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Just for some perspective, I did launch a nuke without town consensus although I can't do so again as I only had one nuke that I was allowed to launch in secret. I actually was of the impression that it meant no-one would be informed about the nuke and not have the option of anti-nuking, didn't explain in role and I assumed. In retrospect it's been wasted now  .
Also The nuke I have launched has been anti-nuked as well as the anti-nuker not coming forward and explaining why, now this doesn't say so much in itself as a town anti-nuker certainly has good reason not to come forward assuming they have more anti-nukes or even just to not give the mafia information, but still worth considering.
Someone asked to expound on my believing LMNOP to be mafia, the whole OpZ Abenson thing was the most important in swaying, once OpZ came out as being homosexual Mason. It seemed fairly obvious when considering the hypothetical of them being mafia, that they were legitimate and yet lMNOP attempted to continue to have Abenson lynched. This in itself could go both ways like OpZ in that you could say "if it was so obvious then the mafia would not risk trying to carry on with lynching him" however, at the time there was still a large number of votes on Abenson and a legitimate chance of having him lynched.
To compound that, his immediate jump to accusing me of launching the anonymous nuke (before I so cleverly came out and admitted) seems suspicious in and of itself. If he was a townie he would not be so sure where it came from, peoples roles are a mystery suspicion is everywhere and you can't be sure on anything especially so early on in the game. He immediately said it was me, and if you read the wording he was pretty firm, this seems mafialike to me. Also he clearly outlined why I had found him suspicious in the same post, this is interesting as it is his first response to my suspicions, before the nuke and his post accusing me of launching it he had given no response whatsoever choosing to ignore.
So there those are my reasons.
Just to further clarify, I've left off giving a big explanation post so we can have some time to see peoples posts before hand.
I have claimed North Korea, Already you know NK has the ability to launch nukes anonymously. Do you really think this ability would go to mafia? Either I am not NK (in which case the real one should come forward as it would out me as mafia essentially) or I am townie, in this case kim jong townie.
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Hmmm, my argument doesn't solely rest on people actually realising that Ace would not give an ability to anonymously nuke to a mafia role, but I considered it pretty vindicating. Guess if you think it could go to mafia then it doesn't serve a purpose, hopefully others disagree.
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One edit was to change [stripe] [/stripe] to , never used the command before and misread the UBB commands, other one was because i accidently clicked quote instead of edit on the next post and posted a rehash.
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If it's red hunting your looking for the lynching LMNOP has it's value unless people are not swayed by any of my reasons and think he's townie. If he turns green it is somewhat revealing of me (not much as i could certainly be wrong) but still it would make my action all the more suspicious and if red then I would be found innocent. Unless this whole thing was an elaborate ploy in order to killl a fellow red but gain the towns trust, its not though.
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I think we should lynch tree for failing to understand that OpZ and Abenson are Masons. I can hold off my vendetta against LMNOP for now.
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Ok I'd like to highlight this, if Tree.Hugger is lynched tomorrow and flips red then Versatile is going to be red as well, Tree's early post grouping "and opz versatile abenson" was very strange and tbh the post versatile just made as well as his seems to me forced mafia interaction, i.e. fake.
This is simply a hypothesis if Tree flips red upon death.
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All of it is hypothetical on Tree flipping red, if he does then yeah I'd consider you a possible partner in crime. Also you did vote for L, something you yourself list as a suspicious action and have currently Nuked a town alligned player. I have my eye on you....
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Haster you post that? go over the last two pages and please give your opinion of the stuff thats been posted. I don't mind you posting that but not at least going over and explaining why you think I am someone who should be lynched in light of my post defending myself and explaining why I shouldn't is just plain rude.
Seriously I'm hurt
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Haster you still haven't responded at all to the post where I (in my eyes) basically show that I am town, could you please. My main argument for me being town is this.
It seems everyone has accepted that I am North Korean, fine. With that in mind
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ffs did it again, as I've been called up on editing. I'll just continue.
It seems everyone has accepted that I am north Korea, fine. With that in mind my main argument is that the mafia would not be given an ability to use an anonymous nuke, it does not make sense for them to have such an ability and such things are almost always reserved for town aligned roles. I can't say too much more on this as the roles and abilities are hidden, but I think it is a fair argument to put forward, albeit one that could potentially be wrong.
Also the reasons I stated for there being no value in my lynch, firstly I have used up my nuke so there is no danger of me nuking again, secondly I have claimed town and been honest with my role. I am not a danger to the town in any way, if as the game progresses and more information comes to light it will be easier to judge if I am mafia as a result of this.
And your argument that if tree flips red we should lynch me and gain information on versatile for this reason. If I flip green, as I will, you gain no information. And if I flip red you gain little information as I could simply have written about Versatile being suspicious to throw attention off her in the event I flip red.
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Also your using overdefensiveness and writing it in red asif by doing so I am more likely mafia is simply wrong. I fired the nuke anonymously obviously I had no intention initially of revealing myself as the nuker so it makes sense that I would be defensive whether I was town or mafia.
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Yay Abensons back, finally someone to lead the town to victory!
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On reflection going to delete this, checked incase it broke rules but still it is clearly a dubious line.
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It didn't break the rules ace, but it was a lame attempt to kinda circumvent them. Do something not ruled against but clearly should be. Kinda liked the idea of being strategical and doing something not listed in rules but on reflection it was exceptionally lame.
I can say that I consider Zona to be mafia as a result, but won't//can't explain further. Take that in the same way you'd take anyone mentioning their suspects (I easily could be wrong, but i don't think I am)
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Actually I think I can explain, in his mafia game he implemented a new rule as a result of what I wrote, I think his reaction to it is one that a mafia member would make and whilst certainly a townie could too (trust me it was lame, can't stress this enough) I think it more likely that he is mafia.
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I didn't remove my post as a reaction to what you wrote, in fact I saw it after i'd decided to myself so don't assume things, and all I am saying is that I consider your reaction to be more consistent with if you were mafia than if you were town.
Like i have stated it is simply a feeling on my part much like my feeling that Elemenope is mafia.
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Hmm, not in itself, the way you added it, without writing anything in the actual thread for one, I think if you were townie you would be more inclined to do so. Also the way you worded it, just basically you strike me as mafia from the reaction you had (as compared to how I might expect a townie to react)
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