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On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:Show nested quote +Here's where you've bothered me in the past L, as well as this game. I recognize that in many games, including XX, you've been town aligned, and I've recognized your earnest attempts to aid the town. But in actuality, you posses a certainty in your writing which is highly convincing to some people, (including myself, on occasion) but also does not take into account the chance that you're wrong. You make gambits where you pretend to sacrifice yourself in order to get someone to be killed. We all know those are ploys, but they keep working, and you keep employing these disingenuous strategies You uh, don't read my writing if you think I often push with the assumption that I must be correct. I push with the assumption that even if I'm wrong that the right move has been made. In XX for instance, I didn't give a shit who died besides Me, Cobbler, nemY or MM because I knew if we survived the night that we would win. Killing BM was part of an overarching plan to rape the abenson list which wasn't wrong: 3 of 4 mafia were on there and I had a bomb sitting on their godfather. Not only that, but at the start of the game I called that 2-3 of me/malongo/incog/bc/foolishness would be mafia. I was right. So yeah, mafia is a guessing game; No one's going to guess 100% correct, especially with a buncha jerks in the background trying to make you guess wrong. The important part, however, is getting it right enough of the time. I'm not tearing townies down. I'm saying that people who voted for me have no real excuses. Maybe Opz does because he knew abenson was legit, maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them), but for you? For the rest of the people on that list? Your defence is "i wanted to punish inactivity" but that simply doesn't hold. You also have no reason to rage against me unlike those mentioned above. So why the claws and fangs; I certainly didn't take them out against you. I just suggested you as a candidate based on the evidence in front of us. I have an unrebutted and substantial piece of evidence that makes you pro-mafia in my mind. Why would I back down from that until you can rebut it? Why would backing down be pro-town? No one else has suggested another candidate of equal magnitude besides Caller and I'm pretty sure I was all for having his face turn into a nuclear foam. So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid.
Haha, there are many reasons to vote for you, Mr. self righteous.
You should be the one growing up, kid. Not tree.hugger.
Should I even quote that hypocritical PM you sent me?
Feel free to dick around TL and get temp banned again. Would do us all a favor.
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....L sent you a PM?? -______-
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On March 26 2010 13:31 JeeJee wrote:
NO NO NO
god i thought having lynched RoL, we would prevent the stupidity of people like tree.hugger. i don't understand >.<
guys. say no to nukes. have we all forgotten about ToD? this is the crucial difference between this game and the previous everyone-has-a-gun game. i was expecting one triggerhappy idiot, but after getting lynched so hard i figured nobody else would step up to the plate. yes it's great that you provide your reasoning for nuking but DO SO BEFORE YOU NUKE. and if a sizable amount of people agree with you, proceed. sure it's a little bit of a hassle but it prevents shit like this
at this rate the game might be over day 1 and nobody wins. or some 3rd party laughs their ass off. don't you guys see this? stop fucking nuking people.
i'll go to sleep and post back in about 9-10 hours when i get to work. L, you are planning to extend the day further? it is good to have more discussion but it also gives more idiots the opportunity to go "hey this fag's a fag! nuke:fag" so keep that in mind when you decide.
You have a point, but I think people will be a lot more hesitant to nuke when the radiation levels meter ticks up. The cap is definitely not 1-2, and is probably somewhere between 5-10. So I think there were always going to be nukes in the very beginning, and so it's just a matter of who they're used against.
I probably should've been a little more patient with my nuke usage, but, seeing how early we are into the game, I figured that the town could pass judgment the next day just as easily by voting, and in nuking L immediately, I wouldn't have to wait a long time or betray the fact that I did in fact have a nuke to spare on L.
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It was before the game.
He knows what I'm talking about.
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On March 26 2010 13:37 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:Here's where you've bothered me in the past L, as well as this game. I recognize that in many games, including XX, you've been town aligned, and I've recognized your earnest attempts to aid the town. But in actuality, you posses a certainty in your writing which is highly convincing to some people, (including myself, on occasion) but also does not take into account the chance that you're wrong. You make gambits where you pretend to sacrifice yourself in order to get someone to be killed. We all know those are ploys, but they keep working, and you keep employing these disingenuous strategies You uh, don't read my writing if you think I often push with the assumption that I must be correct. I push with the assumption that even if I'm wrong that the right move has been made. In XX for instance, I didn't give a shit who died besides Me, Cobbler, nemY or MM because I knew if we survived the night that we would win. Killing BM was part of an overarching plan to rape the abenson list which wasn't wrong: 3 of 4 mafia were on there and I had a bomb sitting on their godfather. Not only that, but at the start of the game I called that 2-3 of me/malongo/incog/bc/foolishness would be mafia. I was right. So yeah, mafia is a guessing game; No one's going to guess 100% correct, especially with a buncha jerks in the background trying to make you guess wrong. The important part, however, is getting it right enough of the time. I'm not tearing townies down. I'm saying that people who voted for me have no real excuses. Maybe Opz does because he knew abenson was legit, maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them), but for you? For the rest of the people on that list? Your defence is "i wanted to punish inactivity" but that simply doesn't hold. You also have no reason to rage against me unlike those mentioned above. So why the claws and fangs; I certainly didn't take them out against you. I just suggested you as a candidate based on the evidence in front of us. I have an unrebutted and substantial piece of evidence that makes you pro-mafia in my mind. Why would I back down from that until you can rebut it? Why would backing down be pro-town? No one else has suggested another candidate of equal magnitude besides Caller and I'm pretty sure I was all for having his face turn into a nuclear foam. So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid. Haha, there are many reasons to vote for you, Mr. self righteous. You should be the one growing up, kid. Not tree.hugger. Should I even quote that hypocritical PM you sent me? Feel free to dick around TL and get temp banned again. Would do us all a favor.
I was sincere with that PM.
Feel free to post it. I thought you needed a cheering up, so I tossed you a shout. If that makes me a bad guy, for actually manning up and attempting to smooth things over after you spazzed out, my bad.
This is what I was talking about when I referred to the rage donut; kid's understandably and predictably angry.
JeeJee: I was thinking of firing off the fake nuke, but the fact that I'm not going to retaliate to tree.hugger is pretty much equal proof of me being honest on that point. I'll extend the day if there's any consensus among the town that they need more time. Otherwise, there's no real point.
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On March 26 2010 13:43 Fishball wrote:
It was before the game.
He knows what I'm talking about.
Oh ok. was just gonna facepalm everywhere.
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Basically in the PM to me, you said that you're not trying to be a jerk, but here you are being one to tree.hugger, and dragging me and Versatile into your argument.
On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them)
On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid.
See, normally I would just ignore you, but since you are a hypocrite to such a degree AND brought my name up in such manner... Ah, to be honest what else is expected from L?
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fishball, i've taken to ignoring what he says about me and i just make fun of him (and whoever else) when it tickles me to do so. fact of the matter is, he insults me just about as much as i insult him. difference is, i dont constantly bring it up. most of what he says is contradiction in motion.
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On March 26 2010 13:51 Fishball wrote:Basically in the PM to me, you said that you're not trying to be a jerk, but here you are being one to tree.hugger, and dragging me and Versatile into your argument. Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them) Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid. See, normally I would just ignore you, but since you are a hypocrite to such a degree AND brought my name up in such manner... Ah, to be honest what else is expected from L?
Sorry, but I brought both of you up to explain why it would be predictable to see hits from you even if you weren't anti-town. Ie, I was protecting to you.
That doesn't change the fact that attempting to kill someone off zero evidence and purely because of your feelings from prior games is a douchebag move.
But yeah, keep scapegoating. Totally pro-town move. You say there are many reasons for getting rid of me but the only one I've seen besides inactivity (which was a poor and debunked argument) is that I'm too persuasive. My bad. I'll intentionally make weaker arguments in the future.
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my quick thoughts:
1) lynch tree.hugger asap
2) Let johnnyspazz and L die, there is nothing that points to their alignment either way. We shouldn't waste our anti nukes on people who we aren't sure are pro town. If they are mafia an the mafia have saving powers, they will 100% get saved. Someone else went over this in some other post, so I wont repeat it explicitly.
And I think L's posting style makes you want to believe that he is right. You should look at what he actually posts instead of the aggressive/confident way he posts it, he has been wrong many times before.
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To be honest, this is the internet, he can do or be whatever person he wants for all I care.
All I'm saying is he has no credibility, which is game related.
His ruthless and forceful arguments along with personal attack isn't convincing anyone.
A simple and recent example. Could the action of tree.hugger launching a nuke be prevented? Absolutely.
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On March 26 2010 13:59 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 13:51 Fishball wrote:Basically in the PM to me, you said that you're not trying to be a jerk, but here you are being one to tree.hugger, and dragging me and Versatile into your argument. On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them) On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid. See, normally I would just ignore you, but since you are a hypocrite to such a degree AND brought my name up in such manner... Ah, to be honest what else is expected from L? Sorry, but I brought both of you up to explain why it would be predictable to see hits from you even if you weren't anti-town. Ie, I was protecting to you. That doesn't change the fact that attempting to kill someone off zero evidence and purely because of your feelings from prior games is a douchebag move. But yeah, keep scapegoating. Totally pro-town move. You say there are many reasons for getting rid of me but the only one I've seen besides inactivity (which was a poor and debunked argument) is that I'm too persuasive. My bad. I'll intentionally make weaker arguments in the future.
See, you like to put words in other people's mouth and have selective reading. I lost count how many times, in the past 2 years, people have said something similar.
I never brought up previous games. YOU did.
Zero evidence? This is subjective. tree.hugger's action is evidence to you, but your behavior is evidence to me. You don't agree? I don't care, but same thing could apply to your argument.
You act like this is the first time I've seen you play.
The other post I just posted is just another reason.
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On March 26 2010 14:02 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, this is the internet, he can do or be whatever person he wants for all I care.
All I'm saying is he has no credibility, which is game related.
His ruthless and forceful arguments along with personal attack isn't convincing anyone.
A simple and recent example. Could the action of tree.hugger launching a nuke be prevented? Absolutely.
I still don't get how my arguments have been classified as ruthless and forceful. Is it that people don't bother reading them?
If people disagree with them, feel free to counter them. Many of the arguments rest upon assumptions which we simply don't have better leads on, so go look at the starting points and dispute those. Many of the 'counter' arguments i get don't even deal with what I say. They deal with me as a player. In fact, the vast majority of arguments I get are like that.
Haster offered a very substantial critique of my analysis after my first post back. I responded to it. I have no issue with debating, but I have an issue with people throwing shit purely to throw shit. In XX I was town and the target of a massive smear campaign, for instance.
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On March 26 2010 14:07 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 13:59 L wrote:On March 26 2010 13:51 Fishball wrote:Basically in the PM to me, you said that you're not trying to be a jerk, but here you are being one to tree.hugger, and dragging me and Versatile into your argument. On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them) On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid. See, normally I would just ignore you, but since you are a hypocrite to such a degree AND brought my name up in such manner... Ah, to be honest what else is expected from L? Sorry, but I brought both of you up to explain why it would be predictable to see hits from you even if you weren't anti-town. Ie, I was protecting to you. That doesn't change the fact that attempting to kill someone off zero evidence and purely because of your feelings from prior games is a douchebag move. But yeah, keep scapegoating. Totally pro-town move. You say there are many reasons for getting rid of me but the only one I've seen besides inactivity (which was a poor and debunked argument) is that I'm too persuasive. My bad. I'll intentionally make weaker arguments in the future. See, you like to put words in other people's mouth and have selective reading. I lost count how many times, in the past 2 years, people have said something similar. I never brought up previous games. YOU did. Zero evidence? This is subjective. tree.hugger's action is evidence to you, but your behavior is evidence to me. You don't agree? I don't care, but same thing could apply to your argument. You act like this is the first time I've seen you play. The other post I just posted is just another reason.
Uh, you voted for me before I mentioned your name a single time with quite the happy face if I recall. How exactly was I supposed to take that? I brought up the prior game to even JUSTIFY that vote for you.
And no, it was zero evidence; your reaction was emotional, not rational. The rationale for killing me doesn't exist. If you want to compare my behavior and try to pin me as mafia, GO AHEAD AND DO SO. I would LOVE to see what your reasons are. The lynch on me earlier wasn't even on the basis that I might be mafia. It was started based on the assumption that I would be inactive. Given that I already cut that argument down by examining WHY we kill inactive posters, it would seem that there aren't any reasons left.
Fishball, my dear friend. If you have reasons, subjective or objective, blurt them out. Even tree.hugger would agree that vague accusations are bad.
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The other post I just posted is just another reason. Just to dwell on this a bit more, you're essentially saying that I'm mafia because I had a nuke launched at me? Please elaborate here.
I'm going to get some sleep. Later skaters.
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JeeJee for third party who is supposed to prevent radioactive fall out lol
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On March 26 2010 14:15 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 14:07 Fishball wrote:On March 26 2010 13:59 L wrote:On March 26 2010 13:51 Fishball wrote:Basically in the PM to me, you said that you're not trying to be a jerk, but here you are being one to tree.hugger, and dragging me and Versatile into your argument. On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them) On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid. See, normally I would just ignore you, but since you are a hypocrite to such a degree AND brought my name up in such manner... Ah, to be honest what else is expected from L? Sorry, but I brought both of you up to explain why it would be predictable to see hits from you even if you weren't anti-town. Ie, I was protecting to you. That doesn't change the fact that attempting to kill someone off zero evidence and purely because of your feelings from prior games is a douchebag move. But yeah, keep scapegoating. Totally pro-town move. You say there are many reasons for getting rid of me but the only one I've seen besides inactivity (which was a poor and debunked argument) is that I'm too persuasive. My bad. I'll intentionally make weaker arguments in the future. See, you like to put words in other people's mouth and have selective reading. I lost count how many times, in the past 2 years, people have said something similar. I never brought up previous games. YOU did. Zero evidence? This is subjective. tree.hugger's action is evidence to you, but your behavior is evidence to me. You don't agree? I don't care, but same thing could apply to your argument. You act like this is the first time I've seen you play. The other post I just posted is just another reason. Uh, you voted for me before I mentioned your name a single time with quite the happy face if I recall. How exactly was I supposed to take that? I brought up the prior game to even JUSTIFY that vote for you. And no, it was zero evidence; your reaction was emotional, not rational
See what I mean? You just did it again.
You've already made a conclusion that my actions were purely emotional. (although you didn't type "period" this time) This is what I call "zero" evidence.
Did you not read anything I posted above? (I think I've said this sentence like 10 times since last game)
I voted for you based on all the knowledge and information I have about you from all these games. To me, you're a harm to town.
If you're mafia, you have the ability to persuade lesser players to do you bidding (eg. lynching redtooth). Your insults (flamewars) and self righteousness (L is always right) provokes unwanted actions (tree.hugger's nuke), and your selective reading and inability to comprehend "undesirable" information is just frustrating to whoever is debating with you.
Not explaining =/= No reason. It means I'm just lazy.
So, if you want to argue that I have zero rationality to vote for you at all, so be it.
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Wow....Can't really support the random nuke on L....So...Wow...
Okay, Spazz for Iran.
Tree.Hugger, why the hell would a mafia breadcrumb a name? To play arrogant? That would be retarded of me. I'm pretty sub par, but give me some credit. I did it to save Abenson because if I died, I knew I would flip mason and he would be able to confirm himself. And also, what initiated most of the votes against me? It was when L proposed voting for Abenson and I said I would nuke to defend against bandwagoning (I was only concerned about bandwagoning Abenson). Stop trying to discredit my claim. It's stupid and illogical.
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On March 26 2010 14:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Okay, Spazz for Iran.
nah the colors of my flag are blue white and red
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I would like to note that haster27 and Zona were the first to come to mine and Abensons back, so if me or abenson die, this should be considered very beneficial for them. They set about protecting two easily confirmable townies that can easily knock the other off the suspect list.
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