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asymptotech
United States295 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:12 asymptotech wrote: I really hope the success of things like Poppy or mid Hec (yeah, they lost, but Keane kicked ass) encourages more LCS teams to stick with what they enjoy/are good at/etc rather than blindly copying things. The overall meta strategy for teams might be rather tried and true at this point, but what champions and lane configurations can be used to achieve those goals is so limited by fear of failure and insisting on copying certain players/regions. I want to see more things similar to the Ashe/Zyra bot lane (repeatedly used for success...repeatedly the only ones who did it) than another mid laner picking Zilean because Faker won a single game against White with it and failing miserably because he *clearly* doesn't play that champion at the same level he plays Ziggs and Ahri. Nothing will change. There are op picks and if you are a pro player you HAVE TO learn at least 80% of them (the ones in your lane, obviously don't go learning Trist if you are a jungler), otherwise you will remain an amateur. Yes, many players picked stuff like Renagr and failed with it, but that doesn't change the fact that he was better than most of the other picks in jungle at the time. The correct answer should've been to practice him much more and not taking something else. Sure, if you keep suckig balls with him then pick something else. Special picks will always exist, like this was THE game where Poppy could shine. Happens once a year, enjoy it. If Keane ever reaches worlds he won't be playing Hecarim mid by then, trust me, unless the meta will extremely favor that, but then everyone else will play it. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
He did say he will remove poppy if she is ever played successfully in competetive play. lol poppy ban | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
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asymptotech
United States295 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:14 krndandaman wrote: the thing is the more those champs are played the more teams will know how to play against it and their weaknesses will be exposed. not to mention a simple ban solves the problem. its a good way to force a ban/win a surprise game like they did here though. There are only 6 bans - I'd be willing to bet that almost any team would feel it was a victory if the other team had to use one of their bans on Poppy. And does that same argument not work for playing the same champions as everyone else? If they've seen it a million times, they know the match up. I don't have some dream of 120 champions each seeing the same amount of play. But I do think this season featured a lot of "copying the meta" instead of actually creating one. I hate the amount of shit talk on this forum sometimes, so I'm only using Link as an example (I have nothing against him, he'd trash my d3 ass). However, his Zilean and mid Kog games both felt like "we saw in Korea, we played it a few times, let's do it." I would have much preferred to see him pick a champion that we've seen a hundred times before and make the game more competitive. There is a very distinct difference between having the confidence to play a pocket pick vs copying a pick (be it believed to be "standard" or "surprise"). | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
I remember back at the start of S3 shushei's team when they were iwantcookie ran doge support. They won | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Wtf. They're so bad. Fucking idiots Millenium. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:17 Volband wrote: Nothing will change. There are op picks and if you are a pro player you HAVE TO learn at least 80% of them (the ones in your lane, obviously don't go learning Trist if you are a jungler), otherwise you will remain an amateur. Yes, many players picked stuff like Renagr and failed with it, but that doesn't change the fact that he was better than most of the other picks in jungle at the time. The correct answer should've been to practice him much more and not taking something else. Sure, if you keep suckig balls with him then pick something else. Special picks will always exist, like this was THE game where Poppy could shine. Happens once a year, enjoy it. If Keane ever reaches worlds he won't be playing Hecarim mid by then, trust me, unless the meta will extremely favor that, but then everyone else will play it. The "OPs" are generally overrated though. Because players will always try to copy other players that have success with something without having the same skillset. And statistics proof that, on average the top picked and banned champions in LCS consistently have less than 50% win rate. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:22 Alaric wrote: Wtf that Poppy ban. You're fucking red side, they can't hide a last pick like that and you can pick something to trash it if you're afraid! Wtf. They're so bad. Fucking idiots Millenium. they're bad for losing to poppy. huehue. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:19 LaNague wrote: does this mean morello deletes poppy now? He did say he will remove poppy if she is ever played successfully in competetive play. lol poppy ban Yeah he said he'd nerf her out of viability if she ever saw pro play. If he actually does that... it'd be pretty stupid and just show that he has zero clue how to balance his own game. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:22 wei2coolman wrote: they're bad for losing to poppy. huehue. More like I honestly didn't think their draft phase could reach lower. Turns out it can. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:23 overt wrote: Yeah he said he'd nerf her out of viability if she ever saw pro play. If he actually does that... it'd be pretty stupid and just show that he has zero clue how to balance his own game. That nerf would not be for balance reasons but for gameplay reasons. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:22 Redox wrote: The "OPs" are generally overrated though. Because players will always try to copy other players that have success with something without having the same skillset. And statistics proof that, on average the top picked and banned champions in LCS consistently have less than 50% win rate. Look at Rengar's winrate in na lcs (I don't know how low it is, but definetly not good) then look how they played him. They had no idea how to use him, there were tons of instances where they ulted and did not do anything for x times in a row. Statistics won't show the true potential of a certain champion. Even Diana and Eve, one of the most broken champs (sine s2) in their prime times had many losses. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:23 overt wrote: Yeah he said he'd nerf her out of viability if she ever saw pro play. If he actually does that... it'd be pretty stupid and just show that he has zero clue how to balance his own game. I highly doubt he will nerf her, you are exaggerating what he said, but even if he did, no one can argue with that she is a fucking toxic champion and no one wants to see her in competitive play or even in soloq. Yes, it was really aweosme to see her now, but if she was a pick/ban champion I'd just skip the entire worlds because I would not enjoy games being decided the minute Poppy gets a kill. The kit of that champ is just retarded; she's like Jax on steroids with the added invincibility for the lulz. No thanks. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 12 2014 05:28 Volband wrote: Look at Rengar's winrate in na lcs (I don't know how low it is, but definetly not good) then look how they played him. They had no idea how to use him, there were tons of instances where they ulted and did not do anything for x times in a row. Statistics won't show the true potential of a certain champion. Even Diana and Eve, one of the most broken champs (sine s2) in their prime times had many losses. Yeah and my point was that this potential is not being fulfilled in reality because just picking the supposedly op champion is not enough. Win rates are the most important stat of all, it is the only thing that counts in teh end. And if you lose more than you win with the most contested champions you have to ask yourself why you contest them so much. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
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