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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 31 2010 09:25 GMT
#1541
Hi. I'm woken up early to watch the OSL and I'm not awake enough to process everything that has transpired since last night - but I wanted to mention the likelihood of a serial killer role, with one night KP of its own.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 31 2010 09:44 GMT
#1542
Oh btw, everyone keep in mind that this is the second nuke Xelin has launched, and the circumstances around the first.

We now have quite a few "idiot townie or devious scum" candidates. Each of them are players who have made blatantly anti-town moves along with few or no pro-town actions.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 31 2010 12:35 GMT
#1543
Caller....You said day 2 you would contribute.....Well?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 31 2010 13:21 GMT
#1544
Ok, let's talk

I will talk about the killings later, obviously it sucks, and there's obviously a 3rd party or a vigi role in the game. But, i'm a selfish man and I will talk about myself first (you will see why).

First, I'm surprised I lived through the night. I did not take a hit. However, I wasn't left alone. Two things happened to me..

(1) My nuke(s) were stolen.
Now, this is a cute one, did not expect this. What country is famous for cocaine and coffee? Colombia. This is the one that stole my warhead(s). I'm not sure how that helps us, but that's that. No more nukes from shinbi, so if you guys want day extensions, I'm all yours.

(2) I was roleblocked
This is funny, because I talked to Ace before writing this up, and he confirmed that I do not have to have a role to receive the roleblock PM. Moreover, they do not get confirmation whether any night action of mine was blocked. Thus, if the RB'er wanted to figure out whether I have a role or not, they have failed. Also, I'm going to assume this is mafia's doing, as I've never seen a townie nor 3rd party get such a role.

Now, I'm in a bit of a rush this morning, but thought I'd spit these 2 info out for you guys to chew on. I'll be back in a bit to comment on xelin's idiocy and the nightkills in general.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 31 2010 14:50 GMT
#1545
Okay, these NK gives us two things we can think about:

Most obvious of them is the fact that two of the players had been killed instead of one. This points to three possibilites:

1) Mafia has more than one KP- this theory has been tossed about here and there by some players, due to the Ace's ambiguous wording in his OP ("Mafia have night kills just like in normal games. Mafia can kill 1 player per night no matter how many of them are alive.") Personally I reject this theory because Amber[light] was one of the Town's inactive suspects and cannot see for now how his death would benefit the Mafia team. Thus we can assume that Amber[light] was unfortunate enough to be targetted by either of these two roles...

2) Vigilante- plausible, because as just mentioned, Amber[light] was Town's main suspect. This is good because as the day is about to end we can make a post asking them to kill certain players if necessary. Don't like how he targetted Amber[light] as there were much more better targets, but eh, extra KP in town's side is not really that bad at all (besides nukes).

3) Serial Killer- this is also probable, since SK wouldn't want his hit stacking with Mafia kill, and Mafia probably will not target someone who is being suspected of Mafia.

Second, I am interested how Mafia went for meeple - which turned out to have blue role - instead of targetting any of the active posters (Jeejee, Zona, myself) or confirmed Townie. (~OpZ~, Abenson). Meeple wasn't thought as that much pro-town by majority of the town either, so I am beginning to wonder if it was just random hit or Mafia by some means was able to deduce meeple's alignment.

Also, from Jeejee's post, we also have two more confirmed roles in this game: roleblocker and role that can steal nukes (most likely from anti-town). I have nothing more to add except that this gives another reason that one should try to keep quiet about his abilities unless necessary.

And, oh yeah, I bet everyone is seeing this coming.
##Vote: Xelin
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 31 2010 16:05 GMT
#1546
okay well. i want the town to start discussing nuke targets.

who does town think should be nuked?
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
March 31 2010 16:18 GMT
#1547
Upon further thought, i'm not so sure that Ace would put in a 3rd party with an independent set of victory conditions without mentioning it in the original post. Doing so would be a huge advantage to that person(s). While roles aren't listed, the town/mafia factions are and there is even the phrase "all countries are divided into two factions."

Therefore I think we can rule out SK, VI, etc.

What i think happened is mafia hits meeple (bluesnipe) and vigi hits amber. Mafia hit meeple because he was getting called out for not posting a lot, but he kept saying he was pro town, being active, helping etc. and so mafia knows meeple is not one of them and thus he is giving away his blue role.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 31 2010 16:24 GMT
#1548
On April 01 2010 01:05 Versatile wrote:
okay well. i want the town to start discussing nuke targets.

who does town think should be nuked?


No. Okay, calmed down. I agree with the necessity of the nuke considering Townie death: Mafia death ratio, but we must make decision COLLECTIVELY. I cannot stress this enough.

On April 01 2010 01:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Upon further thought, i'm not so sure that Ace would put in a 3rd party with an independent set of victory conditions without mentioning it in the original post. Doing so would be a huge advantage to that person(s). While roles aren't listed, the town/mafia factions are and there is even the phrase "all countries are divided into two factions."

Therefore I think we can rule out SK, VI, etc.

What i think happened is mafia hits meeple (bluesnipe) and vigi hits amber. Mafia hit meeple because he was getting called out for not posting a lot, but he kept saying he was pro town, being active, helping etc. and so mafia knows meeple is not one of them and thus he is giving away his blue role.


I still cannot understand what made meeple exceedingly stand out though. Is what you mentioned standard behaviour of blue role?
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 31 2010 16:34 GMT
#1549
umm. which is why i said i want the town to start discussing it. so we could make a decision together.

if i wanted to launch a nuke, i'd just do it haster. but i don't want any nukes launched without town consensus.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 31 2010 16:36 GMT
#1550
meeple said some things earlier that confirmed him as a green in my eyes, i didn't think he was a blue. but since i decided he was pro-town, i just ignored everyone attacking him.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 31 2010 16:36 GMT
#1551
Right. I just wanted to state it again just in case, because day 1 was just... urgh.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
March 31 2010 16:39 GMT
#1552
On April 01 2010 01:24 haster27 wrote:I still cannot understand what made meeple exceedingly stand out though. Is what you mentioned standard behaviour of blue role?


Press to view all posts in the thread and ctrl+f meeple. You can see that he was only dropping in occasionally and while his opinions were pro-town, he was careful not to say anything too attention grabbing. But several players picked up on this - BM, JeeJee, Treehugger - and meeple's name started getting placed in the suspect lists

the behavior isn't necessarily standard of a blue role, since some players have either very consistent or inconsistent play-styles which make them hard to read. however players in this game were right that meeple was hiding something. however it was not a mafia role that he was hiding.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
March 31 2010 16:40 GMT
#1553
I also have a sinking feeling that Xelin is going to flip green. He is playing as though he wants to get lynched, which is why i originally thought he was VI. But now I am fairly certain of no 3rd parties. Mafia will never play as though they want to get lynched.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
March 31 2010 16:46 GMT
#1554
On April 01 2010 01:05 Versatile wrote:
okay well. i want the town to start discussing nuke targets.

who does town think should be nuked?


I'm wary of this. We already have one nuke in the air and if someone else gets nuked they may counter-nuke.

If you're just asking for suspects, i think a lot of players will have a similar answer: Caller, d3, nemy, nikon. Those are the easy players to name, and i wouldn't be surprised if there is 1-2 mafia among them. I think the others are posting more actively though so it's harder to catch them.

Also guys, right now we're down a medic and a cop. We still have a vigi, and maybe one other blue role (mad hatter?), but we really have to start hitting reds. This is why I bring up Xelin... if he flips green, no matter how bad he is playing, we dig our hole deeper.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 31 2010 17:06 GMT
#1555
I thought it was fairly clear that I was green or an individual role and that people were voting for me out of irritation more than suspicion of my being red.

I have the ability to nuke privately, I am not mafia and this simple fact ought to be enough for people to realise that. Add to that the liklihood that the roleblock ability is one that belongs to mafia makes it all the more unlikely this role would go to them (making this assumption on the fact the setup for this game is borrowed to a certain extent and that zona has already chosen to possibly implement a roleblock for the mafia ability in his minimafia games, this coincides with my belief he is mafia)

So basically, yes I will flip green or probably blue and your all welcome to lynch me for policy or irritation but if you would like to try and win it might be better to chose someone else. Probably someone who jumped on lynching me, my suggestion being Elemenope.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 31 2010 17:09 GMT
#1556
Also Elemenope had a lot to say at a quite early stage and yet now the only post I have seen him make is a comparatively short "are you kidding Vote Xelin" one. A mafia who has succesfully created the illusion of being both active and pro-town who now feels comfortable lurking in the shadows to respond sparingly?
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 31 2010 18:01 GMT
#1557
On April 01 2010 01:24 haster27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2010 01:05 Versatile wrote:
okay well. i want the town to start discussing nuke targets.

who does town think should be nuked?


No. Okay, calmed down. I agree with the necessity of the nuke considering Townie death: Mafia death ratio, but we must make decision COLLECTIVELY. I cannot stress this enough.



There are going to be 3-5 mafia in this game, I would lean towards 5 as they only have 1KP per night and the town has nuking ability, add to this the fact that the town on large will simply not agree to the extent where all or even most will agree on something such as this then "we must make decision COLLECTIVELY" is a dream that will not come to fruition.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 31 2010 18:03 GMT
#1558
In fact the only chance of their being a collective decision is one where the mafia also agree to a proposed lynched target in which case the target will certainly not be mafia.
Adonai bless
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
March 31 2010 18:11 GMT
#1559
On April 01 2010 02:09 XeliN wrote:
Also Elemenope had a lot to say at a quite early stage and yet now the only post I have seen him make is a comparatively short "are you kidding Vote Xelin" one. A mafia who has succesfully created the illusion of being both active and pro-town who now feels comfortable lurking in the shadows to respond sparingly?


To be fair, voting for you right now does not need much explanation at all.
靈魂交響曲
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 31 2010 18:15 GMT
#1560
As no-one is around might as well carry on Bill M style.

People I currently consider Mafia, Haster27, Zona, Elemenope

Players I am concerned with due to inactivity and as such both mafia suspects and potential targets for town to nuke.

Caller, Iaaan, Nemy

There should be room for versatile somewhere in there but I wouldn't put that one very strongly.
Adonai bless
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