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On January 07 2010 07:29 Chezinu wrote:
Since people want my opinion:
so far from what I read, the posts of RoL and vivi seem to interest me. Ace's post about townies don't lie made me laugh but L beat me to it. There is nothing I can post that is of value because of my name. My name makes all my posts a waste. No one can really take me seriously. Maybe if I change my tone people will listen? But then again I could be doing that on purpose for it fits my character. But what happens if someone's character changes?
Here I am trying not to post something of waste in the eyes of others. I have a question. What is a post in this game that isn't a waste? Everyone here has been through this game. There is no need to aid people in opening there minds to all possibilities. There is no need to state the noob mistakes some people make or if they are trying to make you think it is a noob mistake but really they did it on purpose ect....
So what are my thoughts...well, I was thinking that everyone has been accused this game except mikeymoo but vivi ended that... So really I have no thoughts that I can add. All I can do is write something that hopefully you guys dont think is a waste and wait for you guys to analysis me in this game of darkness. Really, this game takes blind faith sometimes especially on day 1. This is usually when I start messing with people for fun. But I decided to change my play...or did I really? Thats the thing, nothing I can say can mean anything thing especially because of my name.
Because of my name explaining to people that I have a detective role becomes hard. Imagine if you were me and have a detective role and found out that mikeymoo is mafia. What would you do? I can't be calm about it and no one will believe me if I told them via pm. So this time I am going for the overly dramatic like never before. I want everyone to lynch me or lynch mikeymoo. If I die then I'm detective then you guys will know I'm telling the truth. If mikeymoo dies, he will appear mafia and then I'm either a detective or a crazy mafia.
So please vote Mikeymoo
and if you can't vote me.
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What can I say, mikeymoo looks like a better lynch option than Malongo did on day 1. Sounds reasonable so far, but I'll wait until tomorrow to cast my vote.
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Well I do still have a suspicion of Mikey but there's a lot that needs to be discussed before I vote for him.
Judge has a plan.
L mentioned something about confirming Judge.
Ace is going to go apeshit.
And Zato's post above mine is quite curious.
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zato: oshit, i only get to lead one witch hunt as mafia, guess I'd better let a townie lead the next one
I'm really intrigued by chez's accusation. He needs to talk more.
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Chezinu, you are a fucking idiot.
WILL THE DT WHO CHECKED ME PLEASE CONFIRM WITH ME VIA PM. CONFIRM WITH YOUR INVESTIGATION RESULT. IF I HAVE NO CONFIRMATION WITHIN 12 HOURS, I WILL ASSUME NO DT CHECKED ME, FUCKING UP THE PLAN.
If anyone believes that Chez is a DT, you are a fucking idiot. This is a clean and simple bus by mafia as a ploy to throw my plan off. Mikeymoo is probably going to be mafia. Chez is going to sacc a mafioso to attempt to gain trust. Mafia KP does not go down. Chez will start naming off innocents and just cruize mafia to victory with this.
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T_T We already went over like 60 times how checking you would be pointless. You are either GF or a blue. Either way you will appear as blue.
I just don't get this shit judge, what are you aiming for? Everything you just said seems like its mafia trying to save their own. I have yet to see your plan either.
Why do you think Chezinu isn't a DT?
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I am also inclined to go with Chez's check. I feel like we are far enough behind at this point where thats more solid then continuing to go off what Judge is saying T_T
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You guys are too narrow-minded and retarded if you can't see from all of my posts how checking me would confirm me.
My aim is to bring the town together into a situation where we can win this game. I don't know how many more fucking times I have to say it.
And I don't believe Chez is a DT because this whole thing is too convenient. Do you really believe that he just happened to check a player and find mafia? Do you really think that Chezinu was able to use the PMs he sent out to people to figure out who is who?
You know what he PMed me?
"Bye."
What kind of read is he going to get off of any response from that.
FUCKING. NONE.
Right now, mafia are scared shitless. I managed to convince the town that I'm legit and that I have a plan to break them. And they know by my constant insistence on this plan, I ain't bullshitting them, I'm shooting straight. So they're scrambling.
They have at least one intelligent player on their squad who realizes sacrificing one mafia for the greater good won't alter their KP. So they take MikeyMoo, a player who people had been slightly suspicious of, and they sacrifice him. He's obviously not the GF. They now have Chezinu, who might be the GF covering himself as a DT, and who has been acting arbitrarily all game long, claim that he is a DT and out of nowhere has a guilty. It fits Chez's profile no matter what he draws - he plays like a jackass. He will get the town to lynch Mikeymoo. Mikey will flip mafia. People will buy into "Woo! Chez is DT." Knowing this site's whole "FOLLOW THE PR LOLZ" mentality in the games, they will either a) manipulate his results to push mislynches and kill their cleared or b) get a town circle "established" and have a full list.
BTW, I said my plan would come as soon as I got my confirmed DT check. Without it, my plan is null.
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So judge has no plan and is firing off at chez who just claimed dt and claims to have found a 100% mafia through a rc. He also complains that if chez is right, we'd blindly follow him meanwhile tell us to follow *his* plan that he still can't announce.
Looks like its between judge and mikeymoo tonight.
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Alright lets debunk each part of this.
On January 08 2010 17:21 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
You guys are too narrow-minded and retarded if you can't see from all of my posts how checking me would confirm me.
This has been said like 50 times by you and L. Yet there has been NO DISTINCTION to how the fuck that would work. You are wasting a check since you are probably a GF. We know you are most likely one of three roles. GF, Vet, or Medic like you claimed. In any of those situations you would be seen as blue.
I don't see where checking you benefits us here. Can anyone else?
My aim is to bring the town together into a situation where we can win this game. I don't know how many more fucking times I have to say it.
You have given no ideas or support, only a link to a mafia game from mafiascum that most people probably won't bother reading. Plus the game rules are different the main thing is THERE IS NO GF IN THAT GAME.
And I don't believe Chez is a DT because this whole thing is too convenient. Do you really believe that he just happened to check a player and find mafia? Do you really think that Chezinu was able to use the PMs he sent out to people to figure out who is who?
You know what he PMed me?
"Bye."
What kind of read is he going to get off of any response from that.
FUCKING. NONE.
Believe it or not, Chez is actually a very competent player in his own retarded way. While he is annoying as fuck and doesn't make sense and spams the shit out of the thread for a LOT of the time, behind the scenes he actually gathers good info and stays under the radar regardless of his role. That same thing makes him a very annoying and very deadly player if he is blue/red. When he is green its just annoying.
Looking at just statistics there is a 1/4 chance that the DT will check a mafia with his first check.
The odds of getting someone are 1/4 thinking you are blind guessing. There are some players who come out obviously town aligned as well as other situations that dumb that number down. MM was already under suspicion for some other reasons from some other people. I guess Chez opted to check him out.
I would also like to know how you think this play would benefit the mafia in any way if Chezinu really is mafia. I mean at most we kill MM then kill Chezinu when he flips green. Your plan is thrown off by a day and we kind of lean on trusting you I suppose. Chezinu tried saying MM was mafia covertly but the way he acts make most people not listen to him when he talks.
For anyone who can't remember what he does, he role claims basically every role, accuses almost everyone of being mafia and threatens to kill almost everyone while preaching some random shit about being Brown.
Right now, mafia are scared shitless. I managed to convince the town that I'm legit and that I have a plan to break them. And they know by my constant insistence on this plan, I ain't bullshitting them, I'm shooting straight. So they're scrambling.
Who the fuck have you convinced really? You have never really mentioned this plan except referenced a game WITH A DIFFERENT RULE AND ROLE SET.
Yeah, your insisting on some plan that might as well not exist in the way you have verbalized it.
They have at least one intelligent player on their squad who realizes sacrificing one mafia for the greater good won't alter their KP. So they take MikeyMoo, a player who people had been slightly suspicious of, and they sacrifice him. He's obviously not the GF. They now have Chezinu, who might be the GF covering himself as a DT, and who has been acting arbitrarily all game long, claim that he is a DT and out of nowhere has a guilty. It fits Chez's profile no matter what he draws - he plays like a jackass. He will get the town to lynch Mikeymoo. Mikey will flip mafia. People will buy into "Woo! Chez is DT." Knowing this site's whole "FOLLOW THE PR LOLZ" mentality in the games, they will either a) manipulate his results to push mislynches and kill their cleared or b) get a town circle "established" and have a full list.
BTW, I said my plan would come as soon as I got my confirmed DT check. Without it, my plan is null.
Where to start here? Alright got it. Lets start and the whole Chezinu faking DT part.
WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY DO THAT? Here is what would happen 1. Chezinu fakes DT kills one of his own. The real DT which most people agreed HAS to be in the game goes "wtf? 2 DT's? Bullshit." and checks Chezinu. Then probably just role claims in the thread and gets Chezinu killed. Then we have two solid lynches in a row. But yeah you are right. In this entire situation they lost no KP, only 2/3rds of their mafia. This makes perfect sense.
The entire concept of chezinu forming town circle and them getting a complete role list is insane.
Everything in that last paragraph is the perfect scenario from a mission impossible movie.
Because the chances of EVERYTHING fucking happening EXACTLY like that are so absurdly low its not even funny.
But hey, way to most likely out yourself as well. This shit just keeps getting dumber and dumber. I feel like we are battling a mafia strait off a short bus.
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Dear Judge,
I totally agree with you that mikeymoo is mafia.
I totally agree with you that I’m a bit crazy in this game… well maybe more than a bit.
If I’m mafia please accept my gift of Mikeymoo – I’m sure he would be really mad that I would turn on him after he tried so hard to be a good brownie. Oh and I totally beat you on thinking I was a crazy mafia. Just saying..
If I’m detective please accept my finding. You know, you demanded Blind Faith but are unwilling to give it. Tis tis. I even tried to copy your format…
Okay, as for the pm’s. I do it for the laughs.However, mikey responded so weird… he actually spent a lot of time writing his stuff. He like could of missed a bujillion posts writing that stuff. He also said he was going to abstain all the way. But he didn’t, mafia had better plans (that’s for you Ace – you said townies don’t lie). Mikeymoo was last to be accused. I guessed his mafia friends were trying to hide him. So obviously we can conclude that if Pyrr was playing this game, he wouldn’t be mafia. Another give away was that mikeymoo was too confused yet he bothered to talk about each player… Do you know anyone who talks about players when they are in a state of confusion? He wasted so much time writing about his opinion about players in this game when he himself was confused. Come on…
So I chose mikeymoo to rolecheck because I like to play solo and I’m a rebel in your eyes. Except now I’m playing for my team by revealing my role…so I’m kind of a crazy person…yeah..crazy..
You can call me an idiot but I am putting my faith that Chezinu is telling the truth.
Your favorite mad detective,
Chezinu
+ Show Spoiler +I guess I have to use my 500 post. Tried to make it a little longer than usual with some useless information. You guys wanted need me to talk more..
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this is all interesting. I guess tomorrow I'll have to make a long post about Zato-1, Judge, MM and Chezinu.
However at this point Chez I'm pretty sure you know you're like, almost guaranteed a lynch (seriously after seeing judge RC the first day and take shit, you'd have to AT LEAST be able to find a way to convince people). Also the other reason I don't really believe you is because on the Day 1 vote you flip flopped so many times that you came off as Mafia. Seriously, why would you flip flop if you wanted to save Malongo or Judge? Just abstain if that's the case.
And yea I read your PM Chezinu, but I'm not helping you get MikeyMoo killed unless you really flip DT. Either way it's really funny how every single time someone is "on the radar" ANOTHER person comes from left field with some new info and knocks shit out of whack.
After the Chezinu/MM debacle is cleared up we'll move on to past transgressions.
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It's sad that RoL and Scamp know me better than you Ace... You seriously can't read me by now?
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Ace I don't see the point in wasting more time. I get the point in lynching role callers but it can be confirmed the same way doing it in reverse.
And yes I get chez could just be trying to earn trust by killing one of his own, but that seems highly unlikely. Even if that is the case though, if we do indeed have a DT (which apparently is assumed we do?) it will most likely check Chezinu the next possible opportunity and if we see a dead DT pop up the next night we can kill Chezinu to be safe.
I don't really see any reason not to go with it. We essentially put ourselves off until day 4 to kill a mafia if Chezinu isn't lying.
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Okay, so. By now, many people seem to be impatient. I know stuff that makes me be less impatient- for instance, I now know Judge not to be mafia with a pretty high degree of certainty, due to a few PMs. I will proceed to publicly post those PMs which explain why he has gained my trust. But before that, I'd like to announce I'm a Vigilante. Call my roleclaiming retarded all you want- I think it's more important for the Town to throw some information out into the open and organize ourselves, than it is to keep my blue role hidden for fear of getting hit at night. I mean, I'm basically a green townie with a bonus kill, which I'll probably use tonight anyway, so I wouldn't be such a huge loss even if mafia hit me tonight due to my roleclaim.
My original PM to Judge:
"To: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Mini Mafia 2
Date: 1/6/10 06:03
I've played with you before, read your posts, and thoroughly considered your role claim. You may be mafia, in which case I'm condemning myself with this PM, but I think you're not.
So, I just wanted to let you know. I'm the vigi."
It's a risky move, because in case Judge was mafia, I'd probably die on night 1. This is the reply I got:
"From: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Mini Mafia 2
Date: 1/6/10 08:06
Thanks for trusting me.
I am not in fact mafia.
I will have a purpose for you in the coming days. Right now, play enough to avoid being lynched, but not enough to become a NK target. I need you alive N2 for my plan to work out."
The fact that he wanted me to save my kill for night 2 made me a bit suspicious- maybe he just wanted me to save it while he killed me at night 1. At any rate, if mafia hit me on Night 1, it'd be very likely Judge would be responsible for it, so I sent another PM to L, incriminating Judge in case I died, just before Night 1 ended:
PM TO L BEGINS HERE, SO MANY QUOTATION SIGNS MAY MAKE IT CONFUSING:
"To: L [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Before night ends
Date: 1/8/10 11:18
Hey L. I wanted to inform you of these PMs I had with Judge, in case I don't survive the night:
"Thanks for trusting me.
I am not in fact mafia.
I will have a purpose for you in the coming days. Right now, play enough to avoid being lynched, but not enough to become a NK target. I need you alive N2 for my plan to work out.
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Original Message:
I've played with you before, read your posts, and thoroughly considered your role claim. You may be mafia, in which case I'm condemning myself with this PM, but I think you're not.
So, I just wanted to let you know. I'm the vigi."
Starts with a reply from Judge, and my own message which initiated the conversation is below. As you can see, I roleclaim Vigilante to him (which I'm not, by the way), and he says he'll need me to hit something on Night 2. In case Judge is mafia, he'll likely take my bait and kill me on Night 1.
So yeah. If I die, it's probably because of that PM, and because Judge is mafia."
PM TO L ENDS HERE.
If Judge was mafia, and L wasn't, I would die on night 1 and L would know Judge to be mafia. If Judge was Town and L was mafia, I wasn't putting myself on any more immediate danger- I lied to L, telling him I'm not a Vigilante, in order to look like a less desirable target for night 1.
At this point, I'm fairly convinced Judge is Town-aligned. The fact that I lived through night 1 does little to confirm L, however, so he isn't confirmed yet as far as I'm concerned.
I won't expect everyone to believe me or to begin trusting Judge now. But know that I do trust him now, and from this post onwards, you know my reasons for placing that trust; I thought he wasn't mafia on day 1, and after night 1 came and went, this hunch has gained some substance. Yes, he isn't 100% confirmed to be Town-aligned just yet. However, he certainly looks more Town-aligned to me than anyone else, at the moment.
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Since Zato is a vigi, how about we lynch mikey and Zato can kill me tonight? Omg! This works out too well me and Zato must be mafia!
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