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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 29 2010 21:37 GMT
#1441
...
What made you think that fake nuking was a good idea?
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 29 2010 21:39 GMT
#1442
On March 30 2010 06:34 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2010 06:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote:


The nuke is a fake. Rest easy.


Are you FUCKING serious?

No, we cannot rest easy. You can claim the nuke is a fake and that's fine, but the fact is none of us know and you have instilled yet another dilemma into the proceedings of the town. Zona is one of our most pro town members, and you have gone and launched a nuke at him and may have already drawn out an anti nuke. If the anti nuke hasn't been fired then there is surely debate about whether or not to do it. If you are town then this is one of the DUMBEST things you could have possibly done. if you are mafia, good job i guess, but you're getting lynched tomorrow.


Nah, everything is under control.

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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
March 29 2010 21:40 GMT
#1443
On March 30 2010 06:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2010 06:34 Nikon wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote:


The nuke is a fake. Rest easy.


Are you FUCKING serious?

No, we cannot rest easy. You can claim the nuke is a fake and that's fine, but the fact is none of us know and you have instilled yet another dilemma into the proceedings of the town. Zona is one of our most pro town members, and you have gone and launched a nuke at him and may have already drawn out an anti nuke. If the anti nuke hasn't been fired then there is surely debate about whether or not to do it. If you are town then this is one of the DUMBEST things you could have possibly done. if you are mafia, good job i guess, but you're getting lynched tomorrow.


Nah, everything is under control.


I just want to know: what could you have possibly been thinking that made you decide this was a good idea? Please. Allow me a glimpse into the netherworld of your brain.


I'm thinking that about a quarter of the town is already dead, and it's still Day 1. That's drastic, we can't just go on trying to lynch mafia the normal way, as they've already been given a solid headstart. Also, our medic is dead, noone knows if there's a second one, and given the numer of players, and the fact that some of the people might just have anti-nukes instead, it's logical to conclude that there's no second medic, and so mafia pretty much have guaranteed nightkills.
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 29 2010 21:42 GMT
#1444
On March 30 2010 06:40 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2010 06:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:34 Nikon wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote:


The nuke is a fake. Rest easy.


Are you FUCKING serious?

No, we cannot rest easy. You can claim the nuke is a fake and that's fine, but the fact is none of us know and you have instilled yet another dilemma into the proceedings of the town. Zona is one of our most pro town members, and you have gone and launched a nuke at him and may have already drawn out an anti nuke. If the anti nuke hasn't been fired then there is surely debate about whether or not to do it. If you are town then this is one of the DUMBEST things you could have possibly done. if you are mafia, good job i guess, but you're getting lynched tomorrow.


Nah, everything is under control.


I just want to know: what could you have possibly been thinking that made you decide this was a good idea? Please. Allow me a glimpse into the netherworld of your brain.


I'm thinking that about a quarter of the town is already dead, and it's still Day 1. That's drastic, we can't just go on trying to lynch mafia the normal way, as they've already been given a solid headstart. Also, our medic is dead, noone knows if there's a second one, and given the numer of players, and the fact that some of the people might just have anti-nukes instead, it's logical to conclude that there's no second medic, and so mafia pretty much have guaranteed nightkills.

Your fake nuke does not help the town in anyway. In fact, I will be happy if it had not soaked up one of our anti-nukes already.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
March 29 2010 21:42 GMT
#1445
On March 30 2010 06:40 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2010 06:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:34 Nikon wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote:


The nuke is a fake. Rest easy.


Are you FUCKING serious?

No, we cannot rest easy. You can claim the nuke is a fake and that's fine, but the fact is none of us know and you have instilled yet another dilemma into the proceedings of the town. Zona is one of our most pro town members, and you have gone and launched a nuke at him and may have already drawn out an anti nuke. If the anti nuke hasn't been fired then there is surely debate about whether or not to do it. If you are town then this is one of the DUMBEST things you could have possibly done. if you are mafia, good job i guess, but you're getting lynched tomorrow.


Nah, everything is under control.


I just want to know: what could you have possibly been thinking that made you decide this was a good idea? Please. Allow me a glimpse into the netherworld of your brain.


I'm thinking that about a quarter of the town is already dead, and it's still Day 1. That's drastic, we can't just go on trying to lynch mafia the normal way, as they've already been given a solid headstart. Also, our medic is dead, noone knows if there's a second one, and given the numer of players, and the fact that some of the people might just have anti-nukes instead, it's logical to conclude that there's no second medic, and so mafia pretty much have guaranteed nightkills.


And as a result of this analysis you felt potentially wasting an anti-nuke would be a good idea?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
March 29 2010 21:42 GMT
#1446
On March 30 2010 06:40 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2010 06:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:34 Nikon wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote:


The nuke is a fake. Rest easy.


Are you FUCKING serious?

No, we cannot rest easy. You can claim the nuke is a fake and that's fine, but the fact is none of us know and you have instilled yet another dilemma into the proceedings of the town. Zona is one of our most pro town members, and you have gone and launched a nuke at him and may have already drawn out an anti nuke. If the anti nuke hasn't been fired then there is surely debate about whether or not to do it. If you are town then this is one of the DUMBEST things you could have possibly done. if you are mafia, good job i guess, but you're getting lynched tomorrow.


Nah, everything is under control.


I just want to know: what could you have possibly been thinking that made you decide this was a good idea? Please. Allow me a glimpse into the netherworld of your brain.


I'm thinking that about a quarter of the town is already dead, and it's still Day 1. That's drastic, we can't just go on trying to lynch mafia the normal way, as they've already been given a solid headstart. Also, our medic is dead, noone knows if there's a second one, and given the numer of players, and the fact that some of the people might just have anti-nukes instead, it's logical to conclude that there's no second medic, and so mafia pretty much have guaranteed nightkills.


How does this explain why you would launch a fake nuke?
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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
March 29 2010 21:43 GMT
#1447
On March 30 2010 06:42 haster27 wrote:
Your fake nuke does not help the town in anyway. In fact, I will be happy if it had not soaked up one of our anti-nukes already.


I'm pretty sure that it hasn't unless you personally shot it down already?
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 29 2010 21:43 GMT
#1448
Yo....Plain and simple...Amber, my logic on your contradictions, you tell RoL to read the thread, when you yourself MISSED MINE AND ABENSONS ROLE CLAIMS. You say Abenson is SUSPICIOUS. He's a MASON. Me and him both. I'm not suspicious but he is, yet I'm the only reason he isn't suspicious.

That is why. How versatile didn't get that when I asked her if Abenson was suspicious. I figured she'd be laughing her ass off. Especially after my post of you telling RoL to read the thread, when you yourself missed the conversation between me haster and lmnop ON THE SAME PAGE you are telling RoL shit? How do you not see the irony?

-_-...
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
March 29 2010 21:44 GMT
#1449
On March 30 2010 05:17 Versatile wrote:
i don't get it opz. where did amber say he didn't understand why RoL was getting lynched?

and if he did contradict himself like that, he should definitely explain.


I never didn't understand why he got lynched. I said I didn't join the bandwagon because I knew he was an idiot, and my vote didn't matter since there were 14 people stacked on him when I checked to see if I should switch. (check my flame post on page 30 something)
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
March 29 2010 21:45 GMT
#1450
sorry versatile I didn't see that post
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 29 2010 21:47 GMT
#1451
On March 30 2010 06:43 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2010 06:42 haster27 wrote:
Your fake nuke does not help the town in anyway. In fact, I will be happy if it had not soaked up one of our anti-nukes already.


I'm pretty sure that it hasn't unless you personally shot it down already?


If I had, L definitely would not have died and the town would be in far better condition already.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
March 29 2010 21:48 GMT
#1452
On March 30 2010 06:43 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Yo....Plain and simple...Amber, my logic on your contradictions, you tell RoL to read the thread, when you yourself MISSED MINE AND ABENSONS ROLE CLAIMS. You say Abenson is SUSPICIOUS. He's a MASON. Me and him both. I'm not suspicious but he is, yet I'm the only reason he isn't suspicious.

That is why. How versatile didn't get that when I asked her if Abenson was suspicious. I figured she'd be laughing her ass off. Especially after my post of you telling RoL to read the thread, when you yourself missed the conversation between me haster and lmnop ON THE SAME PAGE you are telling RoL shit? How do you not see the irony?

-_-...


It was day 1 and he admitted to not reading the introduction or pages 1-15. The content was straightforward at this time. All of a sudden you guys have a nuking party in my absence so I try to get the cliffs on what the hell is happening.

You're taking what I said out of context. RoL not reading the RULES and me not reading 25 pages of BS are two completely different things. Most importantly he nuked someone without any reason and I am just sitting here twiddling my thumbs waiting for night to fall.

You can't compare the two scenarios.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
March 29 2010 22:00 GMT
#1453
So I come back, and I see that Nikon nukes Zona. What the fuck? All I see for the reasoning behind this is one little disagreement, which isn’t a disagreement at all as they’re two separate things. Zona was asking that more people post so that we have more things to work with and then advocating that nobody nukes so we can have night roles come into play. Two separate things entirely and even the night roles prompt discussion from the town which gives us more to work with.

The only other thing I see for a reasoning is the
omitted various pieces of information in your nice big posts, I'd say that you're red.

Could you perhaps show these omitted pieces?

With the nuke post, we are at moderate already. I hardly see how I didn’t make it clear that our ToD has increased by a stage when we hit 2 nukes. Though seemingly, nobody cares about ToD anymore even though that was what the whole central discussion at the start was about. As for the claim of increasing ToD to very high or whatever so that scum can’t use nukes – no. I feel that this is very unsafe because 1) we’re not sure how many antis we have to stop these nukes in the air. 2) There may also be a third party that launches the nuke in an effort to get a quick win, and 3) then we give up our day-kill options to just lynching.
As for shinbi’s tiered list, the iaaan comments are interesting. Though I don’t necessarily agree with the versatile comments for her to be a tier 1 suspect.
As for the tier 2 suspects: The nukes by Nikon and xelin are quite uncalled for. I don’t see the logic behind them at all other than “I have this small bit of information, so I’m going to nuke to confirm.” As for d3 and fishball, both have been quite lurking/inactive and not contributing. The votes on L are quite suspicious and are something to keep in mind. I’d keep my eye on those two as well. Same deal with Caller, infun, and nemy.
Let me state that inactivity is very bad, and it keeps the town guessing whether the scum are lurking amongst the inactives or amongst the actives. We’ve had this day go on for a long time – there isn’t a point where you could not discuss something. Even some small input is better than no input.


Oh just refreshed the page and I see that Nikon says the nuke is fake.
First off, what the fuck? There were many people obviously against the nuke and on top of that, there’s quite a decent time frame for an antinuke to get fired. So potentially, you just wasted an anti-nuke. How can you even assume that the nuke *hasn’t* been shot down already?
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Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
March 29 2010 22:31 GMT
#1454
I would like to point out, that just because nikon says the nuke is fake doesn't mean that it is fake, if he is mafia and he is fairly sure that he will get lynched, why not claim that the nuke is a fake in order to put it through and kill a good player? or even if he is town, and he really wants zona dead, there isn't anything to stop him from lying to get his nuke to hit.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 29 2010 22:42 GMT
#1455
On March 30 2010 06:48 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2010 06:43 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Yo....Plain and simple...Amber, my logic on your contradictions, you tell RoL to read the thread, when you yourself MISSED MINE AND ABENSONS ROLE CLAIMS. You say Abenson is SUSPICIOUS. He's a MASON. Me and him both. I'm not suspicious but he is, yet I'm the only reason he isn't suspicious.

That is why. How versatile didn't get that when I asked her if Abenson was suspicious. I figured she'd be laughing her ass off. Especially after my post of you telling RoL to read the thread, when you yourself missed the conversation between me haster and lmnop ON THE SAME PAGE you are telling RoL shit? How do you not see the irony?

-_-...


It was day 1 and he admitted to not reading the introduction or pages 1-15. The content was straightforward at this time. All of a sudden you guys have a nuking party in my absence so I try to get the cliffs on what the hell is happening.

You're taking what I said out of context. RoL not reading the RULES and me not reading 25 pages of BS are two completely different things. Most importantly he nuked someone without any reason and I am just sitting here twiddling my thumbs waiting for night to fall.

You can't compare the two scenarios.

Role claim went on for over 10 pages before any nuke was fired. Try again. You actually posted on the same page it was being talked about.

Please address that issue. Thank you.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 29 2010 22:54 GMT
#1456
Also, you didn't say the rules.

"On March 26 2010 02:33 Amber[LighT] wrote:
oh thats right you chose not to read the thread."

...As a matter of fact...Read page 32, because you post on it, AND THE POST I BREADCRUMBED ABENSON'S NAME IS ON IT.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703&currentpage=32

Maybe you missed it...but you seemed to of caught on that a nuke was fired from that one page...where I reposted how I confirmed me and abenson...
Just pointing that out.

You also posted two pages right before the first time my RC was posted.

Again, Amazing.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 29 2010 23:14 GMT
#1457
The question for everyone else is to anti-nuke it or not....

He claims it's fake....

If its real, he's probably mafia...

If its fake, he's a jack ass...and still possibly mafia.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
March 29 2010 23:15 GMT
#1458
Ace:
I think that you should start enforcing the ban rule for inactivity, for not posting at every 24 hours. Caller I'm sure hasn't posted recently at all, and I'm sure that other players (nemy, abenson, fishball maybe) have had periods well over 24 hours with no posts.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 29 2010 23:16 GMT
#1459
Abenson had a reason, he posted in the thread asking to be replaced.
Fishball posted a couple pages ago.

Dunno about Nemy, and I'm almost positive Caller has gone quiet some time without posting.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 29 2010 23:18 GMT
#1460
I asked the same thing via PM, and he said it was because it was weekend. So, since Monday has returned, we can hope to see some lurkers being actively replaced.
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