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First of all, I'm going to be brutally honest here. Some of you playing are newbies. That isn't to say you're bad, but more so that you haven't had the experience of playing a true cut throat game of Mafia. The last 2 games were honestly so bland - aka too much talking about clues, that it wasn't really that much high level strategy going on. Like Ver said, talking too much about clues early is USELESS. Don't try to convince anyone that someone is Mafia based on clues for the first few days. It's nice to mention it, but do not make it a central point of focus. MTF and Camlito are the best 2 clue analyzers along with Plexa that we ever had. That was in Mafia 2 and it took a ton of planning + input from various people to even come to some of those conclusions. Chances are you won't be able to do much with clues this game unless you've got some additional proof. What I mean by this is catch someone on behavior analysis + clues + shoddy voting or motives. Saying "this clue points to Ace" is just stupid. Knowing this, I'm not surprised LL and Zato -1 are already accusing me. Look people, especially for you new players - I'm one of the biggest targets in any Mafia game. Every time. I'm super valuable. I catch people in lies all the time and I always save townies from the obvious bandwagon deaths. L and Zato may not have blatantly accused me but they just planted a seed of suspicion on me of all people, based on some wild clues. Be very wary of light weight accusations like this. I'm running for Mayor of course. But in the event I don't win, my vote is possibly going to Ver. The only reason I might not vote for him is because he has elected to kill BC which is just as bad as L/Zato wanting me dead. Our most valuable players should be saved unless it's blatantly obvious they are Mafia. There are 3 teams this game, don't even bother trying to murder all of our good players so soon. | ||
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I'm not an elitist, I'm just honest. Some people can't handle the truth. | ||
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We should NEVER rely on clues are our primary weapon for catching Mafia. Remember they are based on interpretation NOT fact. This is why I said it DOES NOT MATTER how many more people in the game are Mafia, it's always going to come down to guesswork. At the very least we can focus on behavior. Look at all the people vying for clue work when it's an easily acceptable fact by anyone that has played before that it's a bad idea. I don't have any suspects, the game just started. I tend to think things out very carefully and lay traps out well in advance to see how funny people's behaviors are. | ||
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On February 14 2010 12:18 L wrote: Well the fact that you didn't bother disputing the credibility of the clues when you're 100% certain that they don't point to you is interesting. If the clue set regarding the moonlight horseman doesn't apply to you, then who does it point to? Instead of analyse what appear to be a substantive set of clues, you've ignored them and provided the town with no content. because I'm not going to sit here and point fingers for no reason. I won't sit here and start revenge accusations just because the clues don't point to me. I won't go looking for people and say HEY THE CLUES POINT TO THIS GUY NOT ME - that doesn't help the town. It just invites one more person into the ruckus and then they have incentive to point to someone else, etc. That's just going to start a bunch of arguments. So far that's 2 things I've got you on that are incentive to cause town uprising aka Mafia Behavior. Come on, one more thing so I can check you on the list and start my epic post. | ||
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On February 14 2010 12:31 Iaaan wrote: I'm happy that you don't want to accuse people without a good reason, but the clues still point to you. Thats probably not enough for anyone to lynch you, but its still there. /slams forehead into wall Listen, let's get this straight. Clues only point to someone when it's confirmed through either the persons death or a Detective Clue Check. That's it. The clues don't point to me until one of those 2 conditions are fulfilled so stop saying it. | ||
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See. It's not that hard to call you out on your bullshit ^_^ | ||
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On February 14 2010 12:40 Fulgrim wrote: Ace you really need to give people more incentive if you expect them to vote for you. You should try and post something with more substance, then just "I'M ACE VOTE FOR ME". Some healthy mafia accusations never hurt anyone, I agree that clues aren't the most helpful early game as you can easily screw up, but its not any worse then just lynching a random player. my incentive is there. I'm already the shining beacon of innocence I always am. If I tried to do anything radically different from normal I'd be labeled as Mafia and gg'd. | ||
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Until one of their own are outted by the ton/other Mafia family and they have to choose between following the crowd or saving their own ^_^ This game is more like a bunch of loose, temporary allegiances than a 3-way death dance. | ||
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Read the last paragraph Redtooth just wrote. Seems like L is trying to FORCE the town to believe 4-5 clues are tied to me doesn't it? | ||
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When I flip green, you should just offer yourself to be voted off. | ||
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@Hobbes: If someone keeps egging me on based on clues, then I die and flip green you should lynch the accuser. You forgot to mention that in your post. Everyone should be held accountable. If we let people point fingers and an innocent gets lynched and they get away with an "oops", then everyone is going to do it. | ||
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<---haven't casted a vote yet | ||
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Ace Ver BC everyone else | ||
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<--rolls for doly all the time | ||
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I disagree with so much of you're post. You're first paragraph is blatantly wrong because clues aren't always right. The very fact that you don't even know what automatically constitutes a clue makes you wrong on that too. | ||
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On February 15 2010 09:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kk, that's what I thought you meant. Ace's arguments are circular and a bit irrational. L is keeping it objective and focusing the attention on what matters, the clue analysis. Ace is trying to divert attention away from that and making unnecessary personal attacks on L. Suspicious behavior. I'm more certain that Ace is mafia at this point than Bill Murray and if I am elected, I will lynch Ace. Bill Murray is the "safe" choice, but if he flips green we learn nothing. If he flips red, Ace/redtooth are suspicious imo, but we learn absolutely nothing if he was green other than he played badly yet again. Considering his play in the last game, it now seems more likely that he is just a bad townie. That "other mafia godfather" was initially very incriminating, but after discussing with him in PM and arguing with him a bit I don't think he's mafia at all. If he was, he'd have no reason to get angry and flame me in PM unless he is literally the worst mafia player ever. If Ace is green we get a lot more information. Personally I don't feel it would make L suspect because his accusations against him were all based on the clues, but we may be able to cross a lot of potential mafia off of our list. If he is red, Bill Murray, redtooth, and people who just immediately voted for him/defended him without thinking about the arguments would fall under some degree of suspicion. looks like my trap worked. Huge post coming up soon. You're going to have a hell of a time defending yourself. | ||
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On February 15 2010 10:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Lynching Empyrean gives us no information. Although the clue connection is solid, Ace has a strong clue AND behavioral connection imo and we learn a lot depending on how he flips. It has nothing to do with if he's a veteran or not. and another logical fallacy I've found. Get the rope ready. | ||
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Then he tried to link myself and redtooth. In fact he's done this several times in an effort to say my death will imply information about him when we haven't even done anything that shows we are on the same side. The most telling example I have is the trap I set. See I knew that regardless of what role L has, he'd attack me. In fact it's amusing that he does this all the time then people that complain about us arguing. Those people are actually my PRIME SUSPECTS because every time L and I argue a shitload of information seeps out. I'm sure L already has a list of these soon to be dead people lined up though. The main part of my trap was seeing if anyone was going to shadow L. You know, loosely agree with some of his posts no matter how wrong they are and then try and implicate me. The mere fact that you propose lynching me on Day 1 based on CLUES is a telling point that you want to off me so bad. Even L stepped back for a second to re-asses but you kept on with the accusation. However there was one other thing that tipped me over the edge. How is it possible that you are currently reading the thread, I'm not even posting and you want to lynch me and you skip Caller's post? That was probably the biggest piece of positive information in the last ~10 hours and you chose to ignore it. You are definitely not pro-town. You're Mafia. | ||
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On February 15 2010 11:28 redtooth wrote: ok now we're arguing with no goal in mind but let me just prove why you are wrong. those posts are so nostalgic: they sound like every other game where Ace and L start off by accusing each other. guess what? in this game nobody listened to ace and just shrugged off his arguments. it wasn't until i started defending him that shit really hit the fan. then everybody started talking, ace backed off and game started moving. and damage control? for what? because you think i'm mafia? or because L (who i was arguing against) and a large chunk of the town realize that i'm town aligned by now. lol you can 'start discussions' with clue analysis all you want. i'll do it by arguing against whoever is talking and randomly/halfheartedly accusing people (chezinu, BC, BM, L) to see their responses. also, if you still don't realize that Ace and i aren't aligned then omg you are slow. you are starting to seem more and more scummy, playing a lot like pyrr did when he was mafia (spamming, agreeing with vets, eventually you'll start apologizing for mistakes). can't wait to see what Ace has in store and can't wait to see what you've got to say. gg scum. don't forget how he tries to tie loose implications up as "solid" facts. Seriously this is so lol. | ||
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Dr.H there's another more specific post I have coming up. Sit tight, that seat is about to get a lot hotter. | ||
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On February 15 2010 12:03 L wrote: Ace and I, while often opponents, do not typically argue about this we consider irrelevant. If Ace says he thinks clues are worthless, he actually thinks clues are worthless. Many of our arguments come up after the game ends again because neither of us are convinced that our opposite made a good case. In the current instance, I don't see what Ace's argument is other than "I SET A TRAP BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO AGREES WITH L MUST BE MAFIA". Seems pretty dumb; if you actually set that trap, you'd be going balls deep trying to kill Iaaan. BC i'm commenting on your post, had to get a word in edgewise because these two parties are silly. Of course you can't see it, cuz you're not me ^_^ Don't worry about Iaaan. Dr.H comes off way more suspicious for the mere fact he's equating my behavior as Mafia-ish. Really do we have to go through this every game where someone keeps trying to get a bandwagon against me? Either way like I said if you're going to try and use clues as the motivating factor for lynches this game then the town has to agree to hold anyone responsible for mistakes. If you start a bandwagon, or are a main contributor in the lynching of a townie you deserve to be lynched off the bat. No exceptions. In the event I die, when I flip green I really don't want anyone to say "well it was a mistaken clue interpretation". | ||
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So in past games I've just begun to blatantly ignore it, hoping that others just read your post and see it for themselves. The fact that me "vigorously" defending myself must mean I'm mafia is so beyond stupid I'm hoping we've got enough sensible people working in the backgrounds on all of this. Either way, it just makes me feel more important and makes my ego bigger. I love the fact that even when I'm just sitting back relaxing the "Ace must be Mafia!" plays start coming. Just goes to show you how great a player I am that people go out of there way to make themselves fail. | ||
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On February 15 2010 13:07 Bill Murray wrote: Ace at first seemed to be acting like he did in a game I read before I played my first mafia game... a game where Chezinu was detective. I've looked for the game, but I can't seem to find the correct one. Chezinu basically comes out and yells "WHOO IM THE BEST DIE MAFIA" and ace facepalms just like this (not literally). But, still, I would really like to find that game. It might just be how he acts, though, which is the reason i'm not certain that DoctorH is red just yet, and don't push for his lynching even regarding past discrepancies (flaming him in pms/my stupid comment that forced edit in the previous game that ruined the game[thanks for the second chance, btw.]/the fact that we aren't really on friendly terms because of my meanness.), but with 39.7777%(rofl my math rulez)of the game mafia, how can u really be sure? Ace, would you agree to dying if DoctorH flips green? Sure. Why not? Also I act like I'm above the law and don't really care in most Mafia games. In the past ~4 games I've tried to just chill, sit back and let others do the work but then people become sheepish so I have to step in. This game I was called out before I even posted and I'm accused of being Mafia because I'm defending myself. Seriously this is getting pretty sad. | ||
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On February 15 2010 15:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Information: If flip red we can analyze: Vocal Supporters Who voted for you for mayor, particularly while giving little reason Vocal accusers (L, Myself, laaan) are very likely not in the same mafia family as you People trying to distract attention from accusations toward you without offering a real argument A relatively large amount of posts to analyze from the perspective of a mafia from a specific family If you flip green, it's fair to analyze: Vocal accusers seem more suspicious Voters for the most vocal accusers People who suddenly bandwagon against you late in the thread/without reason If I flip red you can't analyze my vocal supporters. There aren't any. No one has supported me so far, only people who have said you guys may be wrong. That isn't support. It doesn't matter if you're not in the same family - you'd still be suspect. Who has tried to distract attention from this argument? List them please. For the very last time, you can't analyze my posts. In fact before you even try and get me killed it might be a wise idea and analyze them now to see what you can find. And by analyze I don't mean "hey guys, look what Ace said" but more akin to what links if any you can see to other people. I ask this sincerely because before you try and kill me on the basis I'm Mafia you should do this BEFORE offing me to make sure you have some clue of what you are doing. Needless to say I think you're so off tangent so this will hopefully show you why you're wrong. Now if you lynch me when I'm innocent you don't even get any more information based on my last paragraph. You have nothing to link me on. Nothing. you'd start the next day with the SAME information as the last. If you can prove me wrong, do it now by examining my posts and see what you can find that is going to be so mind blowing to the town it gets us a path to the Mafia. | ||
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On February 15 2010 15:07 Iaaan wrote: In addition to DoctorH's post: I wrote about this in my first long post, I see connections between you, Redtooth, and possibly other people like decefchicken and abenson. and if your red, we can connect you to one of the clues, and thus rule out other people who also fit the same clue. If your green, then it still leaves suspicion on the people who fit the clue. And I'm going to bed now, no more posts from me for like 12 hours. so...because decaf and Abenson voted for me if I flip red that makes them suspicious? How about when I flip green? You don't get any further information about either of them. Hence, you're still on the wrong track. | ||
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[QUOTE]On February 15 2010 15:16 Ace wrote: [QUOTE]On February 15 2010 15:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Information: If flip red we can analyze: Vocal Supporters Who voted for you for mayor, particularly while giving little reason Vocal accusers (L, Myself, laaan) are very likely not in the same mafia family as you People trying to distract attention from accusations toward you without offering a real argument A relatively large amount of posts to analyze from the perspective of a mafia from a specific family If you flip green, it's fair to analyze: Vocal accusers seem more suspicious Voters for the most vocal accusers People who suddenly bandwagon against you late in the thread/without reason[/QUOTE] If I flip red you can't analyze my vocal supporters. There aren't any. No one has supported me so far, only people who have said you guys may be wrong. That isn't support. It doesn't matter if you're not in the same family - you'd still be suspect. Who has tried to distract attention from this argument? List them please. For the very last time, you can't analyze my posts. In fact before you even try and get me killed it might be a wise idea and analyze them now to see what you can find. And by analyze I don't mean "hey guys, look what Ace said" but more akin to what links if any you can see to other people. I ask this sincerely because before you try and kill me on the basis I'm Mafia you should do this BEFORE offing me to make sure you have some clue of what you are doing. Needless to say I think you're so off tangent so this will hopefully show you why you're wrong. Now if you lynch me when I'm innocent you don't even get any more information based on my last paragraph. You have nothing to link me on. Nothing. you'd start the next day with the SAME information as the last. If you can prove me wrong, do it now by examining my posts and see what you can find that is going to be so mind blowing to the town it gets us a path to the Mafia. [/QUOTE] [quote]You said yourself if you flip green, that myself/L/laaan are likely mafia. Saying there is no information to be gleaned from your death either way is silly.[/quote] Look at my paragraph before the last then re-read what I was addressing. It makes perfect sense. [quote] I wouldn't call ver a vocal supporter of you, but like redtooth said. If you are mafia, your allies will likely not vehemently defend you but perhaps try to discourage the use of clue analysis. Ver made a post a while back saying that "anyone discouraging clue usage is probably innocent" and it seems to me (please correct me if I'm wrong) that you tried to discourage redtooth from making anti-ver posts with your PM to him. redtooth just now has added a fair amount to the case for you being scum. You're saying my suspicion isn't based on any analysis, but I've stated many times it has to do with your dodging L's questions, being unwilling to provide alternative solutions, and the biggest basis of your argument being "fuck you I'm ace i dont need to defend myself cuz im ace"[/QUOTE] Ver, myself, MBH, and other have discouraged the use of clue analysis early on in past games. We are KNOWN to do this. This is why I said you pointing this out doesn't help your case. It's really not a big deal. You're trying to out think people when there isn't even a situation present. And yes you're wrong. You should ask redtooth for the PM if you want clarity. I didn't try to influence redtooth in any way. If I wanted to do that I probably would have kept PMing him. He already showed me he was slightly distrustful of me when he cut the conversation short. For the record I don't even agree with Ver that anyone discouraging clue usage is possibly innocent because that's too wide of a blanket statement. How does redtooth's post push me further to scum? PLEASE explain this. Honestly you're really talking lots of bull right now. I address arguments that warrant attention. I'm not here to constantly repeat myself. All the answers are in the posts. If you need help reading, ask for it. Like really you're so wrong and I hate to say it's because you're a newb but it's getting very close to that point. THINK before you post. Seriously. | ||
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On February 15 2010 15:31 Zato-1 wrote: Game theory. When you have dynamic decision-making, in which the outcome of my decisions depends upon the decisions you take, the correct way to approach the problem is to determine your optimal course of action first, and once I know what you're going to do and therefore the payoff of each of my own choices, only then do I start looking at what is the optimal course of action for myself. Sorry for the completely off-topic post, but I actually love game theory. Prisoner's dilemma and all that shiz- the very same reasoning that brought me to the conclusion, many pages ago, that mafia will mostly be lurking, so we should focus less on the really active players and more on those who are making shitty, short and content-free posts, and also on those who aren't posting at all. As someone who's taking courses in AI and a large part of it was Game Theory, I'd disagree that Mafia would be lurking because somebody has to win this election. BUT - I do agree that we should be looking at the crap-content posters. | ||
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On February 15 2010 15:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How does it push you further to scum? lol Because he provided reasons why he became distrustful of you and since he knows your posting style better than I do, I give a bit of credence to analysis. Why wouldn't additional reasons you may be mafia make me distrust you more? But it's not EVIDENCE, it's conjecture. That's like me saying I don't trust Bill Murray - he's obviously more scummy than before! See how this is nonsense? Didn't I tell you to THINK before posting? | ||
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On February 16 2010 00:59 citi.zen wrote: Ace - I already did - see my post on page 45. I am not going to explain my post person by person. Read my post and make up your own minds. Think critically, at this point nobody can "demonstrate" anything beyond doubt. Which is exactly why I asked the question. If you say the clues link me to both Mafia families it seems like you're trying to force the clues onto me rather than the other way around. How is it even possible that with so many players being Mafia this game that this can even happen? | ||
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On February 16 2010 01:11 meeple wrote: I think he meant it more in the way that there are more than one clue connected to you, so even if we're misinterpreting one of them, it gives a greater chance that one of the two clues refers to you. Correct me if I'm wrong though Ok I get that. But my point I made from way back is that clues are subjective. So we don't know if they are right or not. So with that in mind no one finds it strange that there seem to be so many coincidental clues being attached to me by multiple players on Day 1? | ||
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On February 16 2010 01:18 citi.zen wrote: The clues are confusing and not sure things, absolutely. With that caveat in mind, here are the connections to you Ace: - look at your profile pic. - Your profile quote: "If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you?" Obviously they cant both be right at the same time, but the connection is there in both cases. You sure respond very promptly every time someone points a finger at you. If you were equally proactive in other areas of the game I would think it much more likely you are the new Hobbes. Right now however you remain high on my shortlist. I don't know citizen, I'd figure trying to defend myself would be the wise choice instead of letting people off me with no resistance. | ||
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 Besides, MTF and Camlito haven't played in over a year. I highly doubt there's a town circle already unless people are doing the blind faith thing again. Also I don't agree that DTs should roleclaim early. If I were Mafia I'd kill them asap. Even if my win condition is to murder the other family why would I want them to have help? DTs are a double edged sword in that regard. | ||
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@Dr.H: There wasn't a big backlash of people against my clue connection. Please, this is like the 5th time you've over exaggerated a situation. | ||
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You have a very funny set of standards there sir. L even said he PM'd Empyrean. | ||
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Like it or not or whether you believe it or not most of us are better than you, and do have more experience than you. So keep it moving or take your whining somewhere else. | ||
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On February 16 2010 08:21 L wrote: I'm not worried about him. I'm worried about YOU. and I'm worried about YOU. | ||
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On February 16 2010 08:39 Bill Murray wrote: "Mutual Chainsaw Defense, where two players defend each other by attacking each others' attackers. This is a major scumtell," This doesn't apply to me. Not only am I way too good to even fall for that, but I'm innocent. So yes, you fail. | ||
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On February 16 2010 08:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: All of your arguments basically boil down to "fuk u im ace and im smarter than u so shut up" Hey I didn't climb up on this pedestal, you guys put me up to it. Can you blame me? | ||
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L stop crying, please. Your tears are are wetting up my bullet proof vest. | ||
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On February 16 2010 08:55 L wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to kill someone because of what just happened. How did I know you'd use that as an excuse? Paint yourself red more please. | ||
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It's been established Pardoner is the more critical position this game. Calm yourself. | ||
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On February 16 2010 09:11 L wrote: Yeah, but I wanted to kill you with my mayor lynch and have redtooth forced into the unenviable position of pming me about why he would or wouldn't pardon you. Except if you killed me when I flip green you'd have to explain yourself since you said you'd kill Empyrean. But of course I'm sure you didn't really think I'd vote for you anyway. *shrug* | ||
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On February 16 2010 09:27 L wrote: And that's why I wanted to kill Ace instead. I knew you'd use it as an excuse. Liar. You're clue analysis is WRONG. Just like I said it was. GG. | ||
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On February 16 2010 09:28 Fulgrim wrote: And Empyrean was green, good job 1st day clues. We now need a list of people that should be Role checked, for future lynches/hits, or to have some confirmed greens in the town. Yup. And now look at them go, well it didn't fit him so it must fit this guy! This is exactly why I said subjective analysis isn't what we should be primarily going on. So where are all the people that said killing Empyrean would reveal more information to us? What did that do for us? Step up and be accountable. | ||
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On February 16 2010 09:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: hay thanks for listening, cya tomorrow ! hey if it makes you feel better I didn't tease you this game and actually read your post <3 | ||
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lol. Really you expect me to believe that? You're full of it. Give up L. You're clearly Mafia. Wrong on clue analysis, and "convinced" he's innocent because he said he forgot to vote if you didn't PM him. Right. | ||
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Maybe you should bother questioning the people that pushed him from Pardoner -> Mayor. Pardoner is more powerful than Mayor anyway. | ||
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On February 16 2010 09:53 Fulgrim wrote: So you took it away from him because you realized that having an elected official that careless would be horrible for the town? Or because you wanted him to be rolechecked? No I switched because I don't like Day 1 roleclaimers that can't be verified in general. It doesn't matter what I did in those 5 minutes because I was never going to keep my vote on L. You're making a big deal about the wrong thing. | ||
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I went from Redtooth -> L - > Redtooth in the span of a few minutes and anyone reading this thread knows I wasn't going to vote for L seriously. How can you continue to question me but NOT look at the people that tipped over Redtooth in becoming Mayor? Come on, you can't say with a straight face I'm more suspect than yourself in that regard. | ||
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Maybe if you people just let me be instead of calling me out on ridiculous "arguments" we wouldn't be having this problem? L has been far from reasonable and I've already showed how. But keep skipping my posts and saying I'm not contributing when clearly I have been. | ||
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They see me rollin! | ||
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Go back to when he claimed Medic. I switched my vote off. Then I switch back on, with Emp and BM both voting for him also. With EMP flipping green it's not 100% certain that it was a Mafia split that tipped him over. If that's the case that means looking at the entire vote list, more accurately Bill Murray who was the deciding vote would "solve" your scenario. It would actually look more suspicious if Redtooth and BM had loose ties, aka barely talking to each other in the thread as that's surely a common mafia tell when none of them are in danger. However, I'm more interested in the early voters. With 2 Mafia families neither can wait around for swing votes unless they felt their candidates were strong enough to get those votes early on their own. | ||
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On February 16 2010 12:32 Malongo wrote: I disagree here Ace. From mafia pov its direct that knowing all the bgs-> confirmed townies or at least few chances of mafia from the other family + 3 votes is huge. Think about this: this game is more likely to go until 20 players remain unless one family is absolutely demolishing the other. In this case having a mafia having 3 votes and clearing up the targets with the bgs list is lot better than 2 pardons overall. Having a mafia mayor is a huge advantage against the other mafia, having a pardoner *may* save one of your foes but its not like the other mafia cant target him anyways next night. As you see pardoner <<<< mayor for a mafia player. Being that redtooth doesn't have a large group of support being Mayor isn't that great even with 3 votes. Pardoner on the other hand saves your faam from a lynch and forces the other Mafia to have to hit the guy. Who knows what the Pardoner can convince the town about his fellow scum in that time frame. That's a sweet trade. The only way I'd say Mafia Mayor > Pardoner is IF they have BGs they never have to reveal and that don't get killed. Otherwise there's no power play there imo. Either way I'm glad he got it over L. Yay. So the point is, what is redtooth going to do about his claim¿ The best way to set this up is : Redtooth self claimed medic declares his target for protection before the night. This way the other family /assuming redtooth is mafia/ has the chance to hit that target and unreveal redtooth. It is win for that family because then they force the town to lynch him if he turns nonmedic, and it is win for that family in case the target survives because they can play knowing that redtooth is not in the other mafia. Thoughts¿ This scenario dies under 2 conditions: 1.) You need to know that the target is going to get HIT in the first place, not protected by Medics and isn't a Veteran. If the player gets hit, we need to know which of these conditions was satisfied. Then you have to verify the guy that got hit is pro-town since he'd have no incentive to lie. 2.) Target gets dbl tapped. If this happens and Redtooth is indeed a Medic he'd look guilty. We'd have no idea if the person he protected was hit by multiple people. In fact knowing the idea is to confirm Redtooth via this way why wouldn't they want to stack the hit, or take the chance the other family sends the hit too? It's not an easy thing to confirm him without Vigilantes since our evidence comes from scum who I'm sure don't want to help us in any way. Also the possible loss for the town is a waste of protection if he is legit. If he isn't oh well, let's lynch him! | ||
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Seriously, with so many people accusing me of being scum with no proof that actually makes it more likely I'm town. | ||
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Also don't you think it's odd that multiple people have tried to get me killed already? That surely has to raise some alarms right? | ||
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^_^ | ||
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Bill Murray you're actually one of my top 3 suspects now. No purely because of the spam, but because you've been wrong multiple times. Not even Amber[light] or Vivi57 have missed this many times in a single game. Feels as though you're trying to pull off the clueless role. Redtooth Chezinu isn't a confirmed DT. Don't get why you are protecting him unless you feel he's the only credible pro-town player at the moment? Also I forgot if it was you that made the "DTs can safely claim" post, and since I'm about to leave I can't check. But if anyone checks this information out and see that you made the argument, or supported it you're getting lynched tomorrow. That would show a huge contradiction in what you said and then your decision to protect Chezinu. Of course I hope that's not the case ^_^ I'll be playing for real from now on. Let's hope I don't die tonight ^_^ | ||
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You've missed on, or just flat out got lost in a few discussions. Some of those were pretty simple ideas that you got mixed up on and since I don't think you're an idiot I'm not buying it. Ok I'm out of here now. Foolishness put this one in your NOBODY CARES files ^_^ | ||
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On February 17 2010 10:36 Vivi57 wrote: ace is still mafia love you too Vivi <3 | ||
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lulz @ Fulgrim | ||
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lmao | ||
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On February 28 2010 10:54 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Tredmasta and Faronel, Gambino MVPs I see what you did there | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Usually in a double lynch its: 1.) If tied for first, both die. If 3 way tie, first 2 die to hit the # died. If all 3 hit at the same time somehow it's a no lynch. This was to provide incentive for players to try and hit a no lynch strategically. 2.) In this case they got tied for second at the same time. So it would be impossible to call. First place person still gets the axe though. | ||
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M G R.O.F.L. | ||
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On March 03 2010 09:44 flamewheel91 wrote: Ace really seems to be enjoying himself right about nao. ^_^ I'll explain it after the game. | ||
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 Imo following your logic is kinda hard to follow, but you somehow arrive at the right conclusion a decent amount of times. So in short, I actually read the stuff you post even if it takes me 20 minutes. ^_^ | ||
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