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Zona
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Zona
40426 Posts
We now have quite a few "idiot townie or devious scum" candidates. Each of them are players who have made blatantly anti-town moves along with few or no pro-town actions. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
I will talk about the killings later, obviously it sucks, and there's obviously a 3rd party or a vigi role in the game. But, i'm a selfish man and I will talk about myself first (you will see why). First, I'm surprised I lived through the night. I did not take a hit. However, I wasn't left alone. Two things happened to me.. (1) My nuke(s) were stolen. Now, this is a cute one, did not expect this. What country is famous for cocaine and coffee? Colombia. This is the one that stole my warhead(s). I'm not sure how that helps us, but that's that. No more nukes from shinbi, so if you guys want day extensions, I'm all yours. (2) I was roleblocked This is funny, because I talked to Ace before writing this up, and he confirmed that I do not have to have a role to receive the roleblock PM. Moreover, they do not get confirmation whether any night action of mine was blocked. Thus, if the RB'er wanted to figure out whether I have a role or not, they have failed. Also, I'm going to assume this is mafia's doing, as I've never seen a townie nor 3rd party get such a role. Now, I'm in a bit of a rush this morning, but thought I'd spit these 2 info out for you guys to chew on. I'll be back in a bit to comment on xelin's idiocy and the nightkills in general. | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
Most obvious of them is the fact that two of the players had been killed instead of one. This points to three possibilites: 1) Mafia has more than one KP- this theory has been tossed about here and there by some players, due to the Ace's ambiguous wording in his OP ("Mafia have night kills just like in normal games. Mafia can kill 1 player per night no matter how many of them are alive.") Personally I reject this theory because Amber[light] was one of the Town's inactive suspects and cannot see for now how his death would benefit the Mafia team. Thus we can assume that Amber[light] was unfortunate enough to be targetted by either of these two roles... 2) Vigilante- plausible, because as just mentioned, Amber[light] was Town's main suspect. This is good because as the day is about to end we can make a post asking them to kill certain players if necessary. Don't like how he targetted Amber[light] as there were much more better targets, but eh, extra KP in town's side is not really that bad at all (besides nukes). 3) Serial Killer- this is also probable, since SK wouldn't want his hit stacking with Mafia kill, and Mafia probably will not target someone who is being suspected of Mafia. Second, I am interested how Mafia went for meeple - which turned out to have blue role - instead of targetting any of the active posters (Jeejee, Zona, myself) or confirmed Townie. (~OpZ~, Abenson). Meeple wasn't thought as that much pro-town by majority of the town either, so I am beginning to wonder if it was just random hit or Mafia by some means was able to deduce meeple's alignment. Also, from Jeejee's post, we also have two more confirmed roles in this game: roleblocker and role that can steal nukes (most likely from anti-town). I have nothing more to add except that this gives another reason that one should try to keep quiet about his abilities unless necessary. And, oh yeah, I bet everyone is seeing this coming. ##Vote: Xelin | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
who does town think should be nuked? | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
Therefore I think we can rule out SK, VI, etc. What i think happened is mafia hits meeple (bluesnipe) and vigi hits amber. Mafia hit meeple because he was getting called out for not posting a lot, but he kept saying he was pro town, being active, helping etc. and so mafia knows meeple is not one of them and thus he is giving away his blue role. | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
On April 01 2010 01:05 Versatile wrote: okay well. i want the town to start discussing nuke targets. who does town think should be nuked? On April 01 2010 01:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Upon further thought, i'm not so sure that Ace would put in a 3rd party with an independent set of victory conditions without mentioning it in the original post. Doing so would be a huge advantage to that person(s). While roles aren't listed, the town/mafia factions are and there is even the phrase "all countries are divided into two factions." Therefore I think we can rule out SK, VI, etc. What i think happened is mafia hits meeple (bluesnipe) and vigi hits amber. Mafia hit meeple because he was getting called out for not posting a lot, but he kept saying he was pro town, being active, helping etc. and so mafia knows meeple is not one of them and thus he is giving away his blue role. I still cannot understand what made meeple exceedingly stand out though. Is what you mentioned standard behaviour of blue role? | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
if i wanted to launch a nuke, i'd just do it haster. but i don't want any nukes launched without town consensus. | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On April 01 2010 01:24 haster27 wrote:I still cannot understand what made meeple exceedingly stand out though. Is what you mentioned standard behaviour of blue role? Press to view all posts in the thread and ctrl+f meeple. You can see that he was only dropping in occasionally and while his opinions were pro-town, he was careful not to say anything too attention grabbing. But several players picked up on this - BM, JeeJee, Treehugger - and meeple's name started getting placed in the suspect lists the behavior isn't necessarily standard of a blue role, since some players have either very consistent or inconsistent play-styles which make them hard to read. however players in this game were right that meeple was hiding something. however it was not a mafia role that he was hiding. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On April 01 2010 01:05 Versatile wrote: okay well. i want the town to start discussing nuke targets. who does town think should be nuked? I'm wary of this. We already have one nuke in the air and if someone else gets nuked they may counter-nuke. If you're just asking for suspects, i think a lot of players will have a similar answer: Caller, d3, nemy, nikon. Those are the easy players to name, and i wouldn't be surprised if there is 1-2 mafia among them. I think the others are posting more actively though so it's harder to catch them. Also guys, right now we're down a medic and a cop. We still have a vigi, and maybe one other blue role (mad hatter?), but we really have to start hitting reds. This is why I bring up Xelin... if he flips green, no matter how bad he is playing, we dig our hole deeper. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I have the ability to nuke privately, I am not mafia and this simple fact ought to be enough for people to realise that. Add to that the liklihood that the roleblock ability is one that belongs to mafia makes it all the more unlikely this role would go to them (making this assumption on the fact the setup for this game is borrowed to a certain extent and that zona has already chosen to possibly implement a roleblock for the mafia ability in his minimafia games, this coincides with my belief he is mafia) So basically, yes I will flip green or probably blue and your all welcome to lynch me for policy or irritation but if you would like to try and win it might be better to chose someone else. Probably someone who jumped on lynching me, my suggestion being Elemenope. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
On April 01 2010 01:24 haster27 wrote: There are going to be 3-5 mafia in this game, I would lean towards 5 as they only have 1KP per night and the town has nuking ability, add to this the fact that the town on large will simply not agree to the extent where all or even most will agree on something such as this then "we must make decision COLLECTIVELY" is a dream that will not come to fruition. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On April 01 2010 02:09 XeliN wrote: Also Elemenope had a lot to say at a quite early stage and yet now the only post I have seen him make is a comparatively short "are you kidding Vote Xelin" one. A mafia who has succesfully created the illusion of being both active and pro-town who now feels comfortable lurking in the shadows to respond sparingly? To be fair, voting for you right now does not need much explanation at all. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
People I currently consider Mafia, Haster27, Zona, Elemenope Players I am concerned with due to inactivity and as such both mafia suspects and potential targets for town to nuke. Caller, Iaaan, Nemy There should be room for versatile somewhere in there but I wouldn't put that one very strongly. | ||
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