could also be one of those four. Since he came out scummy, and he was in fact innocent, that narrows it down to insane or paranoid, i.e. that my checks come out reversed, or all countries appear as mafia to my agents.
I apologizeth for any misoverestimation that may have occurred and hope that I have clarified the matter somewhat, gentlemen.
We always need to hear Caller's voice when he make speeches.
I'm actually amazed so far no one has questioned Caller's credibility, or even my credibility. You guys seems to just except every thing that is on the table...
Not saying that I'm 100% certain whether or not this game has Bus Drivers; I just want to throw this out there. From the game mechanics thread:
On March 21 2010 13:23 Ace wrote: 7.) I don't really like the Bus Driver that much. Probably looks better as a serial killer type role where he/she wins by killing everyone else.
EPT
