TL Mafia Ban List - Page 98

On October 24 2011 07:20 Protactinium wrote:
I am going to request 1 game bans for Mig and sinani206.

Mig breadcrumbed role PMs to syllogism, which is definitely something that is not allowed. While "no discussing role PMs" is not an explicit rule, "no posting/comparing times on role PMs" is. This ban request is certainly not unprecedented, as (bumatlarge?) was modkilled in Ace's game for breadcrumbing, and Curu was modkilled for the same in the last game (XLV). Given that Mig was playing and was aware of what was going on last game, there really should be no excuse for his behavior in this game. I propose at least a 1 game ban for him.

sinani206 brings up an example of what seems to be happening fairly often in recent games. People join games, then after the game starts, send a PM asking to be replaced with little to no compelling reasons. I understand that sometimes something important unexpectedly comes up, but this is getting ridiculous. Reasons like "I just came back from vacation and am too busy" really don't cut it. The exemptions are there to grant leniency in serious emergency cases and should not be used liberally. In the past few games I think this leniency has been abused, and it is not fair to the hosts and players when you decide you want to be replaced without a serious excuse.

I think that because of the new trend of accepting replacements, people have taken their commitment to the game less seriously and are using replacements as an easy out. I don't think many of the people asking for replacements have ever hosted a game, but it is seriously a big headache to the host when they have to scramble on short notice to find a player to replace you. The replacement policy is not here to allow you to pass your burden off to the host when you dont want to play anymore. It is here primarily to deal with emergencies. When you sign up for a game, you are signalling your intention to play. Please take it seriously.

On October 24 2011 07:18 Forumite wrote:
Yikes, there seems to be a lot of post-death posting that affected those game, that´s bad, that´s more than just than being rude and posting too much. Don´t post after death, that´s bad, stop that.

I can understand that people are mad about the bastard mod game you hosted, but hosting an odd game is not grounds for getting banned, at worst you can´t be a GM anymore. I expect that there was more than just using lover pairs, that´s not standard but far from an unknown mechanic. Secret lovers that don´t know eachother and also have different alignments, that´s another matter. Should make a fun game.

On October 24 2011 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote:


Actually just a clarification, Curu was modkilled for revealing he had been roleblocked/muted in XLV. I don't believe he was modkilled for the PM issue that happened in that game.

On October 24 2011 08:00 kitaman27 wrote:


In that case, it was a two strikes situation. If he didn't already have a warning for the breadcrumbing, the second issue probably wouldn't have resulted in a modkill.

I also think prot makes a good point about the replacement issue. Without a good reason, replacing out can be a big pain.

On October 24 2011 08:00 chaoser wrote:


You're vastly simplifying the problems and drama/chaos that was caused. He not only continued posting in one game after he died, giving out all his analysis and continued to argue his point, but he also posted the results of his DT check AFTER he had died in-game. That doesn't get excused by a "that's bad! stop that!" He's not a dog. He also harassed mods/players/etc. in PMs and when told to stop, continued.

I'd be willing to let him try again when the new year (2012) starts since I'm a three-strikes kinda guy and that's BEING NICE. I'm pretty sure some people in this subforum will always be somewhat against him coming back while others would want him to wait a whole year (so six more months?)

Anyway, I understand what posting after death does, and I understand that he´s a person, and if you ask him to stop posting after death, then he might stop it. The alternative is getting banned again, so he might take the hint this time.

Eventually, DoctorHelvetica sent a PM to Plexa asking him to deal with the situation because Bill Murray was completely out of control. After he sent the request, Bill Murray finally calmed down and apologized in the thread. However, Plexa still banned him from the site for a few days and took away his access to the Mafia Forum.
Bill Murray was just temp banned for 2 days by Plexa.

That account was created on 2009-10-24 10:18:54 and had 4018 posts.

Reason: I don't care that you apologised in the Mafia thread, your actions still warrant a ban.

On October 24 2011 08:19 Radfield wrote:
What if players find their own replacement? If I join a game, and realize suddenly that I can no longer fulfill my posting requirements, is it ok for me to go get another player to take my spot? That certainly takes the burden off the host.

I'm not trying to play devils advocate or anything, as I fully agree that replacing is being used too liberally. I replaced out of Closed Casket, and felt pretty lame when i did it. Thankfully Ace found a replacement no-problem and citizen played far better than I could have. However in that case I did tell Ace that if he couldn't find a replacement I would play it out.

Mafia just takes such a huge amount of time if you want to play well. Even if you are only around to read and post it is still an investment, and is certainly not surprising that so many people are not up for it.

On October 24 2011 08:18 chaoser wrote:


It's not like he WASN'T told to stop. Tons of people told him to stop multiple times. But he kept posting anyway. Go look up those games if you need proof. He also continually PMed hosts and mods, trying to get things his way when they specifically told him to stop doing that. When a host tells you to cool off from posting in the thread cause you've started to spam too much and are resorting to ad hominem attacks to get your point across, you don't respond back to the host/mod with a "chill out, I got this, let me do my thing" and then try to argue with the host about how to run HIS game.

You clearly did not read all of the things written in the link I posted before detailing everything:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=114622&currentpage=92#1828



It was enough to result in a REAL TL ban as well as a ban to the mafia forum so yeah...

On October 24 2011 08:54 Forumite wrote:

Guilty as charged, I didn´t read the spoilers before, and when I did my opinion of BM changed for the worse. I still think that being banned for 9 months should have taught him a lesson, and we´ll know when next he plays.

On October 24 2011 08:54 Forumite wrote:

Guilty as charged, I didn´t read the spoilers before, and when I did my opinion of BM changed for the worse. I still think that being banned for 9 months should have taught him a lesson, and we´ll know when next he plays.

On October 24 2011 09:36 iGrok wrote:

Again, go back and read, specifically the gryffindor game and the conversation when he last asked to be reinstated. Few people want him to play in their games, so even if he wasn't officially banned, either hosts wouldn't let him in or players would refuse to play (hence needing a smurf last time he played [and got banned again]). Even hosts such as myself, who weren't around during BM's first long-term ban, have read from back then and don't want him to play, based on his behavior both then and now.