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Actually, I commend you on being able to keep up with the myriad of nukes at the oddest times of day... but yeah, get rid of inactives?
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flamewheel
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Caller
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~OpZ~
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
On March 30 2010 08:39 Caller wrote: i just wish the day will end... You are hilarious. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Gaseumi apa Oh no no no no no body knows~ + Show Spoiler + A cookie if you can guess the song; okay I'll stop spamming now. Jiao zi time ^_^ | ||
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United States3652 Posts
-_- He says its fake. | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
On March 30 2010 06:45 Amber[LighT] wrote: sorry versatile I didn't see that post  no worries. | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
@ nikon. don't feel special, i insult everyone, it doesn't mean a thing. ie) random 1: hey there pretty lady verse: die slow. random 2: would you like fries or onion rings? verse: would you like to get some plastic surgery? random 3: i hate you!!!! verse: why, thank you. see? everything's normal, yo. | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
and @ anti nuking nikons missle, I guess the question is, are we willing to risk losing zona, based on the word of nikon? based off his posts the last few pages, I would consider the possibility of a lie. | ||
Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 30 2010 04:09 JeeJee wrote: ok well i'm raging but hey, what else is new right? first, let's talk about the radiation levels, here's what we know Radiation Levels 0-very low 2-low 4-moderate it follows to assume (and is the most reasonable guess) that it continues as per: 6-high 8-very high 10-death I am fairly confident this is the scale. Maybe off by one nuke, but it will give us a rough idea of how screwed we are. So keep this in mind Now, let's talk about players. This is going to be long and monstrous so I am going to spoiler it. My final suspects list will be at the bottom. of course, like nikon, i am not confident i will live through the night. however, unlike nikon, i am not going to launch nukes willy-nilly. instead, my approach is to post out all of my thoughts and if i get killed, you get a clean post to read that you know was written by a confirmed townie. + Show Spoiler [dont worry i was a doctor] + Here is who is still alive: Alive players d3_crescentia JeeJee Xelin ~Opz~ Amber[LighT] Caller haster27 Elemenope iNfuNdiBuLuM Zona Fishball Iaaan meeple Versatile Nikon Abenson nemy Now, i won't be on any of my analysis because i know i am townie, but obviously you can take this with a grain of salt. i don't aim to convince myself, i aim to convince you through my posts. So we have 16 players (plus me). I think a reasonable number of mafia, as several people have pointed out is 4-5. Let's talk about each of these people in order, and I will give my final list. for all of them, i'll give a quick summary of posts, then my opinion, then a 1-5star rating. d3_crescentia -works with zona to fine-tune the revenge-lynch (back then it was revenge-nuke) plan -does not think L is a worthy lynch candidate -support revenge-lynch -votes for L (this flags a "wtf?" in my head, as earlier he did not think L was lynch-worthy) but votes after a wagon has started.. interesting -switches to RoL as per town plan -contributes a few thoughts later on but is mostly inactive This boggles me. on the other hand he starts off very pro-town, but then does something extremely weird if he were townie. he does not get into too many arguments but does contribute thoughts and follows through with town plans. I'm really on edge with this guy and will put him as: **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 - definitely not comfortable calling him pro-town. Please be more active d3, we need your opinions xelin -starts off supporting L and revenge-lynch plan -questions and fine tune's other's plans -argues with fishball a bit -against inactives -bounces around votes a bit, settling on rol as per the rest of town -wants nuke on caller to land -suspects caller/bill/elemenope -claims north korea, claims shot lmnop, noone has counterclaimed -claims treehugger and verse are on same team -argues a little with haster my take? he starts off really pro-town, but then goes ahead and ruins it with an anonymous nuke on a probable pro-town player. as there's still no counter-claim i guess we might as well believe his claim to be legit..question is, what do we make of it? i am actually leaning towards him being a third party. however, given that he (claims) has just one nuke, i can't fathom what his win condition is. of course an anonymous nuke would be a good way to start a nuclear shitstorm in an otherwise ordered game, so it could be win-by-tod. but of course this is a guess just like any other. i'm not comfortable calling him pro-town at all, and in fact leaning towards him being anti-town **[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 opz i don't really want to go through all his posts but really, he can be summed up as either the ballsiest mafia ever or a mason. * 1/5 amber -votes for L due to inactive, continues attacking him for a bit -nuking as pro-town -wants inactives to come out, encourages discussion -discourage nukes early on -points out flaws in others' plans -bounces off of L (saying L will be useful in the future.. an interesting change) onto abenson -argues with rol after rol's nuke -against tree.hugger nuke, but does want him dead via lynch. although once he was nuked, he wanted it to fall -supports MAD (an interesting change from no-nuking although given the shitstorm that transpired maybe expected) He, like d3 actually, boggles me. He does have a few interesting flip-flops, but in context they are somewhat expected. but he also started off (with me in fact) on the no nuking policy and i applaud him for that. of course lately he switched to supporing M.A.D which i think is retarded, but oh well. I'm not comfortable calling him pro-town.. quite on edge. **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 caller -screws around and spams early game without adding content -votes for opz as a joke, then seemingly votes for bill as a joke -claims has no anti-nukes (after rol shot him) -..that's it extremely inactive. mentioned something about sucking on day1 analysis, but daymn, this has been one hell of a day one. surely you'd have something to contribute by now **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 - i am not calling him pro-town mostly because he is not active AT ALL. by far one of the least active players in the game (alongside abenson i suppose although there may be PMs going on there), and while he hasn't done anything wrong.. that's only because he hasn't done anything! Start talking already. haster -argues plans and works with L/zona. supports revenge-nuking instead of revenge-lynching though -thinks mafia will not lurk due to modkill policy -agrees with revenge-lynch though -does not want people to vote for L -votes rol -an interesting post "o god i wish PM were allowed in this game" -freaks out over idiots -wants L's nuke stopped, johnny's not -suspect list: Versatile tree.hugger Xelin -continues to argue, raise discussion, get people involved i really like this guy. i think he's definitely playing pro-town, and am comfortable calling him town aligned. not as much as say opz or abenson but he's definitely a good player to have imo * 1/5 elemenope ok i'll be honest, i don't want to bother reading his walls of texts, which he has been exclusively posting. this post is already taking way too long. personally, i took him off my suspects list when he got nuked by north korea because i don't feel like NK is town-aligned. however, his posts (the ones that i have skimmed) have been reasonably helpful, at least at first glance. he is also fairly active, which is always an asset to the town. i would say just BREAK UP YOUR DAMN POSTS MAN (and yes i know, pot calling kettle black, but i never post walls of text, this is like my first one) ** 2/5 infundi -for revenge-lynch, against lynching L -votes rol, suspects d3, tree, xelin -folows a no-nuke policy -supports lmnop, and actually thought tree might flip green given the chaos that transpired overall pretty good record i feel, just not that active. still, i feel he may be a bored townie rather than a lurking mafia ** 2/5 zona i don't want to go into detail on this guy, but suffice to say he has been driving discussion (barring his one afk spell for a day or 2), suggesting plans, and having generally well-reasoned arguments. he's one of the most pro-town players in this game, and noticeable too. * 1/5 fishball -votes L without much reasoning, but changes to rol as per town plan -heavily argues with L -suggests that we are chasing ghosts -aligned with me on the nuking situation i would be a lot less suspicious of him if he were a) more active b) not on the L list. i feel quite strongly that there has to be mafia on that list, especially since L flipped town, it would've been in their interests to knock him out. on the other hand, he hasn't done anything wrong per se.. but like caller, it's mostly because he hasn't done anything! i would give him a 3/5 like caller, but alas he is on the L list, which knocks him up a notch **[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 iaaan -against lynching L -for rol's nuke hitting -wants johnny and L to die, and lynch tree.hugger -has a big logic flaw where if L is green, tree.hugger has to die -supports shooting down anonymous nuke -suspects both BM and L -"i want all nukes in the air to fall because none of the players are confirmed townies" another logic flaw -also wants verse to die this set off some flags when i was skimming through his posts. it seems like this guy wants a lot of people dead, and quick. a townie wouldn't be so triggerhappy in my opinion, as deaths + votelists are more useful than just deaths. hell, at the end of this day, we still have just one vote list, although we DO still have a crapload of information. either way, this one is a major suspect for me *[yellow]*[/yellow]** 5/5 meeple -not particularly against L dying, but prefers others -points out nemy and in general the concept of mafia riding bandwagons -tries to stay neutral in the various ad hominem arguments -suspects iaaan -agrees with lynching verse -glad anonymous nuke was shot down -his suspect list: Iaaan Caller d3-cres Amber overall, he stays interestingly in the background and is not so active. however, he's active enough to stay alive. overall his suspect list is pretty decent, and as i'm going through this, i will probably come up with something similar. undecided on this fella, **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 verse i've outlined many reasons for why i believe verse is mafia. she has started chaos, launched two nukes at now confirmed townies. however, she managed to stay alive through a nuke, which i don't know what to make of (this i have also outlined) still, i am leaning towards non-town aligned, although not as heavily, as say iaaan *[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 nikon this kid's retarded, i do hope zona gets saved. i might be blinded by my trust of zona, but seriously dude, what the hell were you thinking. either way, i have outlined this guy earlier, so i'll just paste that here: Nikon -against early nukes -for lynch-the-nuker plan. -randomly suggests a 3rd mason in opz/abenson circle -a little ad hominem vs bill murray -wants xelin dead well, aside from that there's not too much substance in his posts. and of course there aren't that many posts to begin with (24 i believe after the /confirm post). however the points he has made (or rather, agreed with) have been pro-town. I'm leaning towards the fact that nikon is town-aligned, but i feel there's something odd. most importantly i notice that he hasn't actually contributed much more beyond agreeing with pro-town plans. i still feel it's not a big deal, it's just that his random "zona is red" and hinting at his desire to nuke zona made me raise an eyebrow. what do you guys (and nikon in particular) think? my take is he's town-aligned, but as long as we still have day, might as well keep discussing, n'est pas? i just don't understand why he would nuka zona. do. not. get. it. if before i would rate him 2-3/5, that nuke definitely brings him up a point to 3-4/5 *[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 abenson same deal as opz * 1/5 nemy -against lynching L -votes bill, then to rol as per town plan -..that's it? not very active, falls into the caller/infundi territory. be more active, dammit **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 My final lists: tier1 suspects: iaaan verse tier2 suspects: nikon xelin d3 fishball inactives/possible lurking mafia: caller infundi nemy likely townies: zona haster27 abenson opz elemenope undecided: amber meeple Course of action? what can i say..i need opinions of others, and i am most definitely looking for defenses of the people i have pointed fingers at. reactions, own analysis. CREATE HISTORY. WE NEED IT. I like your posts in this thread. They're all pretty well written. I'll take exception and give you a better response. Just a note that I'm not going to argue about any accusations, because its pointless to me, but rather explain why I haven't done "anything" and how I see the game thus far. In every game I play, this is pretty much what I do. I gather information and observe, and only post when I feel I should. For the majority of the game, I post daily comments on the game's situation, and that is pretty much it. Just to prove I'm here and alive, and have read the thread and not exactly "lurking" or "inactive". I usually make my plays during the second half of the game if need be. This game is a little bit different. I was against the retaliation strikes from the get-go. I was against EXTENDING the fucking day from the beginning. We've already talked enough about L, but just want to remind you that L was in favor of these two actions. On page 8, I posted saying that this game is going to end up people nuking the shit out of each other. It actually ended up faster than I thought, as it is still flipping Day 1. A few players have already mentioned, this is still a Mafia game, and we would have blue roles for night actions as well. So far, people are just blindly pointing fingers at each other, people contradicting themselves with this so called "consensus no nuke clause". Result? 5 Town aligned players dead and a moderate radiation level. So tell me, what exactly do you want me to do at this point? Start posting a list of suspects myself? Or join in the party to blow up earth? (My spaceship tickets are still for sale btw. Only 1 Billion Euro). People should treat this game as a normal Mafia game and value their nukes like a vigilante hit, not go Rambo and try to hit a Mafia randomly to become a hero. Most of the time you would end up looking like an idiot. Regardless, if I would have to single out 1 player right now, it would have to be Nikon, for obvious reasons. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On March 30 2010 09:01 Versatile wrote: ummm. if caller's last post isn't telling you all something....smh. @ nikon. don't feel special, i insult everyone, it doesn't mean a thing. ie) random 1: hey there pretty lady verse: die slow. random 2: would you like fries or onion rings? verse: would you like to get some plastic surgery? random 3: i hate you!!!! verse: why, thank you. see? everything's normal, yo. Not everyone! I totally got a hug! On November 18 2008 11:31 Versatile wrote: yayay!! thanks for cooperating. *hugs* (you all will just have to adjust to the "girly" tinge of my posts sometimes, lol). Suck it rest of TL mafia! | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 30 2010 09:55 Qatol wrote: Not everyone! I totally got a hug! Suck it rest of TL mafia! Qatol wins! + Show Spoiler + I made your name green for you... | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On March 30 2010 10:06 flamewheel91 wrote: Qatol wins! + Show Spoiler + I made your name green for you... Getting closer to making amends for the OP of your last game. Not quite there yet though.  | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 30 2010 10:07 Qatol wrote: Getting closer to making amends for the OP of your last game. Not quite there yet though. Blame Incognito T_T | ||
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d3_crescentia
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- I honestly don't remember much about my Day 1 vote - most of the time I don't think they really matter anyway. My thinking was mainly that I wanted to get something down as I wasn't sure on my work schedule at the time, and I thought L was actually more of a threat to town security - and judging by how things worked out between him/tree I'm sort of glad he's gone. I don't really mind that you guys are suspecting me - I'd probably be suspecting me as well, but there isn't really much I can really say at this point to prove my innocence, besides "I'll try to be more active." - Whether Nikon is mafia or not, his actions are pretty detrimental to the town, because 1) he targeted Zona, who has plenty to analyze and 2) it extended the day. As much as I lament our loss of so many townies, I'm glad all of the ridiculous dumb brinksmanship has gone on between mostly greens - and not our blues (or whatever counts for blues in this game). Once night falls those people that have special abilities can actually start to put them to use for the town. - With JeeJee's ToD theory, it seems that we have a limit of 5 nukes (4, if Nikon's turns out to be real) before we hit the danger zone. In a game this size, I'm going to be guessing that we have about 1.5-2x the amount of nukes necessary for ToD. This is only an estimate; Ace could be batshit insane and have loaded 3 nukes a person. Seeing as 7 nukes have been fired so far, I think it's time we actually get a bit more liberal with our anti-nuke usage and return to our previous policy of lynching the unprovoked nuker. I suppose there's all sorts of arguments to be made here about when to stop nuking/start anti-nuking, but it doesn't really matter so long as we make the right decisions on which ones to stop and which ones to not. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.zunal.com/myaccount/uploads/pp_uk_06.jpg) The United Kingdom has shot down Nikon's missiles heading towards Zona! Amount of Nukes detonated: 4 Radiation levels - moderate It is now NIGHT TIME! If you have night actions you can send them in now! Night will end Wednesday March 31st at 12AM ET/13:00 KST Note on modkills: It was the weekend and Day 1 was extended multiple times so I know a lot of people wouldn't be active. However, as soon as Day 2 starts (Wednesday March31st) I'll start counting from there. I won't count the night phase as there won't be any new information until the Night ends. Have fun! | ||
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