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Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
October 11 2014 11:26 GMT
#721
not to mention such speculations without any evidence are demeaning and heavily frowned upon on TL.
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
October 11 2014 11:26 GMT
#722
Honestly, even looking aside the picks, blue played in a really half-assed manner, like as if they didn't really care at all. But whatever, i guess there is no way we will ever know if it was collusion.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-11 11:39:06
October 11 2014 11:33 GMT
#723
On October 11 2014 20:26 sharky246 wrote:
Honestly, even looking aside the picks, blue played in a really half-assed manner, like as if they didn't really care at all. But whatever, i guess there is no way we will ever know if it was collusion.


Stop spouting bullshit as if you know it is fact. This is a chance these teams have been working towards for months(and years for some of these players). You think Deft crying and Blue's despondent faces were all just superior acting? I despise the fact that the first reaction from people for out of meta picks is "collusion". If those picks had worked, these same people would be praising them about how they went "out of the meta" and made it work. Instead, you saw that White were ready for any picks because Looper is really amazing, and doesn't lose his lane ever. In fact, he specifically had Akali prepared for the Kayle pick, which people were starting to use more in Worlds.

Blue lost due to more than just pick and ban stage.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 11 2014 11:34 GMT
#724
i feared this would happen. to come on and see the games already over meant this was a fast stomp, like holy shit fast.
I come in for the scraps
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
October 11 2014 11:41 GMT
#725
If they wanted to collude they wouldn't have picked risky champions, just simply lose with champs you'd expect them to pick. Also, they would deliberately made it into 3-1 or 3-2.

Unless this is the worst co-ordinated collusion in the history of sports. (not counting county leagues in sports liek football of course)
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 11 2014 11:51 GMT
#726
On October 10 2014 10:20 gtrsrs wrote:
Samsung White 6-0 to close out the next 2 weeks


:hellasmugfacebro:
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-11 11:55:05
October 11 2014 11:54 GMT
#727
On October 11 2014 20:51 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:20 gtrsrs wrote:
Samsung White 6-0 to close out the next 2 weeks


:hellasmugfacebro:


Really hoping that OMG somehow makes the finals competitive in some shape or form x_x

If SHRC wins the SHRC-OMG semis we'll be in for another stompy 3:0 finals for sure. I have no faith in SHRC, SHRC this year is the same as RoyalClub last year. Changed a competent Mid+top for a uncompetitive Mid+top in return for a competitive Supp+Jungle to replace the weight that was Lucky (and to an extent Tabe) At least with OMG I can still summon some silver of unrealistic hope >_>
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miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
October 11 2014 12:02 GMT
#728
On October 11 2014 20:08 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 20:05 JSH wrote:
But I thought it was the champs that they win Worlds with

I dunno if they are going to let all those picks through

There seems to be some flexibility, SKT K's G3 comp was jax/J4/gragas/corki/zyra while the SKT skins were jax/lee/zed/vayne/zyra



From what I understand its just champs that the team used most often during worlds.
@miicah88
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
October 11 2014 12:04 GMT
#729
On October 11 2014 21:02 miicah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 20:08 Fusilero wrote:
On October 11 2014 20:05 JSH wrote:
But I thought it was the champs that they win Worlds with

I dunno if they are going to let all those picks through

There seems to be some flexibility, SKT K's G3 comp was jax/J4/gragas/corki/zyra while the SKT skins were jax/lee/zed/vayne/zyra



From what I understand its just champs that the team used most often during worlds.


It's actually "signature" champs. Which can basically be anything that Riot wants to make from what the winning team has picked.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
October 11 2014 12:48 GMT
#730
People thinking there was collusion are fucking clueless. Blue got outplayed as most people thought. It's not like they had though opponents before the semis.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
October 11 2014 12:49 GMT
#731
Well shit i went to the bar hoping to catch the 4th or 5th game.
<3 Kim Taeyeon
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
October 11 2014 13:00 GMT
#732
On October 11 2014 20:00 sharky246 wrote:
im not saying that it is collusion for certain, but i just can't wrap my head around those out of meta picks.

Specific strategies made for the matchup?
Panic? Desperation?

If you were going to collude, you wouldn't make it a massive one-sided Bo5 where you have a 7k deficit at 20minutes every game and lose massively in sub-30mins.
You would let it go later and throw a fight late game that gives the other team baron or something.
HOLY CHECK!
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-11 13:06:34
October 11 2014 13:05 GMT
#733
On October 11 2014 20:14 sharky246 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 20:08 TeeTS wrote:
On October 11 2014 19:57 sharky246 wrote:
i hate to say this, but the matches looked a bit like a case of collusion. I mean that galio and akali pick.


what´s the advantage of a collusion here? Samsung already showed that they won´t fix matches, even when would´ve gotten pretty big advantages out of it.
(When Blue and White faced each other in Summer Ro4, White could have avoided the tie breaker vs SKT K by winning the match and secure their spot at worlds. Blue was already qualified for worlds at this point and still won.)
This is absolute bullshit. You simply have no idea, what you´re talking about.

I don't know why people are getting so up in arms about me thinking there might be collusion. Sister teams duking it out with questionable team comps is not solid proof to say guilty but enough to be suspicious. I am not saying they are guilty but am suspicious.


Without even having to consider what took place in-game, the question remains: what do they gain by colluding? Is it somehow true that the only team that has a chance in the finals is SSW? Of course that's not true. Either SSW or SSB could easily stomp the finals, so why would they collude to try to pass SSW into the finals? Also, unless you're also assuming that they're splitting all the prize money, then why would SSB agree to take far less prize money and lose a chance at the grand prize just to send their sister team to the finals?

You don't have to see the games or comps to realize it's utterly ridiculous to suggest collusion. There's absolutely no reason for them to do it.

----

On topic:

If SHRC can 3-0 OMG tomorrow, then the TSM fans will rise triumphant from the ashes like the phoenix. I pray for this outcome in the name of based Crumbledore the Prophet.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-11 13:09:44
October 11 2014 13:08 GMT
#734
Wait, has anyone put up a half believable reason for Blue being willing to lose one of the biggest opportunities in their career? Because if there's no motive you have to think this collusion talk is just looking to stir some shit.

Edit: Post above mine is spot on.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-11 13:54:05
October 11 2014 13:49 GMT
#735
no I'm not trying to stir shit. I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR CERTAIN THAT IS COLLUSION. I just have never ever witnessed such a one-sided series between what was perceived as two of the very best teams in the world. I mean am I the only one who thought that that was not the SSB that we all know as? And im sure im not the only one who was baffled by the akali and galio pick, along with a mejais on tf.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21939 Posts
October 11 2014 14:11 GMT
#736
On October 11 2014 22:49 sharky246 wrote:
no I'm not trying to stir shit. I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR CERTAIN THAT IS COLLUSION. I just have never ever witnessed such a one-sided series between what was perceived as two of the very best teams in the world. I mean am I the only one who thought that that was not the SSB that we all know as? And im sure im not the only one who was baffled by the akali and galio pick, along with a mejais on tf.

And yet you are the only one throwing around the single most damaging accusation you can in sport with 0 evidence.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 11 2014 14:11 GMT
#737
--- Nuked ---
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
October 11 2014 14:13 GMT
#738
On October 11 2014 22:49 sharky246 wrote:
no I'm not trying to stir shit. I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR CERTAIN THAT IS COLLUSION. I just have never ever witnessed such a one-sided series between what was perceived as two of the very best teams in the world. I mean am I the only one who thought that that was not the SSB that we all know as? And im sure im not the only one who was baffled by the akali and galio pick, along with a mejais on tf.


Do you not realize how disrespectful it is to the teams involved to accuse them of any sort of collusion?

This shouldn't even be a discussion without concrete evidence

Mejai on TF was desperation move, he was hoping to snowball enough to carry
What's wrong with trying out pocket strats that I am certain they have practiced and theory crafted

Also you are ignoring everyone's reasoning why collusion is not even possible
They is no REASON for it

What is Blue to gain from losing?
Without that concrete evidence this shouldn't even be discussed

Just like the time people were accusing of match fixing during the group stages
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
October 11 2014 14:17 GMT
#739
This bullshit is all over reddit as well, kind of disappointed there isn't just an auto ban for baseless speculation. It's not like it goes against TL policy either.
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-11 14:22:48
October 11 2014 14:21 GMT
#740
On October 11 2014 23:11 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 22:49 sharky246 wrote:
no I'm not trying to stir shit. I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR CERTAIN THAT IS COLLUSION. I just have never ever witnessed such a one-sided series between what was perceived as two of the very best teams in the world. I mean am I the only one who thought that that was not the SSB that we all know as? And im sure im not the only one who was baffled by the akali and galio pick, along with a mejais on tf.

And yet you are the only one throwing around the single most damaging accusation you can in sport with 0 evidence.


oh come on, a comment from some random guy in a forum that is mainly sc2 fans is hardly what i would call damaging. I'm sorry if you are offended by it, i didn't expect anyone to get angry about it. Although now that i think about the past, i guess i can understand why it is a sensitive topic.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
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