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On March 17 2010 02:32 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2010 02:07 Incognito wrote:On March 16 2010 01:19 Versatile wrote:On March 15 2010 23:24 Abenson wrote:
Hello, I am back and have gotten caught up with the whole thing.
I have realized that I am to be lynched if this goes on, but I think this is wrong.
This is because:
a) I have shown no obvious signs of being mafia so far, other than inactivity. I am still in high school and it's currently march break, so I'm generally off somewhere or playing Starcraft with my friends.
b) I, as myself, would not like to be lynched.
c) As someone have said, nobody has come to defend me yet, this means that the mafia or anyone isn't trying hard to save me. Therefore I think this is sufficient proof that I have nobody working with me.
d) As for the "dt's post their results" is because I think that it is perfectly logical; And also I really have nothing better to post at the time and wanted to contribute.
Finally, I would like to say that lynching someone simply because of lack of candidate is generally a bad idea. It is wasting valuable lynches and plus I haven't really done anything that is suspicious. the only time a DT should step forward is if they found a red. if they didn't, then there is no reason for them to put themselves in the limelight. On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote:
also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"?
that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT.
mafia's weakness: numbers.
our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. On March 17 2010 00:50 Versatile wrote:On March 16 2010 10:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote:
also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"?
that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT.
mafia's weakness: numbers.
our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. The moment you go to lynch them I WILL TELL YOU SO. At the moment all I've cleared sadly for you are blues. I am not telling you who they are, and I have already confirmed I am in contact with a driver. You at the moment don't need to know more than that. You don't need to know who I am talking to at the moment either. This debate happened pages ago. It seems very interesting that the same people are pushing to get information on who I have cleared. If this was three days from now, when I have a larger list of people and takes time for the mafia to kill them all, possibly not a bad idea. Early on however means they can kill them faster than I can check. If they are green or blue is irrelevant. Soon as their name is down, mafia knows they are cleared. The fact you keep pushing this same idea is baffling. I get that you want me to prove my role, I do get it. By releasing a list of names for mafia to off however is insanely stupid. Your actions while challenging me are great. I do encourage the town to do so till I am proven, however, you constantly pushing for my death + publically giving all the information I have more implies that your not playing with the towns best interests at heart. Get off your high horse and stop demanding shit. DT info is fed via mouths, or in the case they get elected and proven (yes you can claim I'm not proven yet), they give what they can safely to town, and can give the rest to trusted confirms. first of all, stop crying. if you didn't want to be pushed or questioned, you should have never signed up for mayor. it's what comes with the territory. and it's not about me. it's also not about you. it's about what's best for the town, and you're sadly mistaken if you think you're doing what's best for the town. it's about to be day 3, and you haven't shown the town, in the thread, any definitive leadership. i understand that you don't want the mafia killing confirmed townies. however, if you were to announce player A and player B are townies to the town, and the mafia proceeds to kill them, guess what? the mafia just confirmed your innocence for the town. don't you get that? i mean, they're going to kill townies any way, they know who their own are. i think sacrificing 1 or 2 greens is worth achieving a confirmed DT mayor.at the moment that we know we can trust you BC, the game is over. you can get role claims from all of us, and end this. i cannot comprehend why it is almost day 3 and you have not made more movement on this. so, i apologize if it seems like i am "viciously attacking" you. that's not my intention. i just want answers from our leader. Lets take a look at these three posts from Versatile. First, she agrees with BC's idea that DTs should only announce red checks. Second post, she decides that BC is pulling BS here when he decides to follow the plan that she agreed with. Third post, I guess she figures that her previous attempt to get BC to spit out the confirmed townies didn't work and is desperate to find another way? Her plan is flawed for obvious reasons stated above. I dont know, but why do you keep switching your views on things that seem like they should be policy no matter what your role? Something doesn't add up here. Care to explain? Also, who do you suggest we lynch tomorrow? Did you read L's analysis of Bill Murray? On another note, On March 16 2010 10:31 Versatile wrote:
ummm, no @ BM.
i agree with whoever said malongo being red was luck. he wasn't even playing.
as for our next lynch target: town, if you don't recognize that someone between BC, L and incog is mafia, i will once again have to refer to the collective as a bunch of dingbats.
clearly, something is not adding up. at least one of them is mafia. and if we lynch one of them, we're guaranteed a red popping up.
my suggestion would be BC. and if incog threatens to pardon, we should kill incog first. Downplaying Malongo's lynch. Which fine, it wasn't some awesome convincing analysis. But it was a successful guess. Would the mafia really risk starting a train on Malongo when he hadn't been previously discussed? Sure, he was inactive and a good target to gain credibility, but at this point, they have more issues to worry about then gaining credibility from lynches. Either way, you've mentioned repeatedly that it is self-evident that one of BC/me/L are mafia. In fact you keep saying this as if you're 100% sure that this is true seemingly out of nowhere. Stirring up the town based on a percieved false consensus here? BC's alignment can be tested severely. Yours unfortunately is a bit more difficult. But I guess I'll wait to comment further until you answer this post. 1. that post was referring to an UNPROTECTED DT. i never agreed that BC should keep his checks secretly. not once. go read my posts. once again, stop misrepresenting my what i wrote. this is the same shyt people were doing to L. i have used to the same policy the entire time. i haven't changed my mind. so that point is null and void. 2. lol, are you serious? downplaying malongo's lynch? if i were mafia, what would i gain from doing this? and how was it a successful guess? NO ONE could have voted for malongo and he STILL would have died. that's not a towny victory. that's just bad luck for the mafia. further, citi.zen and L both said the same thing. but it only matters to you that i said it right? 3. i don't understand how you can say that i am "stirring up the town based on perceived false consensus". i am not the only towny who has said this, so there is no perceived false consensus. fact is, it is very unlikely that that all three of you are blue/green. that's what i think, and if you don't like, go cry to someone else about it. now, instead of riding my jock, maybe you'd like to actually post something substantial. cut the "all will be made clear in the morning's dawn when God whispers in your ear" bullshit. you're also an elected official and i don't see you doing much either. in fact, i find it suspicious that you're taking all the heat for BC when you claim to be suspicious of him yourself. what's up with that, boss?
Thank you for the nonsense garbage reply that ignores half of my statements. Again, "the only time a DT should step forward is if they found a red". I think everyone would agree that I'm not taking your posts out of context here. Only is a pretty strong word. And even if I look at the post you're replying to, Abenson doesn't mention unprotected DTs specifically.
Oops and you decide not to respond to my comments on your second and third pms. Trying to cover that up?
"NO ONE could have voted for malongo and he STILL would have died." This is true. But why are you trying to deny the fact that BC and I started the move against Malongo? Sure, it wasn't the most solid analysis, but it still counts for something. Regardless of what the outcome was, its the actions and the motives that are important here. Yes, you are downplaying Malongo's lynch, perhaps because as mafia, you fear that BC and I will become too trusted by the town. There's no logical reason why BC and I would start a train against our own mafia teammate when we didn't have to. Everyone seemed perfectly happy bandwagoning Abenson. Mafia didn't need to break the status quo. And now you're saying they did.
I now have proof that BC and I are either BOTH mafia or both town, which I'll bring up later. I'm taking the heat for BC because you are doing something incredibly narrow minded, short sighted, and misguided. As for you, I'd appreciate if you didn't spam the thread with all that vulgar and useless language.
On March 17 2010 05:25 Abenson wrote:
I went to mafiascum.net and I've just realized that Incog is scummer himself and won the IC award :O
I don't play on mafiascum.
Quote from sidesprang: Show nested quote +Which brings us to other candidates. Quite frankly, there's a lot. We can never be sure, but at the moment, I'm not comfortable at all with Abenson as a candidate. I would suggest Malongo and Sidesprang as alternatives. Both of whom have very few posts. Malongo has also gone mysteriously missing after his bid for office. Soon after posting, he was called out, and never responded. Which is always unsettling. Furthermore, he usually posts more material. Sometimes its not very useful material, but he always has some material. Either way, this is different for Malongo.
No this is a quote from me.
On March 17 2010 07:45 Bill Murray wrote:
sorry for misquoting you sidesprang, seemed suspicious though.
i guess ill ask you, then, incognito. why were you so worried about malongo's inactivity? I wasn't even aware he was inactive, I was bloody f5ing the voting thread ready to switch my vote on him if he showed up.
This has been stated several times. Inactive + ran for mayor then disappeared. He's also known for posting a lot more. And Abenson was a worse lynch target because nobody defended him and he was acting like he was every game.
On March 17 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, Incognito, why have you been a lot less active in organizing the town this game as compared with the last?
Because I haven't. More to come.
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Page 53. An interesting page that has a handful of people spamming "that sucks" posts all over. Yes it does suck. But Versatile, I thought you wanted us to die anyway?
On to business. And roleclaims. And clearing BC of guilt.
First off, I am the Bus Driver. If you guys haven't figured it out yet, the reason why we all had figured out blues was because we were all blue. Durr. And the reason why I didn't claim driver after my election was so that the mafia/mafia driver wouldnt mess up our checks.
So, on to confirmations. Night 1, BC checks sidesprang. I bus sidesprang and L. L is rolechecked and comes up as a Mad Hatter, which is all fine and dandy. While this confirms L and me to BC, it did nothing to confirm BC to me. Day 2, I receive a pm from a claimed DT. Now I get hella suspicious of BC, guessing that the balance would be terribly off if we had 2 DTs and only 5 mafia. So fearing that I had wasted my first bus to a manipulative GF, I decided to end this once and for all. BC would be tested by bus. Simple, really. I ask BC to check player X. Then, I use my powers to swap player X with any of the other remaining 19 players on the field. BC now has to guess who I swapped with, in addition to the role. 1/19 is pretty slim for a fake DT. Fortunately, BC passed the test. So either we are both mafia, or we are both town. Any questions?
Will post more about lynch targets in a short while.
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If I were the mafia BD, do you really think I would waste BOTH of my two uses to not screw the town over? You really think I would confirm BC to you and link you guys to 2 DTs and a Hatter?
It is unlikely that both DTs would check the same target on night 1. However, sidesprang was fishy. So it is somewhat understandable. Again, yes, the double check on sidesprang was what made me initially suspicious. But now I'm almost 100% sure that we have 2 legit DTs.
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On March 17 2010 12:40 L wrote:
Ah incog you're dumb. Don't tell them shit.
Nop given the BG situation its time for a power play. Time to get this game wrapped up.
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Lynch targets:
d3_crescentia - In previous games as town, he is vocal and provides some logical and useful insight for the town, both with behavioral analysis and general game plan discussion. This game, he has provided far less. Although he gave some reasons/work etc., I am still suspicious.
Versatile - She has been contradicting herself the whole game and also posting garbage. She doesn't really do much except attack BC. She also does a pretty bad job at it too, considering she wants to insta lynch instead of gradually building the case with his "DT" checks.
XeliN - First post, he states that he has a paper and won't be very active. Then he wants to make a rule against inactivity. Oops! Secondly, if you go through his posts, notice that a lot of his posts are defending Bill Murray. Does he defend anyone else? No. Does he try to accuse anyone else? Not really. Oops! XeliN also wants me over L or BC for Mayor/Pardoner. Claims I am a better candidate/stronger player. Maybe this is because of last game, but maybe its just because L/BC were more outspoken about their blueness. Other things: He votes for Abenson. After I post my reasons for Malongo. Reason? Because Abenson has contributed nothing. Malongo hadn't contributed anything either. Oops! Also the his next post he asks me to post my accusations of Malongo publically. Another oops? Either way, XeliN is probably tied to Bill Murray. He seems probably the most fishy to me.
Bill Murray - Yes, we all know he spams. But I don't want to lynch him because he spams. I want to lynch him because I think he's mafia. Read L's analysis. Its good. Read my accusation of XeliN. If you think XeliN is suspicious, maybe you can agree with Bill Murray too?
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Oh also vote for double lynch. Thanks.
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On March 17 2010 12:45 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2010 12:19 Incognito wrote:On March 17 2010 02:32 Versatile wrote:On March 17 2010 02:07 Incognito wrote:On March 16 2010 01:19 Versatile wrote:On March 15 2010 23:24 Abenson wrote:
Hello, I am back and have gotten caught up with the whole thing.
I have realized that I am to be lynched if this goes on, but I think this is wrong.
This is because:
a) I have shown no obvious signs of being mafia so far, other than inactivity. I am still in high school and it's currently march break, so I'm generally off somewhere or playing Starcraft with my friends.
b) I, as myself, would not like to be lynched.
c) As someone have said, nobody has come to defend me yet, this means that the mafia or anyone isn't trying hard to save me. Therefore I think this is sufficient proof that I have nobody working with me.
d) As for the "dt's post their results" is because I think that it is perfectly logical; And also I really have nothing better to post at the time and wanted to contribute.
Finally, I would like to say that lynching someone simply because of lack of candidate is generally a bad idea. It is wasting valuable lynches and plus I haven't really done anything that is suspicious. the only time a DT should step forward is if they found a red. if they didn't, then there is no reason for them to put themselves in the limelight. On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote:
also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"?
that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT.
mafia's weakness: numbers.
our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. On March 17 2010 00:50 Versatile wrote:On March 16 2010 10:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote:
also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"?
that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT.
mafia's weakness: numbers.
our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. The moment you go to lynch them I WILL TELL YOU SO. At the moment all I've cleared sadly for you are blues. I am not telling you who they are, and I have already confirmed I am in contact with a driver. You at the moment don't need to know more than that. You don't need to know who I am talking to at the moment either. This debate happened pages ago. It seems very interesting that the same people are pushing to get information on who I have cleared. If this was three days from now, when I have a larger list of people and takes time for the mafia to kill them all, possibly not a bad idea. Early on however means they can kill them faster than I can check. If they are green or blue is irrelevant. Soon as their name is down, mafia knows they are cleared. The fact you keep pushing this same idea is baffling. I get that you want me to prove my role, I do get it. By releasing a list of names for mafia to off however is insanely stupid. Your actions while challenging me are great. I do encourage the town to do so till I am proven, however, you constantly pushing for my death + publically giving all the information I have more implies that your not playing with the towns best interests at heart. Get off your high horse and stop demanding shit. DT info is fed via mouths, or in the case they get elected and proven (yes you can claim I'm not proven yet), they give what they can safely to town, and can give the rest to trusted confirms. first of all, stop crying. if you didn't want to be pushed or questioned, you should have never signed up for mayor. it's what comes with the territory. and it's not about me. it's also not about you. it's about what's best for the town, and you're sadly mistaken if you think you're doing what's best for the town. it's about to be day 3, and you haven't shown the town, in the thread, any definitive leadership. i understand that you don't want the mafia killing confirmed townies. however, if you were to announce player A and player B are townies to the town, and the mafia proceeds to kill them, guess what? the mafia just confirmed your innocence for the town. don't you get that? i mean, they're going to kill townies any way, they know who their own are. i think sacrificing 1 or 2 greens is worth achieving a confirmed DT mayor.at the moment that we know we can trust you BC, the game is over. you can get role claims from all of us, and end this. i cannot comprehend why it is almost day 3 and you have not made more movement on this. so, i apologize if it seems like i am "viciously attacking" you. that's not my intention. i just want answers from our leader. Lets take a look at these three posts from Versatile. First, she agrees with BC's idea that DTs should only announce red checks. Second post, she decides that BC is pulling BS here when he decides to follow the plan that she agreed with. Third post, I guess she figures that her previous attempt to get BC to spit out the confirmed townies didn't work and is desperate to find another way? Her plan is flawed for obvious reasons stated above. I dont know, but why do you keep switching your views on things that seem like they should be policy no matter what your role? Something doesn't add up here. Care to explain? Also, who do you suggest we lynch tomorrow? Did you read L's analysis of Bill Murray? On another note, On March 16 2010 10:31 Versatile wrote:
ummm, no @ BM.
i agree with whoever said malongo being red was luck. he wasn't even playing.
as for our next lynch target: town, if you don't recognize that someone between BC, L and incog is mafia, i will once again have to refer to the collective as a bunch of dingbats.
clearly, something is not adding up. at least one of them is mafia. and if we lynch one of them, we're guaranteed a red popping up.
my suggestion would be BC. and if incog threatens to pardon, we should kill incog first. Downplaying Malongo's lynch. Which fine, it wasn't some awesome convincing analysis. But it was a successful guess. Would the mafia really risk starting a train on Malongo when he hadn't been previously discussed? Sure, he was inactive and a good target to gain credibility, but at this point, they have more issues to worry about then gaining credibility from lynches. Either way, you've mentioned repeatedly that it is self-evident that one of BC/me/L are mafia. In fact you keep saying this as if you're 100% sure that this is true seemingly out of nowhere. Stirring up the town based on a percieved false consensus here? BC's alignment can be tested severely. Yours unfortunately is a bit more difficult. But I guess I'll wait to comment further until you answer this post. 1. that post was referring to an UNPROTECTED DT. i never agreed that BC should keep his checks secretly. not once. go read my posts. once again, stop misrepresenting my what i wrote. this is the same shyt people were doing to L. i have used to the same policy the entire time. i haven't changed my mind. so that point is null and void. 2. lol, are you serious? downplaying malongo's lynch? if i were mafia, what would i gain from doing this? and how was it a successful guess? NO ONE could have voted for malongo and he STILL would have died. that's not a towny victory. that's just bad luck for the mafia. further, citi.zen and L both said the same thing. but it only matters to you that i said it right? 3. i don't understand how you can say that i am "stirring up the town based on perceived false consensus". i am not the only towny who has said this, so there is no perceived false consensus. fact is, it is very unlikely that that all three of you are blue/green. that's what i think, and if you don't like, go cry to someone else about it. now, instead of riding my jock, maybe you'd like to actually post something substantial. cut the "all will be made clear in the morning's dawn when God whispers in your ear" bullshit. you're also an elected official and i don't see you doing much either. in fact, i find it suspicious that you're taking all the heat for BC when you claim to be suspicious of him yourself. what's up with that, boss? Thank you for the nonsense garbage reply that ignores half of my statements. Again, "the only time a DT should step forward is if they found a red". I think everyone would agree that I'm not taking your posts out of context here. Only is a pretty strong word. And even if I look at the post you're replying to, Abenson doesn't mention unprotected DTs specifically. Oops and you decide not to respond to my comments on your second and third pms. Trying to cover that up? "NO ONE could have voted for malongo and he STILL would have died." This is true. But why are you trying to deny the fact that BC and I started the move against Malongo? Sure, it wasn't the most solid analysis, but it still counts for something. Regardless of what the outcome was, its the actions and the motives that are important here. Yes, you are downplaying Malongo's lynch, perhaps because as mafia, you fear that BC and I will become too trusted by the town. There's no logical reason why BC and I would start a train against our own mafia teammate when we didn't have to. Everyone seemed perfectly happy bandwagoning Abenson. Mafia didn't need to break the status quo. And now you're saying they did. I now have proof that BC and I are either BOTH mafia or both town, which I'll bring up later. I'm taking the heat for BC because you are doing something incredibly narrow minded, short sighted, and misguided. As for you, I'd appreciate if you didn't spam the thread with all that vulgar and useless language. On March 17 2010 05:25 Abenson wrote:
I went to mafiascum.net and I've just realized that Incog is scummer himself and won the IC award :O I don't play on mafiascum. Quote from sidesprang: Which brings us to other candidates. Quite frankly, there's a lot. We can never be sure, but at the moment, I'm not comfortable at all with Abenson as a candidate. I would suggest Malongo and Sidesprang as alternatives. Both of whom have very few posts. Malongo has also gone mysteriously missing after his bid for office. Soon after posting, he was called out, and never responded. Which is always unsettling. Furthermore, he usually posts more material. Sometimes its not very useful material, but he always has some material. Either way, this is different for Malongo. No this is a quote from me. On March 17 2010 07:45 Bill Murray wrote:
sorry for misquoting you sidesprang, seemed suspicious though.
i guess ill ask you, then, incognito. why were you so worried about malongo's inactivity? I wasn't even aware he was inactive, I was bloody f5ing the voting thread ready to switch my vote on him if he showed up. This has been stated several times. Inactive + ran for mayor then disappeared. He's also known for posting a lot more. And Abenson was a worse lynch target because nobody defended him and he was acting like he was every game. On March 17 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, Incognito, why have you been a lot less active in organizing the town this game as compared with the last? Because I haven't. More to come. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 53. An interesting page that has a handful of people spamming "that sucks" posts all over. Yes it does suck. But Versatile, I thought you wanted us to die anyway? On to business. And roleclaims. And clearing BC of guilt. First off, I am the Bus Driver. If you guys haven't figured it out yet, the reason why we all had figured out blues was because we were all blue. Durr. And the reason why I didn't claim driver after my election was so that the mafia/mafia driver wouldnt mess up our checks. So, on to confirmations. Night 1, BC checks sidesprang. I bus sidesprang and L. L is rolechecked and comes up as a Mad Hatter, which is all fine and dandy. While this confirms L and me to BC, it did nothing to confirm BC to me. Day 2, I receive a pm from a claimed DT. Now I get hella suspicious of BC, guessing that the balance would be terribly off if we had 2 DTs and only 5 mafia. So fearing that I had wasted my first bus to a manipulative GF, I decided to end this once and for all. BC would be tested by bus. Simple, really. I ask BC to check player X. Then, I use my powers to swap player X with any of the other remaining 19 players on the field. BC now has to guess who I swapped with, in addition to the role. 1/19 is pretty slim for a fake DT. Fortunately, BC passed the test. So either we are both mafia, or we are both town. Any questions? Will post more about lynch targets in a short while. 1. since you're trying to use my quotes against me, here's one from earlier on in the game that clarifies my feelings on people claiming. i can admit i could have been clearer in the post you quoted, but hopefully this will put it to rest. Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 02:00 Versatile wrote:
sorry folks, just got caught up with the thread, haven't had much free time lately. and i knew that might happen, which is why i got my vote in early.
at the time i voted, it was L and incog who were the top candidates and incog read as more pro-town to me, hence my vote.
a couple of things: incog stated he expected more form me in this game. this in itself is not strange, because i'm pretty sure incog is familiar with my playing on another site. however, he called out malongo and foolishness as well. i don't believe malongo has addressed this accusation yet.
however, foolishness not only didn't bother to defend himself to incog or any other player, but went as far as defending incog's post and went back and forth with zona.
this struck me because if zona's not town, who the hell is? check his posts, if i had been around, that's who i would i have changed my vote to.
in any case, i also received an incog PM stating "first". however, i believe the medics need to be protecting zona, and i hope that's what they decide to do.
as i stated earlier, DTs ought to be checking the vote lists. if we have a mafia member in office, it's likely a mafia member or two voted for them, especially with a last minute vote swing, if i read correctly.
i also don't think anyone without protection should be claiming a damn thing to anyone right now. DTs should be investigating and building up their circle in the most secure and legitimate way they can, and it's far too early to be trusting anyone.
going to update my archives now. 2. what did you say about your PMs? what would i have to cover up? here are my PMs with incog for all who are interested. i have nothing to hide. read bottom up, bolded is me: + Show Spoiler +sure, if you promise to choke on a dick sometime within the next couple of hours
once again, i don't play behind the scenes so stop PMing me. play in the thread.
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Well if you don't play behind the scenes, I'm sure you're willing to post more in the thread? At the moment I don't think I've heard much from you, especially in the past few days.
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well, i have no intel other than what i posted in the thread. i don't play the game behind the scenes. so i'll look for your info in there, if ever you post it.
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What will catch our mayor is if he slips up a DT check. That doesn't require thread information. I just don't BC to have the bus driver excuse when I press him for a specific role check, if you know what I mean. Right now I'm just trying to gather intel from others on him. When/if I catch him I will post everything.
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i think you should be posting in the thread if you suspect our mayor, because that's what will help the town.
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Knowing that you are a responsible player, I would like to know your thoughts about the current situation. I have received some information that makes me doubt BC's legitimacy. What do you think? 3. i wasn't downplaying malongo's death, get over yourself. all i said was that it wasn't based on some fantastic move from the town. the guy was inactive, and he was modkilled. that took no skill from anyone. period. 4. i said it seriously, seriously sucks that zona is gone. nothing to do with you, friend. 5. i could give a damn what you think about my language. seriously. feel free not to read my posts. getting your panties in a bunch over some jokes and sarcasm. it's not personal, so why so sensitive.
Sorry, I didn't mean pms I meant posts  The second and third in the trio I quoted.
Doesnt seem like you read my explanation on Malongo but ok. At this point I'm less sure about you than the others. At this point I'm leaning XeliN. What does everyone else think?
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On March 17 2010 12:57 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like you all should keep me around based upon my alignment, my activity, and my ability to catch reds.
First, I am green. You can not be sure of this, but I am. I promise to not ever play another mafia game with you all if I am not green or black this game. I am yearning for a town win. I am comforted by incognito promising that the officials have their acts together. I have put heat on people that are red. I do not see how that I am even being considered for a lynch target.
I am a very active participant in the thread. There are many people with posts that you could count on your hands. I have had more than that on one page of the thread. Now, I'm not saying that my spamming is good, and starting with this post I'm going to attempt to begin consolidating my posting style again, like I tried to at the beginning of this thread, but if you'll notice in the thread it has shifted more towards course of action as opposed to FoS and putting heat on people. I feel like that my posting shifts with the current mood of the thread. The better the people are posting, and the more information they are giving out, the more I will take the game seriously and post like a champion.
I feel like that in a late game scenario, in which I am green, there is 1 red, and there is 1 medic, I will vote correctly a better percent of the time than almost anyone. I have a great instinct and intuition for scummy behavior over time. I am a great judge of people's character over time. The more information I have about people, the better I can do in relation to analyzing their thought process and their overall alignment. This requires time, and that requires me to live.
Think about what you all are doing. You are really arbitrarily wasting a lynch. There are 17 better candidates in my eyes, as I am the only person I am sure of.
Quit talking about how you're so good at finding the mafia. Go find them. Like L said previously in response to ~OpZ~'s long defense posts, defending yourself doesn't do that much good unless you have a solid case. Sadly, you don't. So instead of trying to defend yourself, start generating some content. That makes us way more likely to not lynch you than if you just sit here spamming "IM GREEN" all day.
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On March 17 2010 13:00 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2010 12:38 Incognito wrote:
If I were the mafia BD, do you really think I would waste BOTH of my two uses to not screw the town over? You really think I would confirm BC to you and link you guys to 2 DTs and a Hatter?
It is unlikely that both DTs would check the same target on night 1. However, sidesprang was fishy. So it is somewhat understandable. Again, yes, the double check on sidesprang was what made me initially suspicious. But now I'm almost 100% sure that we have 2 legit DTs. The problem is Incognito, you keep making very obviously bad arguments. Coming from you this is confusing. Perhaps it's fine from L, but not you. Here's why what you say above is wrong: as a mafia-aligned bus driver, your real power right now would not be busing people around, it would be information and access to a trusted circle. I am seriously tempted to say that lynching one of you is the best move, just to confirm the color before we go forward. Especially if L goes back to obnoxious shit like this:
Can you point out my "obviously bad arguments"? I might be able to explain them.
Has anyone important died? No. Well, not besides Zona. But that would kinda be expected from the mafia, no? Either way, as a mafia, I'd be way more inclined to just silence the people who roleclaim to me with bullets instead of trying to goad them, waste my powers, AND telling this all to the town.
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On March 17 2010 13:05 Bill Murray wrote:
xelin is green just like i am, that's what i bloody think.
Why.
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On March 17 2010 13:11 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2010 13:07 Incognito wrote:On March 17 2010 12:57 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like you all should keep me around based upon my alignment, my activity, and my ability to catch reds.
First, I am green. You can not be sure of this, but I am. I promise to not ever play another mafia game with you all if I am not green or black this game. I am yearning for a town win. I am comforted by incognito promising that the officials have their acts together. I have put heat on people that are red. I do not see how that I am even being considered for a lynch target.
I am a very active participant in the thread. There are many people with posts that you could count on your hands. I have had more than that on one page of the thread. Now, I'm not saying that my spamming is good, and starting with this post I'm going to attempt to begin consolidating my posting style again, like I tried to at the beginning of this thread, but if you'll notice in the thread it has shifted more towards course of action as opposed to FoS and putting heat on people. I feel like that my posting shifts with the current mood of the thread. The better the people are posting, and the more information they are giving out, the more I will take the game seriously and post like a champion.
I feel like that in a late game scenario, in which I am green, there is 1 red, and there is 1 medic, I will vote correctly a better percent of the time than almost anyone. I have a great instinct and intuition for scummy behavior over time. I am a great judge of people's character over time. The more information I have about people, the better I can do in relation to analyzing their thought process and their overall alignment. This requires time, and that requires me to live.
Think about what you all are doing. You are really arbitrarily wasting a lynch. There are 17 better candidates in my eyes, as I am the only person I am sure of. Quit talking about how you're so good at finding the mafia. Go find them. Like L said previously in response to ~OpZ~'s long defense posts, defending yourself doesn't do that much good unless you have a solid case. Sadly, you don't. So instead of trying to defend yourself, start generating some content. That makes us way more likely to not lynch you than if you just sit here spamming "IM GREEN" all day. I have the best defense in the world. I'm green. You want to put your head up for execution when I flip green? No? I wonder why. Because you know I'm town aligned.
Thats it. I'm done with you. I gave you a chance, and you ignored it.
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On March 17 2010 13:14 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2010 13:00 citi.zen wrote:On March 17 2010 12:38 Incognito wrote:
If I were the mafia BD, do you really think I would waste BOTH of my two uses to not screw the town over? You really think I would confirm BC to you and link you guys to 2 DTs and a Hatter?
It is unlikely that both DTs would check the same target on night 1. However, sidesprang was fishy. So it is somewhat understandable. Again, yes, the double check on sidesprang was what made me initially suspicious. But now I'm almost 100% sure that we have 2 legit DTs. The problem is Incognito, you keep making very obviously bad arguments. Coming from you this is confusing. Perhaps it's fine from L, but not you. Here's why what you say above is wrong: as a mafia-aligned bus driver, your real power right now would not be busing people around, it would be information and access to a trusted circle. I am seriously tempted to say that lynching one of you is the best move, just to confirm the color before we go forward. Especially if L goes back to obnoxious shit like this: On March 17 2010 12:40 L wrote:
Ah incog you're dumb. Don't tell them shit. Still can't understand why the "other DT" would trust Incognito, the un-confirmable bus driver, over L, who he got to personally check. Another thing too: Ace dropped from this game because he thought it was too town-imbalanced with ONE DT in office, given the two body-guards, medics and unlimited checks. Now we're told there are TWO DTs and a town-allied bus driver? Why would Flamewheel do that? It makes no sense to me. Sorry to keep harping on this, but if Incognito (or, as a remote possibility, all 3 of you) are red, we're screwed. Of course, if you're all true-blue all's great. I'd love to be able to believe that, but I can't do it yet.
Yes, I was wondering why he didnt claim to L either. I think it was something related to not trusting L/ thinking L would leak. Bad reasoning, I know, but I think it was a blind faith claim. But hey, we know a bunch of people who've claimed blindly.
Yes, this game is hillariously imba. But totally awesome if you're the driver. Unfortunately, the role will probably be never used again since its so imba. 
If I'm red, why would I need to hit the BGs? If I already have BC in the bag, why would I need him dead?
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On March 17 2010 13:22 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2010 13:14 L wrote:
Please fucking ignore him incog. Its pretty obvious that he's guilty as shit.
Focus on important matters; If you trust me, Its claim time.
DTs: Night check information from night 2 please.
Bus Drivers and Medics: I can understand you guys being afraid, so I won't be dropping the hateraid on you if you don't claim, but we need to co-ordinate protection for the next night. Its REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT. So give me a shout if you think I'm legit, which you probably should if you've read this thread for long enough. L, how about this: lynch me today. If I turn red... good riddance, you get to move on. If I turn blue, the town the uses the 2x lynch on you and Incognito. He is the un-confirmable bus driver who already used his powers anyway, and you supposedly wanted to be blown up anyway to kill your great targets and help the town. I don't mind being lynched one bit if it helps the town confirm both of you. On your end, this is the 3rd time you call me red. Back your shit up and vote for my lynching.
Why do you feel the need to be so defensive when we obviously have a bunch of other better targets to lynch?
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On March 17 2010 14:28 Bill Murray wrote:
I really don't know if I even enjoy playing mafia anymore. I'm the most obvious green in the whole thread, and people are simply voting for me because i'm an easy target. It's not even fun when people are all elitist and shit. Sure, you all may have more games under your belt, but that doesn't make you better than me. The elitism isn't what gets me though, it's the people who blindly follow them and bandwagon onto votes. This shit has got to stop.
I wasn't elitist. I told you what you could do to help a few pages back. If you choose to ignore our suggestions, then don't come back yelling about how we're unfairly voting you. Saying I'm green doesn't make you green. Saying you don't lie is just circular logic. The way to prove yourself is not stating you're green. Its by producing content.
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On March 17 2010 14:36 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2010 14:34 Incognito wrote:On March 17 2010 14:28 Bill Murray wrote:
I really don't know if I even enjoy playing mafia anymore. I'm the most obvious green in the whole thread, and people are simply voting for me because i'm an easy target. It's not even fun when people are all elitist and shit. Sure, you all may have more games under your belt, but that doesn't make you better than me. The elitism isn't what gets me though, it's the people who blindly follow them and bandwagon onto votes. This shit has got to stop. I wasn't elitist. I told you what you could do to help a few pages back. If you choose to ignore our suggestions, then don't come back yelling about how we're unfairly voting you. Saying I'm green doesn't make you green. Saying you don't lie is just circular logic. The way to prove yourself is not stating you're green. Its by producing content. I'm producing more content than 90% of the people playing.
I guess you're confused about what content means. How about for a start, you do what you did in that long post early in the game where you posted your suspicions. THAT was content. Right now you're just spamming useless claims.
And no, you're not the same case as Abenson. Unlike Abenson, we have some solid information on you. So you can't claim the same defense I used for Abenson.
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On March 17 2010 14:42 Bill Murray wrote:
I'd like to know how in the fuck you have information on me when i'm green.
This.
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On March 17 2010 16:11 Bill Murray wrote:
BloodyC0bbler Votes: 8
Vivi57
tree.hugger
Incognito
Zona
Fulgrim
Iaaan
johnnyspazz
CynanMachae
Incognito Votes: 7
Versatile
Abenson
XeliN
Fishball
madnessman
JeeJee
Bill Murray
It is a critical point of the game. I am trying to help you all. You can drastically improve your chances with 4/17 or 3/17. You have a 0% chance of 3/17 if you lynch me. I am a town member. I hope the town can finally see that since I am trying to be helpful, and to want what is best and good for this town. I'd love to win.
If I was looking for a red, I would definitely be looking at where people voted, posts someone has made, and where the person was aligned. To me, it looks like it would be someone who was voting for L. The fact that L claims that mafia won't vote to try to get someone into office, and was generally mad about losing the election in which he really wanted pardoner while scummily claiming he wanted to be mayor. L was the true mayoral candidate, and tries to clear his name forcing Malongo to die since L posted right after Malongo's candidacy that he was probably the Mafia candidate. He would be cleared of the format, and made into Godfather by his team where he was the only veteran. L would then proceed to pick Mad Hatter because it is only accounted for posthumously. Malongo could say that the epic Chilean Earthquake devastated his IP and voila he would at most have a 1 game ban if any at all depending on the host.
L then goes on to say RC me, Bus me, Focus on me I'm clean, and would have been saying "I pardon my red buddies." If I hadn't been a thorn in his side for that one, too. Glad that wasn't a vivi 2.0. By confusing the people in office and bein the one privately pming them whispering in their ears like wormtongue he can abuse them into doing what he wants them to do. He is being very manipulative having you all kill a person who is trying to help the town win moreso than any other player!!!!!!! Don't let him manipulate you. Be strong. He's wanted to kill me all game people!
The Mafia will try to hide my post, trust me, this will get spammed to death if not tonight, before everyone wakes up. L is over 5% likely to be mafia, (1/18) and I am 0%. This is the only knowledge I have to impart to you all. I understand that you all believe that people say this no matter what their color, but I am seriously not a liar. I have been blue once, and I roleclaimed detective day 1 in a pm... maybe night 1... yeah. lol. I don't know what I'd do as red, because i haven't been blessed with being red yet.
I say let's lynch L, see if I blow up, and then if he's red and we improve by 6% vs 4/17 (3/17), awesome. If he's really the mad hatter, we see fireworks, more awesome.
I am open to other targets, but he really does have a strong case against himself.
Thank you for posting. Sadly, this wall of text says nothing. You include an abhorrent misuse statistics, base your accusation on a conspiracy theory against L, and really fail to use any solid logic.
I agree with tree.hugger. Fairly suspicious character imo. If you think you townies can slack off because all the blues have it together, you're wrong. Just because we know the blues doesn't mean its insta win. Come out and prove your innocence so we don't accidentally lynch you. Don't wait until you feel the pressure to defend yourself. It just makes you look more suspicious.
Honestly Bill, why are l10f's and madnessman's posts more suspicious than you/XeliN? Don't say "because I'm green".
XeliN:
In my own opinion I have improved at this in general the more games I've played, not actually been great at catching mafia, quite the reverse, but have been good at identifying town just on the way they post.
This is as incriminating as d3's observation. As you know, the mafia know who is and isn't innocent. It wouldn't be hard for you to magically know who is town and who isn't if you were mafia. While this is not solid and incriminating in itself, it can't be ignored.
If you thought it was a bad idea THEN SAY SO, don't bring it up at a late point in the game as a reason to lynch me.
I'm not saying that enforcing activity is a bad idea. In fact, I strongly support anti-inactivity measures. However, this is not about policy. It is about consistency. You have been anti-activity from day 1. But you haven't been the most active yourself. And the activity you do have is quite suspicious. I'm not trying to lynch you because you had an anti-activity stance. I'm accusing you because your words contradict your actions. Like BM, stop defending yourself and start producing content if you want me to believe you.
At the time he was someone I was considering as well but apart from his runnning for mayor and going inactive there was little else to suggest his being mafia so I wanted you to provide your reasons.
Your post asking for reasoning on Malongo....was already given by the time you posted this. And if you suspected Malongo initially, why did you vote for Abenson? Why did you ignore mentioning Malongo in the post above? You mentioned voting for Abenson because "he has not even posted recently and as far as I can tell has contributed nothing". The same holds true for Malongo, and Malongo was even more suspicious given that his behavior was different from previous games. Given your generic reasons for voting Abenson, you did not take the time to look at other equally suspicious people, and decide to ignore Malongo even though "there was little else to suggest [Abenson]'s being mafia" either. And yes, you might want to bring more attention to a fellow mafia if you knew that that mafia was inactive anyway. Or if you thought that your supposedly harmless question could get people to doubt lynching Malongo.
Either way, I'm considering changing my vote to the Godfather. What do you all think?
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On March 18 2010 02:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, there's no way in hell anyone can know Incognito's alignment. He doesn't even know it himself. He's neutral. He could be like the secret nazi, he could be town aligned, or he could be mafia aligned. There's really no way that anyone can know this.
I know my own alignment.
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Lol.
1. Where's your proof that he knew l10f was online.
2. This: "The likeliehood of me being mafia is 0%" is not logic.
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Oh also Foolishness come out here. Thanks.
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On March 18 2010 02:27 Versatile wrote:
someone wanna explain the push for the dbl lynch?
oh grand town leaders, with brains the size of peas....ermm, eggplants, uhhh, cantaloupes...yeah.... who are the two suspects you hope to lynch with a dbl lynch? hmmmmmm?
Before answering this question, who are your top suspects? Don't you think that given that we get 2 DT checks tonight and have a bunch of fishy inactives we'll find someone to lynch? Did you run out of suspects to lynch now that you can't attack BC anymore?
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