EPTlast game, chez did the voteswitching crap and ended up being mafia. Has he done this while town before?
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Vivi57
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last game, chez did the voteswitching crap and ended up being mafia. Has he done this while town before? | ||
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Chezinu
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On January 09 2010 06:56 Vivi57 wrote: question for vets: last game, chez did the voteswitching crap and ended up being mafia. Has he done this while town before? no, I don't think so. But that means nothing because im blue! | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 09 2010 05:45 L wrote: Zato, I thought you were Vig from those PMs, hence my reply to RoL's insinuation that he was going to vigi someone. Guess i'm bad at reading. lolol if you read that post I actually say I want to lynch someone, hit someone, and Vigi someone. I was joking around with Chezinu since when you PM with him he is likely to claim every single role while also telling you not to kill him among other shit. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On January 08 2010 13:25 Chezinu wrote: Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches made for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan. I AM A DECTECTIVE. Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start the second day. Other detectives (if you exist), stay in hiding. Why? BLIND FAITH. It is needed. For once trust somebody who you think is crazy for once. What if I really am the detective? What if I found out mikeymoo is mafia? Let me think.... Why else would one abandon the brown? I have seen the light! Never before have this happen! Crazy things happen in incog's world! Last time I visited this world my father Ace betrayed me! This is not a world for brown but of blue! Listen to my words! I truly am the Detective! Mikeyoo is mafia!!! I could not think of any reasonable way to tell you guess im blue. Just look at the statistics. I have never been blue before not once. You think I would ever abandon the brown for any other reason? So I call upon the GREAT LACES to help me lead this town to lynch mikeymoo! This move is so unbelievably dumb on every aspect of the game that I feel forced to disregard it all-together. If you really are the DT why would you do this? SACRIFICING YOURSELF FOR ONE MAFIA IS NOT A JUST CAUSE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT DOESN'T ALTER THE KP. No rather I think you think you're so sure mikeymoo is mafia that you're willing to lie to convince the town. Why you're so sure of mikeymoo being mafia? I don't know the exact reason but I know you're not a dt, BECAUSE A DT WOULD NEVER GIVE THEMSELVES UP UNLESS THEY'RE SURE THEY HAVE PROTECTION. | ||
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L
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Gimme a bit. | ||
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nemY
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On January 08 2010 17:21 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: You guys are too narrow-minded and retarded if you can't see from all of my posts how checking me would confirm me. My aim is to bring the town together into a situation where we can win this game. I don't know how many more fucking times I have to say it. And I don't believe Chez is a DT because this whole thing is too convenient. Do you really believe that he just happened to check a player and find mafia? Do you really think that Chezinu was able to use the PMs he sent out to people to figure out who is who? You know what he PMed me? "Bye." What kind of read is he going to get off of any response from that. FUCKING. NONE. Right now, mafia are scared shitless. I managed to convince the town that I'm legit and that I have a plan to break them. And they know by my constant insistence on this plan, I ain't bullshitting them, I'm shooting straight. So they're scrambling. They have at least one intelligent player on their squad who realizes sacrificing one mafia for the greater good won't alter their KP. So they take MikeyMoo, a player who people had been slightly suspicious of, and they sacrifice him. He's obviously not the GF. They now have Chezinu, who might be the GF covering himself as a DT, and who has been acting arbitrarily all game long, claim that he is a DT and out of nowhere has a guilty. It fits Chez's profile no matter what he draws - he plays like a jackass. He will get the town to lynch Mikeymoo. Mikey will flip mafia. People will buy into "Woo! Chez is DT." Knowing this site's whole "FOLLOW THE PR LOLZ" mentality in the games, they will either a) manipulate his results to push mislynches and kill their cleared or b) get a town circle "established" and have a full list. BTW, I said my plan would come as soon as I got my confirmed DT check. Without it, my plan is null. I believe your plan is going to remain null, because nobody is concerned for you and your plan. Role-claiming Day 1 is retarded and should never ever happen (I speak from experience). Convince the town that you're legit? Who have you convinced? Certainly not me, because YOU'VE DONE NOTHING to convince me you're legit. Judging by the fact that you were 2nd in votes to be lynched, then i'd say you haven't convinced the town of too much yet either. You keep speaking of a plan (that I think will be flawed and/or manipulated) that will never happen because the real DT is not going to check you! You can't just role claim and expect people to follow you on "blind faith" alone. I'm sticking to my guns on this one and I'm voting to lynch you because unlike the other people who have falsely role-claimed so far, I believe you are smarter then they are and your plan is mafia-oriented. | ||
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L
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Chezinu
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+ Show Spoiler + I think I should start doing this, above was a joke | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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The reason I could see Chezinu role claiming is this. We all know his play style, half the people won't even read his PM's/posts because of the way he posts shit is annoying sometimes. He says hes a billion roles and accuses everyone he talks to in order to try to get a read. On this same note a DT is supposed to try and tell the town about a check in a very subtle way like pointing at a bunch of other reasons why Mikey could be mafia (which Chezinu did a few pages back but got ignored) then he had no choice and role called. He could of waited a night and tried finding a mouth to speak through but maybe he was afraid of dying for some other reasons or just didn't think to look for a mouth. Either way here we are. Now why I think we should lynch MikeyMoo and not Chezinu is this. We saw Judge's crazy defense of mikey that involved an unrealistic scenario happening. It felt like a mafia trying to save a friend from dying. If we kill Mikeymoo and hes not red we vigi Chezinu since Zato pretty much assured that he has to use his powers tonight. However if Mikey is red (which seems most likely scenario) we should lynch Judge. This is mainly for Zato-1 I know you trust him because you role claimed and didn't die to him, but I think that he might of just chose to hold off on killing you in order to gain town trust and have someone whose not mafia on his side. What you did is an example of that. Simply by not killing you YET he has gotten a powerful blue role to vouch for him which makes him look better. So today we should lynch Mikeymoo and then Vigi either Judge or Chezinu based on our findings. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On January 09 2010 07:26 L wrote: nemY, sup, you're posting a lot of emotional, rather content poor posts today. what's up with that? lol why do you think everything everyone posts is filled with emotions? You sound like Dr. Phil. Nemy it doesn't make sense to vote for Judge tonight, this lynch is either going to be Mikeymoo or Chezinu. Killing Judge is something you needed to vote for yesterday instead of people voting Malongo like a bunch of retards. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On January 08 2010 21:15 Zato-1 wrote: Okay, so. By now, many people seem to be impatient. I know stuff that makes me be less impatient- for instance, I now know Judge not to be mafia with a pretty high degree of certainty, due to a few PMs. I will proceed to publicly post those PMs which explain why he has gained my trust. But before that, I'd like to announce I'm a Vigilante. Call my roleclaiming retarded all you want- I think it's more important for the Town to throw some information out into the open and organize ourselves, than it is to keep my blue role hidden for fear of getting hit at night. I mean, I'm basically a green townie with a bonus kill, which I'll probably use tonight anyway, so I wouldn't be such a huge loss even if mafia hit me tonight due to my roleclaim. My original PM to Judge: "To: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Mini Mafia 2 Date: 1/6/10 06:03 I've played with you before, read your posts, and thoroughly considered your role claim. You may be mafia, in which case I'm condemning myself with this PM, but I think you're not. So, I just wanted to let you know. I'm the vigi." It's a risky move, because in case Judge was mafia, I'd probably die on night 1. This is the reply I got: "From: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Mini Mafia 2 Date: 1/6/10 08:06 Thanks for trusting me. I am not in fact mafia. I will have a purpose for you in the coming days. Right now, play enough to avoid being lynched, but not enough to become a NK target. I need you alive N2 for my plan to work out." The fact that he wanted me to save my kill for night 2 made me a bit suspicious- maybe he just wanted me to save it while he killed me at night 1. At any rate, if mafia hit me on Night 1, it'd be very likely Judge would be responsible for it, so I sent another PM to L, incriminating Judge in case I died, just before Night 1 ended: PM TO L BEGINS HERE, SO MANY QUOTATION SIGNS MAY MAKE IT CONFUSING: "To: L [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Before night ends Date: 1/8/10 11:18 Hey L. I wanted to inform you of these PMs I had with Judge, in case I don't survive the night: "Thanks for trusting me. I am not in fact mafia. I will have a purpose for you in the coming days. Right now, play enough to avoid being lynched, but not enough to become a NK target. I need you alive N2 for my plan to work out. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I've played with you before, read your posts, and thoroughly considered your role claim. You may be mafia, in which case I'm condemning myself with this PM, but I think you're not. So, I just wanted to let you know. I'm the vigi." Starts with a reply from Judge, and my own message which initiated the conversation is below. As you can see, I roleclaim Vigilante to him (which I'm not, by the way), and he says he'll need me to hit something on Night 2. In case Judge is mafia, he'll likely take my bait and kill me on Night 1. So yeah. If I die, it's probably because of that PM, and because Judge is mafia." PM TO L ENDS HERE. If Judge was mafia, and L wasn't, I would die on night 1 and L would know Judge to be mafia. If Judge was Town and L was mafia, I wasn't putting myself on any more immediate danger- I lied to L, telling him I'm not a Vigilante, in order to look like a less desirable target for night 1. At this point, I'm fairly convinced Judge is Town-aligned. The fact that I lived through night 1 does little to confirm L, however, so he isn't confirmed yet as far as I'm concerned. I won't expect everyone to believe me or to begin trusting Judge now. But know that I do trust him now, and from this post onwards, you know my reasons for placing that trust; I thought he wasn't mafia on day 1, and after night 1 came and went, this hunch has gained some substance. Yes, he isn't 100% confirmed to be Town-aligned just yet. However, he certainly looks more Town-aligned to me than anyone else, at the moment. Or maybe Judge is smart enough to see the scenario you pointed out thus leaving you alive for another day? Or maybe he doesn't believe you to be vigi(I certainly don't)? Or maybe you two are both mafia and fabricated this whole thing to try and gain the towns trust? I don't know, but the situation isn't so black/white as you presented it. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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 Oh and I meant to also say that IF Chezinu isn't the real DT, the other one should check him asap. This is once again assuming that we actually have DT's which was said earlier is most likely scenario. | ||
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nemY
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On January 09 2010 07:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: NemY I said it about 5 minutes before you Oh and I meant to also say that IF Chezinu isn't the real DT, the other one should check him asap. This is once again assuming that we actually have DT's which was said earlier is most likely scenario. I was replying to posts in the order that I've seen them, I can't really help if i'm echoing your sentiments. I'm going to take a break from this a bit, this game's been... interesting to say the least lol. | ||
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L
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On January 09 2010 07:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol why do you think everything everyone posts is filled with emotions? You sound like Dr. Phil. Nemy it doesn't make sense to vote for Judge tonight, this lynch is either going to be Mikeymoo or Chezinu. Killing Judge is something you needed to vote for yesterday instead of people voting Malongo like a bunch of retards. Dunno, my doctor phil side probably saw you write two short posts that were 50% in caps and figured that you had something to say, then I read it and noticed that you were trying to trick my doctor phil side, so I had to call you out, like he often does with skanky teens or deadbeat fathers. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
He is right that Judge hasn't convinced anyone yet. I thought there was supposed to be a flurry of activity and fun guessing games. But the only person who's posted a list is dead. | ||
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L
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2) What are we going to do today? In order to summarize our situation, I will recap the history of this game in another post. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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I swear to god, I really think I have seen you contribute NOTHING for the entire thread. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 09 2010 09:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: L What the hell are you talking about rofl? Where did I post anything in 50% caps? Who am I trying to trick with what? and what did I just get called out on? I swear to god, I really think I have seen you contribute NOTHING for the entire thread. I said I meant nemy in that post. 10/10 for reading comprehension. As for contribution; I've introduced every relevant topic we've talked about thus far. What have you done, by contrast? Lash out in a 6 post spree? Not even going to bother wasting time on your stupidity. ______________ Okay, recap time: Recap time: Day 1: Judge claimed. I told him he was retarded for doing so. RoL/Ace led a charge to get Judge killed. I did not agree with killing him, and we ended up killing malongo because we couldn't switch votes to someone else. During day 1, Judge told me what was supposed to happen today and tomorrow, and I'll be honest; the plan doesn't have holes in it beyond the standard "someone didn't listen" which is what happened. We can run it tomorrow, but if chez really is the DT, I don't think he'll listen to it. Worst case scenario, we trade the DT for the godfather, best case scenario, we probably win the game. Granted judge's prior comments about how powerful a dt/medic combo would be in this format without a roleblocker, I can actually see him attempting to make this trade. That said, there's a slight modification of his plan which removes the possibility of a trade, which I would have presented during the day when it was revealed. RoL and Ace vote Judge, others vote malongo to stop judge from getting killed. An option to switch the kill target is given and passed on. Malongo dies, is green as most assumed. Most importantly, Heavonerth is killed. SOMEONE PLEASE GET A LIST OF ALL HIS POSTS Why is this important? Because it wasn't me, ace, rol, judge, zato or any of the 'content' posters Day 2: Chez claims he's the DT and has checked mikeymoo. People go batshit. Zato claims to be vig. People go double batshit. So we can examine this from two points of view: If you were mafia, how would you react to a bunch of town members claiming? Well, maybe you'd claim too! Throw a wrench into their gears. Alternatively, you could attack the credibility of their claims. This has happened for pretty much every claim thusfar. If you were town and people claimed, what would your reaction be? Well, you can be somewhat angry that a dt and medic 'revealed' themselves, because they would be likely to die, but at the same time given the volume of claims, its likely that some of these claimants are lying, and that one of them is probably going to get protected. But would you assume immediately that they had to be mafia? While one of the claimants might be mafia, it is highly unlikely that all 3 are. Zato is nearly 100% town; if he hits someone tonight, barring a medic protection, we can be certain its him. If someone objects, we kill them both and we net a mafia. Chez is a retard, but we can make sure he's telling the truth by having him check someone else; We can discuss who during the night because I'd rather not have people fishing in PMs to find out the roles beforehand. Judge is probably town too, but even if he's godfather, I can force him to die for no benefit if we go along with his plan. So overall, it seems like mikey is the best shot right now; If chez is lying, we vig him tonight. | ||
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Scamp
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 06 2010 05:19 HeavOnEarth wrote: Hello. Reading posts + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2010 05:46 HeavOnEarth wrote: so a medic claim short of a DT role-check i don't see how you can be confirmed, and that could barely qualify as concrete evidence regardless , seeing how you openly claimed. so obviously im missing out on your plan , as the rest of the town. why would you keep this information/plan hidden ? also, this, ? i suggest if there is another medic , they counterclaim. the odds of there being 2 medics in a ~11-12 player game is substantial. the fact that you posted this statement is rather godfatherly. + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2010 05:58 HeavOnEarth wrote: isn't that kind of risky? provided judge doesn't openly claim who he was protecting , if he listed ace and L and himself for protection, and ace was mafia, for example- ace: Oh hey guys i was protected last night lololol judge: uh no, i protected myself ace: oh ace: .. FUUUU + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2010 06:12 HeavOnEarth wrote: Yeeh. Vet or liar. the point was i didn't see how mafia could really "fake" a confirmation without running risks of being caught. particularly high ones + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2010 06:21 HeavOnEarth wrote: Yeah, but is the costs of holding a hit really worth it ? Considering its a smallish 11-12 player game, wouldn't the mafia be better off killing someone ASAP ? + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2010 06:24 HeavOnEarth wrote: The way i see it is, either a) you get someone killed now, hopefully a blue, or a good townie, - destroys their possible blue abilities - limits town leadership OR b) you play it smooth and try to get that extra kill anyways, AND make town waste a lynch but also it could backfire and you get nothing. choice A looks a lot better to me if i was mafia + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2010 14:57 HeavOnEarth wrote: i believe he's referring to your first post where u shit on 1/2 the town ^_^ + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2010 09:13 HeavOnEarth wrote: Were you gonna make a medic list or something judge? + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2010 09:36 HeavOnEarth wrote: ^ well zato and some others have made posts, but i was just asking mostly because i wanted his opinion + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2010 10:18 HeavOnEarth wrote: Now, assuming Judge is blue, i made this little list. Obviously this is just to offer up my thoughts/and summarize the thread, moreso, then actual concrete accusations, because , at least to me, there aren't any. 1. RebirthOfLeGend - obv. against judge , posts a lot of irrelevant info. about previous games. red 2. Ace - likewise, find it funny they agree with each other for once(not like, omg fish funny, just funny in general  ) red3. L green 4. vx70GTOJudgexv blue 5. Scamp - usually quiet when mafia, probably quiet if given a blue role as well. green 6. Zato-1 green 7. Chezinu - i dont see why he wouldn't keep up with his masquerade-ish style of posting if given a blue/red role therefore green 8. nemY - makes a case against judge red + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2010 04:21 nemY wrote: My Problem with Judge was posted in the previous Mini-Mafia game here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99804¤tpage=20 Now Judge specifically dismisses the idea of a anyone publicly roleclaiming and now he wants us to believe that it's ok with him? Are you suppose to be an exception to your own rule? You say you have a fail-safe plan? This game isn't designed to have fail-safe 100% guaranteed plans. Besides that, the track record with anybody publicly role-claiming before night one is zilch I believe (myself included). All they do is start needless chaos and mayhem (which is always in the best interests of the mafia). The best method for reducing this needless drama is getting rid of them early. This is why I'm voting to lynch Judge. 9. HeavOnEarth - seems to be the general consensus- green 10. Vivi57 - points out inactivity and gives some information in past games referring to scamp, also used the term +EV so <3 green 12. Mikeymoo - seems to be genuinely busy green 13. Malongo - reason im making this post, seems green to me  green+ Show Spoiler + On January 07 2010 10:31 HeavOnEarth wrote: If anyone else wants it : judge's posting history. gonna read/review offer thoughts in a bit + Show Spoiler [Judge] + + Show Spoiler [1] + On January 05 2010 17:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches make for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan. I AM A MEDIC. Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start this game off. Other medics (if you exist), stay in hiding. Why? 1) I can be more effective this way. First, I can be confirmed rather easily with this done. That will come on Day 2, but I can be. Second, it allows me to work in the open and play with mafia's head. I can make my own list towards the end of each day and force mafia to play a guessing game as to who on the list I will protect, if I will actually protect anyone from that list, or if it is worth it to try and kill me and will I protect myself. 2) As stated above, it will throw a major wrench into the mafias night-actions. They will not know if they are safe to try and kill me, or one of my targets. They don't know if there are other medics either who can protect me and/or my targets. 3) Mafia is now going to push to get me killed, either very boldly or subtly, via a lynch. This will give us a pool to work with of potential suspects. + Show Spoiler [2] + On January 06 2010 04:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Difference here is the fact that I know what I'm doing here. [1] - We'll discuss protection options as the day draws near an end. I'm leaning towards L or Ace tonight, depending on how each plays. [2] - I think we're at 12 (9 & 3) and this should be full reveal, not limited flip. It does a number of things - it can provide a confirmed townie which is the worst possible thing for mafia to have to go up against, because it's someone that no matter what, they cannot push a lynch on, and worst of all - I'm not one of the top players in the game, so I'm not someone they want to waste a NK on either. Even if I'm barking up the completely wrong tree they have to try and kill me because they can't get me lynched once I'm confirmed. It forces mafia to play a guessing game. Sure, they had to play one before, but it was minimized. Now, they have to try and outguess the entire town. I can ask the town directly - who do we want to keep protected tonight and form a list. Mafia players will either have to sacrifice a potential target and put him up on the list or out themselves with a ridiculous choice and/or not post at all. Then at night they have to out-guess me in a wonderful game of who the fuck will I protect. Will I protect one of the targets offered up? Will I protect myself? Which of the targets will I protect. Doctor can be a much more powerful role out in the open. I wouldn't direct a vig to hit anyone and protect that, because our vigs are one-shot. There are later plans for any vigs. Regarding the DT, I have a plan for any potential DTs we have, but that steps in on D2. I'm a medic though. And I'm trying to do something different because I've seen it work, I've seen this tactic in play. Besides, as odd of a defense as it is, this is nowhere near my scum meta, even if I was GF. I much prefer to push attention away from myself, because I'm prone to fuckups if I try and be too active. The ability to be a confirmed townie and force mafia to adapt uncomfortably. The ability to force mafia into a guessing game. The ability to bring the town together and become a town leader here. It does seem odd that no one is talking about it. I can protect myself. That was the kicker. It might not make sense for there to be two medics, but there very well could be. We don't know, and I don't try and out-guess the mod, no matter what the most likely scenario of "who should be scum" or "Why would he do this". @Scamp - I think I covered your points in my responses to L, so I'm not going to re-hash them if that's cool with you. Also, for a kill, I say if he doesn't really put effort into it, Chezinu should be the day 1 lynch. No matter what he flips, it's a win for town. + Show Spoiler [3] + On January 06 2010 08:28 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Or I'm a medic. And because everyone wants to know: Yes, the plan does involve a DT R/C on me. Look. This play out-and-out doesn't make sense for mafia to do, even as GF, because of the doubt you all have. I'm pretty much painting a big target on myself here. If I'm the GF, or even just lowly mafia, I am one of 3 members and I would be putting a third of the team on the line for what mafia would gain very little from. If I'm GF, I'm putting myself more on the line, but I'm neither. I'm a medic. Actually, I read it first used in a 12 man closed setup. No clue as to whether a GF was there or not. Could have been two medics, could have been 5. Nothing was known. This is semi-open which makes it just as effective. Why didn't I use a mouth or pretend to be a mouth? If I used a mouth, I could easily out myself to mafia and my mouth could be mafia providing a plethora of problems. If I pretended to be a mouth, there could be the problem of "He might be mafia." and then I would be outed as medic sooner or later, leading to questions why I chose to fake using a mouth. Actually, it isn't because night roles can't act yet, it's because I'm keeping mafia on their toes. I wasn't going to claim any confirmation through a protection. I was going to wait until just before day ended and bark some orders, matter of fact. Also, in a setup like this, as a scum-gambit to false claim doc and fake confirmation there is no major gain. BTW, you're catching on with the last part - none of my actions fit the profile of a medic, which can cause people to question the veracity. I am the medic, but how much are the mafia going to believe that? The plan works in a few parts. The first part is the claim. The second part is making it through the day and establishing a plan for the night in terms of protections. Third part involves a DT rolechecking me. Day 2 I will explain at the beginning of Day 2. If I lay out the entire plan right now, the plan is lost. + Show Spoiler [4] + On January 06 2010 09:16 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Touche. Clarification: I could easily pick a mafioso as my mouth, and all information would flow through him, and thus to others. Generally, a mouth this early on is stupid. Is it the greatest position to leave me out in the open today? No. But I don't have to worry about going to a potential mouth, PMing him and having him not come forward with the information. + Show Spoiler [5] + On January 07 2010 03:54 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Unfortunately the town does not see the benefits of my maneuver, but you will in time. Get me through to tomorrow and this game will be very much in our control. Stop asking questions about the plan, because the more I lay out now, the less effective it is. Right now it is 9 hours to deadline, and a slew of people have decided to go under. Let's figure out which one of them is going to be a lynch candidate tonight, and at 10:50 PM EST I will lay out the night phase of my plan for you all to see. I've got a pretty good feeling that this is going to catch one mafia tonight, if you just let me work my magic. + Show Spoiler [6] + On January 07 2010 04:25 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: nemY - I honestly forgot about that. I also hadn't seen this plan in use when I had made that post, fwiw. That post was some 5 months ago. I've played about 9 games since then and read plenty more. And this is a different plan from that, trust me :D Scamp, I'm trying to remember the game # of where I last saw it used, when I do I'll link it. + Show Spoiler [7] + On January 07 2010 04:30 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Wow. You guys are fucking retarded. Do I have to spell out EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ACTION for you? Because I might as well before the lynch, if you plan on killing me tonight - let me know so I can explain how this would've worked. + Show Spoiler [8] + On January 07 2010 04:30 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: BTW - Ace is mafia, calling it now. + Show Spoiler [9] + On January 07 2010 08:32 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: General responses: I've said part of it before. The first objective of the claim was to allow me to work out in the open, scare scum and also because I do have a plan. The second objective is to put myself in a position to lead the town in the right direction, because otherwise we'd be voting to no-lynch today, which on Day 1 is an awful play. You think it's scummy that I don't give out every detail of my plan? That's great. Unfortunately, as I've re-iterated before and I'll do again, giving out every detail of my plan makes it useless. Let me help you all out and put this claim in perspective from both points of view: From a Town-aligned point of view: I am a medic. I can sit back, hope not to draw too much attention to me during the day or the night and try and protect the right hits. OR I can come out in the open and claim. Thus, the mafia is now wondering a myriad of things. Am I the real medic? Am I bluffing? Can they hit me successfully? Will I protect the people I list? Will they hit the one I protect? If he's not the medic, we'll be able to get him lynched, but if he is, we might not. Do we try and kill him at night? Now I have one-up on the mafia. I don't need to outguess them. I'll protect who I choose to and wait. If you think a medic's only use is to absorb kills, you're dead wrong. From a scum-aligned point of view: I am mafia. I can sit back, let town go at themselves, maybe push for a no-lynch on D1 and help us just effortlessly pick people off. Or I can claim to be a medic. I can pass on a night-kill to try and confirm myself, but people might see through that. Or I can try and waste a DT check, but they might not buy into that either. When I don't die and other people start dying, I will be questioned. This isn't even WIFOM here, there is just no gain from a scum perspective. + Show Spoiler [10] + On January 07 2010 09:11 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: It was just a possible way for mafia to try and confirm themselves being the medic. Obviously the vet throws it off as does the no confirmation via PM of a save. + Show Spoiler [11] + On January 07 2010 09:18 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: There's still some 4 hours left to the day, I will though. Any input from players on who I should protect from the town? + Show Spoiler [12] + On January 07 2010 09:31 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: So far Ace, L, RoL, mikey, Scamp and Zato have put forth discussion and not been putting up fluff. Chez hasn't put up much and I don't like that most recent post, Malongo put in a major bullshit go with the flow post and nemY has had minimal posting. Vivi hasn't really said much and is voting Mikey for some reason which he neglected to elaborate on. HoE has very few posts. Ace reads as mafia to me, and his opposition on malongo sounds like he's trying to sway town away from lynching who he thinks is a townie. Two motivations: 1 - he knows malongo is a townie and is trying to earn town credit by pulling off of that lynch and voicing opposition. 2 - Malongo is his mafia buddy and he doesn't want him dead. L, Zato, Mikey and Scamp read town aligned to me, promoting decent discussion and trying to understand something. Not overly trusting or buddying, but not too paranoid. RoL is odd. He seemed to react very emotionally to the claim, which to me is generally a town-tell. But he hasn't really tried to wrap his head around anything, which to me is generally a scum-tell. Null-read atm. The rest are null-reads as well. Except Malongo. He reads mafia. + Show Spoiler [13] + On January 07 2010 09:39 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I originally voted you to force a no-lynch and save my sorry ass from being idiot-lynched. Now I'm voting you because your one "real" post in the thread reeked of active lurking, a wonderful scum tactic, of coming in and providing nothing but fluff and lack of contribution to the game. You barely put anything new on the table, then disappeared for a lovely 24 hours. You come back and again provide nothing new to the discussion, and get all OMGUS on me for calling you out. + Show Spoiler [14] + On January 07 2010 09:40 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: HoE, does that answer your post? + Show Spoiler [15] + On January 07 2010 09:46 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: The first part still reeks of anti-town nature at minimum, mafia nature more likely. The second part - huh? + Show Spoiler [16] + On January 07 2010 09:47 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: BTW, Ace, might want to work on getting that tunnel vision checked out. + Show Spoiler [17] + On January 07 2010 09:52 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Generally, a player voicing opposition to a bandwagon with little case is a mafia member trying to either prevent his partner from being lynched or trying to get townie credit by opposing a wagon on a townie. This is my experience. Also, I see no reason to switch to RoL at the moment. He's a null read to me. + Show Spoiler [18] + On January 07 2010 10:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense. + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2010 11:15 HeavOnEarth wrote: it wasn't meant for accusations RoL- you missed the point entirely =/ + Show Spoiler + | ||
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