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Jesus Christ Bill please stop, you're cluttering the thread even more than t_co did, and none of your arguments make any sort of sense no matter what way you look at them. I don't care if you're town or if you're mafia, you've managed to strike a truly perfect balance of posting in a way that helps absolutely no one, regardless of affiliation.
Posting from the heart makes even less sense than anything else you've said so far. In case anyone hasn't noticed, this is a game about logic. Emotions or "feelings" play no part in the thought process, otherwise we'd kill off all the people who acted like assholes and ignore all the content of the game.
@ Zato-1, I disagree with the conclusion you've come to that the mafia would be lurking. Creating confusion among the townies and making them lynch each other doesn't really benefit them, when their primary objective is to discover the other mafia. If anything, I would see current mafia behavior as very active, trying to get as much analysis of any kind out there, and to steer people's interpretations of that analysis towards who they believe to be enemy mafia. Lurking in the shadows and letting the townies go nuts on each other would seem to me to be a poor strategy, as the town, to them, has a fairly negligible KP at this stage, meaning the mafia could essentially ignore us in all our roles except that of creating information, which requires activity
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Shit, I guess I made a mistake expecting people in this game to have the capabilities to act like rational human beings
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Also, its well nigh impossible to convincingly fake a DT in a game with two mafia families, you can't pretend to rolecheck anyone because there's a one in four chance the person you send a message to that says "I rolechecked you, you were town!" is going to be enemy mafia and kill your ass. Even if they're not, you might hit a blue, and be exposed as a fraud.
With this, I'm off to play a mardi gras gig tonight, won't be active til tomorrow
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On February 17 2010 08:43 Bill Murray wrote:
without detectives all we have are behavioral analysis and voting patterns, right?
i don't see why a detective would roleclaim, they would get killed so fast, see: the last game i played
Ok, I have a bit of unexpected downtime I can get online for.
My thoughts: Detectives get killed instantly when it's town vs ONE mafia. When there are two mafias, DT's are at least as useful to the mafia as they are to the town, if they can convince a DT to tell them who is in the other mafia family. Therefore, DT's claiming, while it may not be the smartest thing to do, depending on the situation, is by no means suicidal to the DT.
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On February 17 2010 15:08 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Ugh I went back and re-read starting from page 14 until about page 30 (so far) and I've gone through every bs post, stupid argument, unbelievable accusation etc...
People who should be looked at because they were misleading in day 1:
L:
-Strongly advocates clue analysis and explains why its good in this game (pg 16)
-Forcing clues to match Ace as a suspect (pg 17)
-Shows us he sucks at math and doesn't realize that 8 + 8 = 16, not 18 (pg 19)
-BC openly asks why L likes clue analysis, and L claims he has a "sterling" record (pg 21)
-Still pushing for the clues against Ace (pg 23)
-Wants to kill the moonlight rider, not necessarily Ace (pg 24)
-Believes that the moonlight rider might be 789 (pg 24)
-Believes the clues of fire, angels and radiance may point to Empyrean (pg 25)
-Still thinks Ace and Mystlord are the two strongest lynch candidates (pg 25)
-Claims that the clues are so strong and we must utilize them (pg 25)
Chezinu:
-Just plain annoying to read (pg 16 - current)
Bill Murray
-No explanation required(pg 14 - pg 30)
People who should be looked at who are extremely useless from Day 1 (first half or so and in no particular order):
Iaaan:
-useless post implicating BC (pg 15)
-Agrees with meeple about something (pg 15)
-More useless gibberish (pg 16)
-Feels that the mafia families are the best weapons for the town (pg 17)
-Argues with Ace that clues aren't primary, but claims Ace said they shouldn't be looked at in the first place (pg 17)
-Insists that L's clue analysis is definite and points to Ace (pg 18)
-More useless posts (pg 19)
-More useless posts (pg 20)
-Again... (pg 23)
Meeple:
-Everything :facepalm: (pg 14)
-Twice again (pg 16)
-Arguing with Ace asking for suspects and believes clues should be looked at heavily (pg 17)
-Meeple then tries to give us a variable lesson after Abenson (pg 17)
-More useless posts between him and Absenson (pg 18)
-More useless posts about clues (pg 18)
-More useless posts towards Chezinu, as well as informing us that we should hung mafia, no shit (pg 19)
Sidespring:
-Weak clue analysis against Ver (pg 15)
-Agrees not to lynch immediately based upon clues, but gives no effort in aiding discussion of any sort (pg 16)
Abenson:
-Agrees with Ace, only because everyone "should" agree with Ace. (pg 16)
-Let us know Chezinu PM'ed him on the 10th, thanks Abenson (pg 16)
-Throwing out more useless information about a past mafia game, and trying to teach us about variables (pg 17)
-Can't think of anything helpful to say, so he lets us all know (pg 21)
Fulgrim:
-Comes in and talks about how clues are important blah blah (pg 18)
-Votes for Ver because he has the best posts so far, congrats Ver! (pg 18)
-Won't vote for Ace because he's not accusing anybody (pg 18)
People who should be looked at with a careful eye, not too suspicious, just not really helping...
Cyanmachine:
-Claims he read everything, but never saw the list of people who were running for mayor, or their posts? (pg 21)
-Still unsure as to who's running for mayor, proving he didn't read shit (pg 22)
Faronel:
-Provides no contribution and rehashes everything that has been said in the past 8 pages (pg 22)
-Made a newb mistake and edited a post, probably just a newb mistake (pg 22)
Fishball:
-Always up for seeing BC dead, no reason (pg 15)
[NyC]Hobbes:
-Rambling about how clues help the town and that it worked in a previous game (pg 20)
-Rambles about how we should use clue analysis in the late game (pg 21)
-Supports citi.zen for mayor because of his performance last game (pg 23)
-Does not support Ace, ver, or L because of shaky analysis and finger pointing (pg 23)
-Wants to kill someone based upon clues and clues alone, that person being Ace (pg 24)
-Believes that going back after Ace is killed will give us insight about the players who accused him (pg 24)
-Notes that killing someone like Chezinu is useless for the town, if our only reason is because they are annoying (pg 24)
MasterDana:
-Ran for mayor on a shitty platform (pg 14)
-Makes an even shittier post right after (pg 14)
I'm not suggesting anybody here is mafia, but they have ties to every player who was killed and have been contributing constantly to the derailment of this game within a 16 page period (except for the top three).
Congratulations, you've managed to violently misrepresent nearly everything I've said this game so far. In response to each of your bullet points:
1- I stand by the idea that clues can help the town, nothing much to say here except that believing that clues help the town as much as they help the mafia, and backing it up with a previous example doesn't really strike me as a suspicious action.
2- You've entirely missed the point of this post, which is that discussing clues is helpful all game because it gives us more information on people who post analysis and arguments.
3- I withdrew my vote from citizen once he became inactive and his play began to differ from the play last game, and, since Ace turned out green, I'm not wrong that L's finger pointing at him was based on shaky analysis, am I?
4- Urgh. I don't even know where to start with this one. I made a number of points in this post, the main gist of it being that the first lynch is essentially random, and that following clues is better than following nothing, with the added bonus that it leaves a paper trail. I didn't say that the person we should lynch was Ace and only Ace, I said that since the current clue consensus at the time seemed to point to Ace, and he was generating the most discussion, I'd use him as the example to be discussed in my post. I had noticed some people posting arguments that Ace as a veteran player needed to be kept around, and, in order to get my point across without a bunch of people posting "but we NEED Ace!!! OMG what r u thinking!" and entirely missing the point of the post, I posted an analysis of why Ace was not sacrosanct. I then continued to support my previous argument that analyzing clues produces paper trails that can track mafia.
5- Killing someone because they are annoying is completely pointless, regardless of who they are. Since someone had said they didn't want to waste a lynch, I was using an example to support them.
I would love to know why my posting my analysis of the game is constantly contributing to the derailment of the thread. I would also love for you to expand on the "connections" I have to every one of the dead players. If you think my posting or behavior is suspicious, give me a legitimate argument to defend against, don't just post my name in a list of people you want everyone to "watch with a careful eye" while misrepresenting everything I've said in bullet points.
P.S.- I'm extremely curious as to how you define the word "rambling", when you say that my 2 and 4 line posts are rambling while my 5 paragraph one isn't.
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What I'm interested in at this point is what L was seeking to accomplish there... Unless he was 100% convinced redtooth was in another mafia family, that was basically suicidal
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On February 23 2010 11:05 Abenson wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 11:04 johnnyspazz wrote:In a dark secluded area of town, LucasWoJ awoke to the sound of a thick, deep laugh. Still groggy from sleep, LucasWoJ decided to wake up to check what the noise was all about. He tried to sneak out of his house carefully to avoid suspicion, but stumbled on a coffee mug, a toothbrush, and an empty water bottle, resulting in a jumble of sound as he fell face flat on the floor. The laughing figure immediately noticed and galloped over to LucasWoJ’s house, smashed the door, and began to mock him sarcastically. By this time, LucasWoJ was enraged at the intruder’s actions, and grabbed the nearest object he could find. At first, he scared his attacker with a kitchen knife and almost sliced his jaw in half, but succumbed to ferocity of the attacker’s vile and barbaric actions. The figure snarled and taunted LucasWoJ before biting his neck and ripping out a piece of his trachea. Before long, LucasWoJ was cold and dead on the floor, his attacker nowhere to be seen. Hobbes? LOL We had a hobbes dilemma last game where almost all the clues point at him...
Sigh... Here we go again with the "vile and barbaric actions", just when I thought I'd finally had a break for a second... Curse you, Incognito. And curse you too, Flamewheel. After me spending all of last game trying to show I wasn't mafia with basically exactly this same clue... You bastards. 
My current take on the situation is that we obviously have to go for L and someone, and the double lynch. Otherwise the town is pretty much screwed, since the Gambinos couldn't find a Sumiyoshi if their lives depended on it. (Oh, wait, they do!) I'll personally try to be more active at this point, insane week IRL is making it difficult though.
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On February 24 2010 08:06 johnnyspazz wrote:WOW HOBBES IS EFFING MAFIA Show nested quote +The laughing figure immediately noticed and galloped over to LucasWoJ’s house, smashed the door, and began to mock him sarcastically. !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
lol what?
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On February 25 2010 17:45 johnnyspazz wrote:
HEY NIKON I HEARD FROM MY SUPERIORS YOUR DEAD NEXT
also plz keep me alive sumiyoshi
after this night, it will prove i am gambino finally
Please, please stop roleclaiming. We all heard it the first 6,000,000 times
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