its really boring when a team doesn't know how to play from behind and instead play compltely passive waiting for the other team to make mistakes. It just becomes a slow strangulation, prob why xdg is last lol
On March 23 2014 05:55 Fusilero wrote: Why do oriannas always get the best ults when their team is too screwed, ganked by mom was doing the same thing with jin air.
Because teams group up and get sloppy when they're ahead. So more chances for Ori to land those epic ults.
On March 23 2014 05:55 Fusilero wrote: Why do oriannas always get the best ults when their team is too screwed, ganked by mom was doing the same thing with jin air.
I mean, it's easier to get godly ults when the enemy team is sieging on your towers, they are more grouped up trying to hit it.
zionspartan is probably the most interesting top laner in NA to watch, purely from the occasional carrying and we can see something besides the supertanks
On March 23 2014 06:58 onlywonderboy wrote: Well that was a good engage in theory, but Coast is just too far behind.
Zionspartan got so screwed being two levels behind a renekton + kassadin ganks thanks to that 4 push, I'm ragging on it but it was mind bogglingly stupid for literally no advantage zionspartan got screwed so hard coast is 4v5.
On March 23 2014 06:58 onlywonderboy wrote: Well that was a good engage in theory, but Coast is just too far behind.
Zionspartan got so screwed being two levels behind a renekton + kassadin ganks thanks to that 4 push, I'm ragging on it but it was mind bogglingly stupid for literally no advantage zionspartan got screwed so hard coast is 4v5.
did coast initiate the lane swap? Didn't catch the beginning of the game, by the time I got back renekton already had 2 kills on ryze
On March 23 2014 06:58 onlywonderboy wrote: Well that was a good engage in theory, but Coast is just too far behind.
Zionspartan got so screwed being two levels behind a renekton + kassadin ganks thanks to that 4 push, I'm ragging on it but it was mind bogglingly stupid for literally no advantage zionspartan got screwed so hard coast is 4v5.
did coast initiate the lane swap? Didn't catch the beginning of the game, by the time I got back renekton already had 2 kills on ryze
Yes Coast got first blood then sent 4 men top at the start of the game for some reason.
I fully expected Coast to got for 2 or more turrets top when they moved 4 there but they killed Outer at the same time as C9 and didnt even try for the inner one. made no sense.
On March 23 2014 06:58 onlywonderboy wrote: Well that was a good engage in theory, but Coast is just too far behind.
Zionspartan got so screwed being two levels behind a renekton + kassadin ganks thanks to that 4 push, I'm ragging on it but it was mind bogglingly stupid for literally no advantage zionspartan got screwed so hard coast is 4v5.
did coast initiate the lane swap? Didn't catch the beginning of the game, by the time I got back renekton already had 2 kills on ryze
Coast initiated the lane swap (In good match ups that was already stupid but I'll let them off with they over-predicted C9 lane swapping themselves) but the issues is that instead of heading straight to bot or finding any XP he just joins them in the 3 man push giving himself a hilarious XP/CS deficit to balls who farmed up the jungle and ganked mid and a renekton with two levels on any top laner is screwed on top of that a TP kassadin and that it's ryze literally gg no re. They didn't even get the T2 with 4 men, C9 took turret and a dragon while coast just got a turret. That 4 man push actually made me table flip
On March 23 2014 07:13 Gorsameth wrote: Good analysis of why Coast send there duo top tho (they expected Cloud9 to put a 2v1 against Ryze). Still dont get why Ryze was top aswell then tho Oo
It's because Coast still don't have a frigging idea how to play LoL at the top level. In the challenger games they just flat out beat teams in laning phase because they were more talented. Well, guess what, even if Coast has a ton of talent, they lose to teams that are better coached and have better knowledge of the game.
Alex Penn got a lot of hype because he was the 'analyst' of C9 when they went 25-3 but, its pretty clear that Lemon was always the brain of the team and Alex Penn was just a glorified researcher who would watch OGN and LPL and inform the team what they were playing 'over there'. I'm convinced he doesn't know a damn thing about actually 'coaching' a team.
I dunno, it really annoys me because Coast have (sigh) potential, but aren't getting the help they need to unlock it.
On March 23 2014 07:31 ParadeofMadness wrote: vayne into cait, doublelift no respect for robertxlee
He never plays Lucian and he hadn't played Jinx since week 1. What can you expect if Liftlift hadn't got Sivir and Caitlyn? :D And he never plays Ezreal against Caitlyn if he can.
On March 23 2014 07:37 Numy wrote: Is Innox actually worse than Cruzer. So dam hard to tell. At least CLG putting on a clinic on how to destroy teams with subs.
IMO Innox is better than Cruzer, just unfortunately at champs that aren't really strong in the current meta, so he looks worse than he is.
On March 23 2014 07:37 Numy wrote: Is Innox actually worse than Cruzer. So dam hard to tell. At least CLG putting on a clinic on how to destroy teams with subs.
IMO Innox is better than Cruzer, just unfortunately at champs that aren't really strong in the current meta, so he looks worse than he is.
Isn't that being bad though? Being good at something that isn't good enough to be played doesn't really mean anything I think. Strong players are the ones that are good at what is good.
On March 23 2014 07:37 Numy wrote: Is Innox actually worse than Cruzer. So dam hard to tell. At least CLG putting on a clinic on how to destroy teams with subs.
IMO Innox is better than Cruzer, just unfortunately at champs that aren't really strong in the current meta, so he looks worse than he is.
At least innox keeping up in farm with shyvana and is in a 2v1 lane. Cruzer got like 100 cs behind in a 1v1 lane.
On March 23 2014 07:37 Numy wrote: Is Innox actually worse than Cruzer. So dam hard to tell. At least CLG putting on a clinic on how to destroy teams with subs.
IMO Innox is better than Cruzer, just unfortunately at champs that aren't really strong in the current meta, so he looks worse than he is.
Isn't that being bad though? Being good at something that isn't good enough to be played doesn't really mean anything I think. Strong players are the ones that are good at what is good.
That's exactly what it means to be bad. Weak champ pool = being bad.
But he still manages to do about as well on non-meta champs as Cruzer does on purely meta champs. So he does have a higher upside, and if the meta shifts he might find himself in a better position.
On March 23 2014 07:37 Numy wrote: Is Innox actually worse than Cruzer. So dam hard to tell. At least CLG putting on a clinic on how to destroy teams with subs.
IMO Innox is better than Cruzer, just unfortunately at champs that aren't really strong in the current meta, so he looks worse than he is.
Isn't that being bad though? Being good at something that isn't good enough to be played doesn't really mean anything I think. Strong players are the ones that are good at what is good.
That's exactly what it means to be bad. Weak champ pool = being bad.
But he still manages to do about as well on non-meta champs as Cruzer does on purely meta champs. So he does have a higher upside, and if the meta shifts he might find himself in a better position.
I don't think he's been doing as well on non-meta champs. Either way, upside is another word for potential and we all know how much potential means in league.
I don't see how that's potential lol. If anything that shows lack of potential surely? Being able to adapt is one of the most important aspects of being a pro player.
On March 23 2014 07:37 Numy wrote: Is Innox actually worse than Cruzer. So dam hard to tell. At least CLG putting on a clinic on how to destroy teams with subs.
IMO Innox is better than Cruzer, just unfortunately at champs that aren't really strong in the current meta, so he looks worse than he is.
Isn't that being bad though? Being good at something that isn't good enough to be played doesn't really mean anything I think. Strong players are the ones that are good at what is good.
That's exactly what it means to be bad. Weak champ pool = being bad.
But he still manages to do about as well on non-meta champs as Cruzer does on purely meta champs. So he does have a higher upside, and if the meta shifts he might find himself in a better position.
I don't think he's been doing as well on non-meta champs. Either way, upside is another word for potential and we all know how much potential means in league.
True, but I don't think he's the main reason EG is in the position they're in. Either way, he's definitely no Balls.
On March 23 2014 07:37 Numy wrote: Is Innox actually worse than Cruzer. So dam hard to tell. At least CLG putting on a clinic on how to destroy teams with subs.
IMO Innox is better than Cruzer, just unfortunately at champs that aren't really strong in the current meta, so he looks worse than he is.
Isn't that being bad though? Being good at something that isn't good enough to be played doesn't really mean anything I think. Strong players are the ones that are good at what is good.
That's exactly what it means to be bad. Weak champ pool = being bad.
But he still manages to do about as well on non-meta champs as Cruzer does on purely meta champs. So he does have a higher upside, and if the meta shifts he might find himself in a better position.
I don't think he's been doing as well on non-meta champs. Either way, upside is another word for potential and we all know how much potential means in league.
True, but I don't think he's the main reason EG is in the position they're in. Either way, he's definitely no Balls.
I agree. Innox is far from being the main problem for EG. But he's definitely one of the many problems they have.
The irony of EG I think is actually that they don't really have a "main" problem. Just a ton of little problems that have all added together to snowball them down to 7th place. If XDG hadn't gone full derp in the first half of the season, they'd definitely be this season's Velocity.
On March 23 2014 07:48 Itsmedudeman wrote: I can't wait till EG fall to relegations. This whole team has just been based around snoopeh trying to get an NA fanbase.
They'll probably get out of relegations though, NA challenger teams suck so hard, crs academy is pretty much the only team with a longshot of taking them but I emphasise the longshot
On March 23 2014 07:54 wei2coolman wrote: seriously, who the fuck is this fauxlifter? BotRK first on Vayne, and 2nd item is GA.
Kobe so off the mark... Tha'ts how their comp is meant to be played out. The main reason DL got GA was because of how the comp is meant to be played.... It just looks messy, but this is exactly how its suppose to play out....
I feel bad for Thinkcard tho. Being forced to camp Nidalee being underleveled and feed whole game after it + being sub for Snoopeh - what can be worse.
On March 23 2014 08:06 Fusilero wrote: I actually liked the roberto/ken bot lane, shame everyone got dunked so hard they just kinda had to accept their own dunking
Wouldn't be surprised to see both players in the LCS eventually... that teamwork to kill an overextended dexter was awesome.
On March 23 2014 08:06 Fusilero wrote: I actually liked the roberto/ken bot lane, shame everyone got dunked so hard they just kinda had to accept their own dunking
Yeah they were doing good. Pobelter/Roberto/Ken should be new EG core team.
Went to get dinner, tuned back in for a second with the intention of checking the score and then going to watch Boiler, but holy shit there's an Ali in this game, I gotta watch this.
On March 23 2014 08:43 ZCive2 wrote: so it's a chinese team that plays on NA and is easily rank 1? why aren't more chinese teams doing the same thing?
Not actually that easily, they're still struggling against Curse Academy and the other "top tier" challenger teams.
Right now I'd put them around Coast-level in terms of skill. Good enough to be in the LCS, not good enough to do that well in it.
Yeah ... no. You don't "struggle" against a team when all it means you have a slight chance of losing when there's nothing on the line.
Wat? LMQ has lost against T8, coL.Black, C9T, and CA in NACL. They're among the top teams, but they're by no means stomping the league.
Dude this is NACL. It says absolutely nothing, because you dont know how serious LMQ played. A lot of their plays there very much looked like they didnt care much though.
Quas living with under 30 HP when they fought top and Voyboy barely ulted him over the wall was so retardedly lucky and decided the game... dumb shit z_z
On March 24 2014 04:11 Neverhood wrote: Lol it's pretty awkward that they interview two opponents who are about to play and ask them what they're gonna do...
It's viable with millenium, ask olly and he'll happily leak everything (Then wonders why no team likes millenium)
I really like this segment. They aren't actually giving away strats, and players talking about their teams strengths and weaknesses is really interesting.
On March 24 2014 04:11 TitusVI wrote: Actually, is there an explantation why so many asian decent players are in NA LCS?
Because there are a lot of asians in NA? Hello, multicultural world.
On March 24 2014 04:05 Fusilero wrote: Roberto/Ken may somehow carry against C9. But meteos vs thinkcard if thinkcard plays like yesterday then... oooow EG level sponsor plug from riv
Bright thing is that things can't go worse for EG than it was yesterday. So if Pobelter dominates midlane and Robert+Ken dominate as well, upset can be real.
On March 24 2014 04:11 TitusVI wrote: Actually, is there an explantation why so many asian decent players are in NA LCS?
Because there are a lot of asians in NA? Hello, multicultural world.
Well not sure that is an good explantation since around 2,5% of americans are asian. And in NA LCS its around 50%. Either its a cultural thing (but they still are americans) or they do have some esports genes that others dont have.
On March 24 2014 04:11 TitusVI wrote: Actually, is there an explantation why so many asian decent players are in NA LCS?
Because there are a lot of asians in NA? Hello, multicultural world.
Well not sure that is an good explantation since around 2,5% of americans are asian. And in NA LCS its around 50%. Either its a cultural thing (but they still are americans) or they do have some esports genes that others dont have.
lol, it's a culture thing. it's just like why top tier college is like 50% asian.
On March 24 2014 04:11 TitusVI wrote: Actually, is there an explantation why so many asian decent players are in NA LCS?
Because there are a lot of asians in NA? Hello, multicultural world.
Well not sure that is an good explantation since around 2,5% of americans are asian. And in NA LCS its around 50%. Either its a cultural thing (but they still are americans) or they do have some esports genes that others dont have.
They're just working hard, that's it. You can't win in MOBAs on raw talent.
On March 24 2014 04:23 Swords wrote: What the fuck... Qtpie's said Quinn sucks as an adc on stream more times than I can count.
And that's just over the past month or so.
It is qtpie after all.You never know if he actually means what he is saying.
True, it's the number one rule of Qt.
I like that Dig are trying weird shit at least. Given Scarra and Cruzer being sick all week I didn't have huge hopes for them coming into the week, so might as well go ham.
On March 24 2014 04:43 Doctorbeat wrote: Why the fuck even play Quinn, she's literally useless if she doesn't win lane. And I don't see Qtpie winning lane vs Turtle.
Laneswap to provide safety for Quinn. Only they weren't able to get the second tower so they fell behind and then got absolutely demolished in that dragon fight.
On March 24 2014 04:42 Gorsameth wrote: Dig was already behind from the tower plays and then that dragon. I doubt Dig can get back from this. Esp against a team as good as TSM
actually it was dead even after dig got the early dragon but tsm still somehow managed to get a 1k lead again only with farm and rotations. Dyrus somehow compensated a 25cs deficite to Cruzer although tsm decided to give wildturtle the free farm top lol.
then ofc that dragon fight happened and game over. Xpecial on point but that stacking from Dig was Bronze like.
On March 24 2014 04:43 Doctorbeat wrote: Why the fuck even play Quinn, she's literally useless if she doesn't win lane. And I don't see Qtpie winning lane vs Turtle.
Laneswap to provide safety for Quinn. Only they weren't able to get the second tower so they fell behind and then got absolutely demolished in that dragon fight.
Ouch. And once again we see the Cruzer not so tanky bruzer.
I don't even understand how they thought of this comp. Whoever Kayle doesn't ult gets popped in a second.
On March 24 2014 04:43 Doctorbeat wrote: Why the fuck even play Quinn, she's literally useless if she doesn't win lane. And I don't see Qtpie winning lane vs Turtle.
Laneswap to provide safety for Quinn. Only they weren't able to get the second tower so they fell behind and then got absolutely demolished in that dragon fight.
Problem with that is even lategame a Quinn will get wrecked. You have short range and not enough to help keep yourself safe.
On March 24 2014 04:45 Redox wrote: Why do you guys even talk about picks after this game? It is just a completely different level these teams are on.
pretty much. TSM could have picked anything. the picks don't matter. As long as TSM picks FotM they can beat any team handily in NA right now.
Eh, still reserving that judgement until I see TSM vs C9. I do think TSM will win, but it's good to be patient.
The only way c9 can beat TSM is if they pull out some gimmick or niche strat TSM hasn't seen before. I think in any standard 5v5 game, TSM is easily strongest team in NA.
On March 24 2014 04:45 Redox wrote: Why do you guys even talk about picks after this game? It is just a completely different level these teams are on.
pretty much. TSM could have picked anything. the picks don't matter. As long as TSM picks FotM they can beat any team handily in NA right now.
Eh, still reserving that judgement until I see TSM vs C9. I do think TSM will win, but it's good to be patient.
The only way c9 can beat TSM is if they pull out some gimmick or niche strat TSM hasn't seen before. I think in any standard 5v5 game, TSM is easily strongest team in NA.
On March 24 2014 04:45 Redox wrote: Why do you guys even talk about picks after this game? It is just a completely different level these teams are on.
pretty much. TSM could have picked anything. the picks don't matter. As long as TSM picks FotM they can beat any team handily in NA right now.
Eh, still reserving that judgement until I see TSM vs C9. I do think TSM will win, but it's good to be patient.
The only way c9 can beat TSM is if they pull out some gimmick or niche strat TSM hasn't seen before. I think in any standard 5v5 game, TSM is easily strongest team in NA.
I wouldn't say just blindly picking fotm. If both teams pick fotm champions, but C9 ends up with a better team comp, then it's a bit up in the air. In an even game though, my money's on TSM.
On March 24 2014 04:45 Redox wrote: Why do you guys even talk about picks after this game? It is just a completely different level these teams are on.
pretty much. TSM could have picked anything. the picks don't matter. As long as TSM picks FotM they can beat any team handily in NA right now.
Eh, still reserving that judgement until I see TSM vs C9. I do think TSM will win, but it's good to be patient.
The only way c9 can beat TSM is if they pull out some gimmick or niche strat TSM hasn't seen before. I think in any standard 5v5 game, TSM is easily strongest team in NA.
that mid fight blew a lot of spells for xpecial, a shockwave that hit really only eve, followed by a 1 man tibbers, before renekton even got there. Just poor uses of abilities there
Ugh, It was 10 minutes ago and I still can't get over that fight by dragon. It's not even like Xpecial flash ulted. DIG should feel embarrassed by that performance.
Losing Olly will be so good for that team. No more controversy distracting them from playing, no more teams refusing to scrim with them, and no more nasty tweets saying Mill refuses to listen to him after losses.
I feel badly for Aranae though. I made fun of him a lot for his play (mostly cause the shouting drove me nuts), but he seems like a genuinely good person. I would've been interested in seeing him play with better coaching.
He also seems like someone who could be a decent coach.
On March 24 2014 05:18 Alaric wrote: Oh wtf it started one hour earlier today? Damn. T_T Then again it was a Dig game so I guess it wasn't worth watching.
That's an understatement.
It looked like it'd be a cool game with weird picks and then they just got completely outplayed.
On March 24 2014 05:18 Alaric wrote: Oh wtf it started one hour earlier today? Damn. T_T Then again it was a Dig game so I guess it wasn't worth watching.
Out of curiosity why is it always the AD's that keep their warding trinket? even splitpushing top laners sell their ward for scanning. Seems to me the AD needs the ward trinket the least right? they're the ones that are usually grouped?
Well I mean they aren't playing awful but it's like they aren't even paying attention during the teamfights. It's unfathomable how they can lose these with such a fed Shyvana for example, when Doublelift didn't even get focused down.
On March 24 2014 05:50 TheLink wrote: Out of curiosity why is it always the AD's that keep their warding trinket? even splitpushing top laners sell their ward for scanning. Seems to me the AD needs the ward trinket the least right? they're the ones that are usually grouped?
Clearing wards is mid/late game more dangerous than putting wards down. I think.
On March 24 2014 05:54 caelym wrote: LOL DID YOU SEE THOSE DOUBLELIFT AUTOS ON THE PINK
Well he was really low and coulnt really auto anyone on coast without getting bopped.Don't see why he wouldnt do it.When aphro hooked kha he killed him.
On March 24 2014 05:54 caelym wrote: LOL DID YOU SEE THOSE DOUBLELIFT AUTOS ON THE PINK
Well he was really low and coulnt really auto anyone on coast without getting bopped.Don't see why he wouldnt do it.When aphro hooked kha he killed him.
I get the lifesteal, I thought he might've had a chance to hit the enemy team and lifesteal because they were very occupied with Aphro and whoever else was alive at that point. Maybe not though, I'll trust he made the right choice.
On March 24 2014 05:56 caelym wrote: multiple Coast players were 1 hit kills for doublelift, that definitely looked like a-click mis-micro
Sivir's auto attack range and his own hp was really low. Just because they were low doesn't mean liftlift was able to magically be in range to actually hit them.
On March 24 2014 05:56 caelym wrote: multiple Coast players were 1 hit kills for doublelift, that definitely looked like a-click mis-micro
annie can trade a stun spell and ziggs/kha could have one shotted him, you don't misclick the same pink ward 4 times he was trying to stay alive. He immediately took out kha when aphro hooked.
On March 24 2014 05:55 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah why the hell was Dlift killing the ward there Oo Not like he can lifesteal off it right?
You get full lifesteal off of wards even though they only lose 1 "HP" per attack, so late game you can see carries go from low to full just killing a pink.
And yeah remember Ziggs has his passive and 75 more range than Sivir, he could easily finish her off if she tried to attack and his passive came up.
they really need to replace nintendude if they want to be top 4 imo. i have not seen him play well once this entire season. he's always been dead weight on that team
On March 24 2014 06:01 meowmasta85 wrote: they really need to replace nintendude if they want to be top 4 imo. i have not seen him play well once this entire season. he's always been dead weight on that team
Seems like CLG has a lot of games where they aren't going to loose but they still take 15 minutes longer than needed because they end up playing sloppy.
I have no idea how people can defend doublelift hitting the word FIVE times during that fight around the baron area Thresh got a clutch hook which doublelift could have capitalized on, but he was way too tunnel visioned on lift stealing with the ward.
Overall, doublelift this game played really badly.
On March 24 2014 06:01 meowmasta85 wrote: they really need to replace nintendude if they want to be top 4 imo. i have not seen him play well once this entire season. he's always been dead weight on that team
On March 24 2014 06:04 ketchup wrote: I have no idea how people can defend doublelift hitting the word FIVE times during that baron fight. Thresh got a clutch hook which doublelift could have capitalized on, but he was way too tunnel visioned on lift stealing with the ward.
Overall, doublelift this game played really badly.
On March 24 2014 06:04 ketchup wrote: I have no idea how people can defend doublelift hitting the word FIVE times during that fight around the baron area Thresh got a clutch hook which doublelift could have capitalized on, but he was way too tunnel visioned on lift stealing with the ward.
Overall, doublelift this game played really badly.
He would have just died coz of ignite if not hitting dat ward, about what are you speaking? And he killed hooked Kha'Zix.
On March 24 2014 06:04 ketchup wrote: I have no idea how people can defend doublelift hitting the word FIVE times during that baron fight. Thresh got a clutch hook which doublelift could have capitalized on, but he was way too tunnel visioned on lift stealing with the ward.
Overall, doublelift this game played really badly.
He killed Kha when he got hooked.
People don't realize they slow down the replays and think DL spent more time hitting wards + reaction time than he actually did.
On March 24 2014 06:04 ketchup wrote: I have no idea how people can defend doublelift hitting the word FIVE times during that baron fight. Thresh got a clutch hook which doublelift could have capitalized on, but he was way too tunnel visioned on lift stealing with the ward.
Overall, doublelift this game played really badly.
He killed Kha when he got hooked.
Rewatch this fight. Watch doublelift. He plays badly. He takes damage from baron. He also used barrier in the fight. If it doesn't work, this is 2:52:16
Rewatching that fight right now it seems pretty obvious double hit the ward 1/2 times too many and didn't actually attack the kha when he was hooked, instead only after he killed thresh did he kill him.
On March 24 2014 06:12 Numy wrote: Rewatching that fight right now it seems pretty obvious double hit the ward 1/2 times too many and didn't actually attack the kha when he was hooked, instead only after he killed thresh did he kill him.
Just to add on, he should have gone for kha'zix as soon as aphromoo hooked him, he didn't. He tunnel visioned onto the ward for lift steal instead of seeing that his thresh hooked the kha'zix. The fact that aphromoo died as soon as he did is due to doublelift not paying attention here.
I am saying he played like this the whole game, and is a big part of the reason clg lost a lot of the fights they did.
On March 24 2014 06:04 ketchup wrote: I have no idea how people can defend doublelift hitting the word FIVE times during that baron fight. Thresh got a clutch hook which doublelift could have capitalized on, but he was way too tunnel visioned on lift stealing with the ward.
Overall, doublelift this game played really badly.
lol I was about to post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPXcyZ641vk&feature=share&t=2h51m49s so I was wrong about the misclick micro because he attacked the ward a full 5 times, making it a purposeful decision. whether it was right or not is debatable. Doublelift could have killed khasix on the third auto. He basically played like he wanted to leave the fight when the rest of his team is still in the thick of things.
Wait... people are still spending time criticizing Liftlift and not aphro for his split movement away from the team or Dexter's missed cocoons? That's the takeaway?
On March 24 2014 06:04 ketchup wrote: I have no idea how people can defend doublelift hitting the word FIVE times during that baron fight. Thresh got a clutch hook which doublelift could have capitalized on, but he was way too tunnel visioned on lift stealing with the ward.
Overall, doublelift this game played really badly.
lol I was about to post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPXcyZ641vk&feature=share&t=2h51m49s so I was wrong about the misclick micro because he attacked the ward a full 5 times, making it a purposeful decision. whether it was right or not is debatable. Doublelift could have killed khasix on the third auto. He basically played like he wanted to leave the fight when the rest of his team is still in the thick of things.
Yep. It's really weird. I know I'll never be as good as doublelift, and there are pressure/nerves involved. I admit it probably played a huge part in what happened there after shiptur flashed on him, but people pretending that doublelift played well is ridiculous in this case.
He deserves as much criticism as the rest of the members of his team for how long that game took to win
On March 24 2014 06:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Wait... people are still spending time criticizing Liftlift and not aphro for his split movement away from the team or Dexter's missed cocoons? That's the takeaway?
no, I'm just arguing with the doublelift defenders because it makes watching LCS more fun
On March 24 2014 06:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Wait... people are still spending time criticizing Liftlift and not aphro for his split movement away from the team or Dexter's missed cocoons? That's the takeaway?
no, I'm just arguing with the doublelift defenders because it makes watching LCS more fun
On March 24 2014 06:26 ParadeofMadness wrote: have we ever seen an insec ward kick in the nalcs? I feel not a single na jungler has the mechanics for it...
I'm sure its happened...its really not *all* that hard to do for the top level pros.
On March 24 2014 06:26 ParadeofMadness wrote: have we ever seen an insec ward kick in the nalcs? I feel not a single na jungler has the mechanics for it...
I'm sure its happened...its really not *all* that hard to do for the top level pros.
really do you have a link for it? im not talking about the flash kick, but the hardest kind where you jump to ward before q lands
On March 24 2014 06:24 wei2coolman wrote: Xdg confirmed for worse than velocity.
I'll have you know XDG's wins are equal to velocity and they've taken more maps off C9 than VES so uuuh. CST SUX
Yeah. But velocity got half of tl lol banned. Even banishing the prince of 'regularly watches all 5 leagues'
please explain
also i havent seen voy syndra work out yet
Okay so vileroze (A mid laner we all took the piss out of for his champion pool and performances) was switched to top so ecco could become their new mid. It was immediately met with mass "top lel", I can't remember who but someone proposed in vileroze's first top lane match vs CLG if VES win with vileroze top we get banned, loads of us took up the bet including neo. Unfortunately CLG proceeds to be CLG and runs double AD with irelia so vileroze 1v5s with randuins/thornmail/sunfire and we all get banned by moonbear
On March 24 2014 06:24 wei2coolman wrote: Xdg confirmed for worse than velocity.
I'll have you know XDG's wins are equal to velocity and they've taken more maps off C9 than VES so uuuh. CST SUX
Yeah. But velocity got half of tl lol banned. Even banishing the prince of 'regularly watches all 5 leagues'
please explain
also i havent seen voy syndra work out yet
Okay so vileroze (A mid laner we all took the piss out of for his champion pool and performances) was switched to top so ecco could become their new mid. It was immediately met with mass "top lel", I can't remember who but someone proposed in vileroze's first top lane match vs CLG if VES win with vileroze top we get banned, loads of us took up the bet including neo. Unfortunately CLG proceeds to be CLG and runs double AD with irelia so vileroze 1v5s with randuins/thornmail/sunfire and we all get banned by moonbear
On March 24 2014 06:24 wei2coolman wrote: Xdg confirmed for worse than velocity.
I'll have you know XDG's wins are equal to velocity and they've taken more maps off C9 than VES so uuuh. CST SUX
Yeah. But velocity got half of tl lol banned. Even banishing the prince of 'regularly watches all 5 leagues'
please explain
also i havent seen voy syndra work out yet
Okay so vileroze (A mid laner we all took the piss out of for his champion pool and performances) was switched to top so ecco could become their new mid. It was immediately met with mass "top lel", I can't remember who but someone proposed in vileroze's first top lane match vs CLG if VES win with vileroze top we get banned, loads of us took up the bet including neo. Unfortunately CLG proceeds to be CLG and runs double AD with irelia so vileroze 1v5s with randuins/thornmail/sunfire and we all get banned by moonbear
On March 24 2014 06:26 ParadeofMadness wrote: have we ever seen an insec ward kick in the nalcs? I feel not a single na jungler has the mechanics for it...
I'm sure its happened...its really not *all* that hard to do for the top level pros.
really do you have a link for it? im not talking about the flash kick, but the hardest kind where you jump to ward before q lands
I'm honestly trying to think of one, but I'm sure Xmithie/Meteos/Crumbz has done it at some point - though they might have all been flash kicks. You'd need someone with absolute encyclopedic memory to remember one.
Actually you started the bets after Vileroze started getting shat on in lane, and then Velocity held and he managed to farm himself back into relevance, then lategame scaling of all-physical comp happened. You don't even have the excuse to have betted without knowledge of the champ select.
On March 24 2014 06:24 wei2coolman wrote: Xdg confirmed for worse than velocity.
I'll have you know XDG's wins are equal to velocity and they've taken more maps off C9 than VES so uuuh. CST SUX
Yeah. But velocity got half of tl lol banned. Even banishing the prince of 'regularly watches all 5 leagues'
please explain
also i havent seen voy syndra work out yet
Okay so vileroze (A mid laner we all took the piss out of for his champion pool and performances) was switched to top so ecco could become their new mid. It was immediately met with mass "top lel", I can't remember who but someone proposed in vileroze's first top lane match vs CLG if VES win with vileroze top we get banned, loads of us took up the bet including neo. Unfortunately CLG proceeds to be CLG and runs double AD with irelia so vileroze 1v5s with randuins/thornmail/sunfire and we all get banned by moonbear
So basically even Zuna admits that they won the teamfight because he got a lucky ult, but then missed his zapper twice which would have let them chase and pick off another guy for the win. At least he knows what's up.
On March 24 2014 06:26 ParadeofMadness wrote: have we ever seen an insec ward kick in the nalcs? I feel not a single na jungler has the mechanics for it...
A bunch, even NK Inc and Crumbz did it last split and they aren't exactly renown for their Lee Sin mechanics.
I don't get why people hold up the ward kick as this "high mechanics" maneuver, I'm gold and I can do it. The reason you probably don't see it that often in NA is just because a number NA junglers don't play Lee, not really a mechanics thing.
Lemon got spotted by ward on his way to mid gank, turned around, and still didnt check for the pink. Although it can not even be anything other than a pink with Eve on their team.
Innox's champion pool is such a liability. I know Jayce is starting to see a resurgence but this entire season he's limited EG's ability to create good team comps. He's like the opposite of a team player.
On March 24 2014 08:02 Redox wrote: Lemon got spotted by ward on his way to mid gank, turned around, and still didnt check for the pink. Although it can not even be anything other than a pink with Eve on their team.
I never get why junglers dont always check that bush when they are near it. Its such an obvious spot and it is so often missed its mind boggling.
On March 24 2014 08:02 Redox wrote: Lemon got spotted by ward on his way to mid gank, turned around, and still didnt check for the pink. Although it can not even be anything other than a pink with Eve on their team.
I never got why junglers dont always check that bush when they are near it. Its such an obvious spot and it is so often missed its mind boggling.
It used to be really bad to go into that bush, so players are conditioned to avoid it.
On March 24 2014 08:02 Redox wrote: Lemon got spotted by ward on his way to mid gank, turned around, and still didnt check for the pink. Although it can not even be anything other than a pink with Eve on their team.
I never got why junglers dont always check that bush when they are near it. Its such an obvious spot and it is so often missed its mind boggling.
Yeah it should always be done. But in this case, it was so obvious, it might as well have been pinged for him. He walks past the pink brush, Hai reacts, Lemon turns around as he sees a ward spotted him. Still doesnt check.
On March 24 2014 08:02 Redox wrote: Lemon got spotted by ward on his way to mid gank, turned around, and still didnt check for the pink. Although it can not even be anything other than a pink with Eve on their team.
I never got why junglers dont always check that bush when they are near it. Its such an obvious spot and it is so often missed its mind boggling.
It used to be really bad to go into that bush, so players are conditioned to avoid it.
Thing is if you walk past that bush and they are in it your in the same trouble as when you face check it.
On March 24 2014 08:03 Swords wrote: Innox's champion pool is such a liability. I know Jayce is starting to see a resurgence but this entire season he's limited EG's ability to create good team comps. He's like the opposite of a team player.
every pro top laner right now should be able to play shyvana/renek
dunno how innox hasnt mastered at least 1 of them yet
Well he doesnt have much time to learn champions as he plays Aram all day.
On March 24 2014 08:03 Swords wrote: Innox's champion pool is such a liability. I know Jayce is starting to see a resurgence but this entire season he's limited EG's ability to create good team comps. He's like the opposite of a team player.
every pro top laner right now should be able to play shyvana/renek
dunno how innox hasnt mastered at least 1 of them yet
Well he doesnt have much time to learn champions as he plays Aram all day.
Explains why he can only play Gragas, Nidalee, and Jayce.
Looking at the standings, the top two spots look certain to belong to TSM & C9 (not necessarily in that order), CLG is a very safe bet for 3rd place, Curse & dig will probably take 4th and 5th (the order doesn't much matter because 4th and 5th play against each other in playoffs), and the bottom 3 are very close between Coast, EG and XDG:
*These bottom 3 teams will be huge underdogs against the top 3 teams in their coming games, but have fighting chances against the rest; in this respect, XDG's outlook is the grimmest, as 3/6 of their remaining games are against the top 3 teams, whereas only 2/6 of Coast and EG's remaining games are against the top 3 teams.
*At this point in time, Team Coast has a small but definitive lead for taking the 6th spot: It has two small advantages over EG from being 7-15 vs. 6-16 and from being 3-0 in head-to-head record, meaning Coast would win out in case of a tie; and Coast also has three small advantages over XDG from being 7-15 vs 6-16, from having more favorable matchups in their remaining games, and from their final head to head score being even or in Coast's favor when all is said and done.
*Because of the desire to avoid a certain Challenger team in relegation, all of the bottom 3 teams will desperately want to avoid finishing dead last. Because of what I outlined in the previous point, I think Coast is a lot less likely to finish 8th than EG and XDG are (though it could still happen, they are on a 6-game losing streak after all), and between EG and XDG, I'd give EG the slightest of edges for avoiding that dreaded last place finish.
As for the playoffs,
*TSM and C9 will get a bye into the semis and will be favored to win their respective semifinal games against whichever team they end up facing, *Curse should be favored over dig due to their head-to-head score (3-0 in favor of Curse), *CLG should be favored over Coast due to much stronger performance throughout the season and their head-to-head score (4-0 in favor of CLG), and *If they meet after losing their respective quarter-finals games, dig should be favored over Coast due to their head-to-head score (3-0 in favor of dig), leaving Coast, EG and XDG facing relegation, with whichever ends dead last very likely to lose their LCS spot.
On March 25 2014 05:38 Zato-1 wrote: Looking at the standings, the top two spots look certain to belong to TSM & C9 (not necessarily in that order), CLG is a very safe bet for 3rd place, Curse & dig will probably take 4th and 5th (the order doesn't much matter because 4th and 5th play against each other in playoffs), and the bottom 3 are very close between Coast, EG and XDG:
*These bottom 3 teams will be huge underdogs against the top 3 teams in their coming games, but have fighting chances against the rest; in this respect, XDG's outlook is the grimmest, as 3/6 of their remaining games are against the top 3 teams, whereas only 2/6 of Coast and EG's remaining games are against the top 3 teams.
*At this point in time, Team Coast has a small but definitive lead for taking the 6th spot: It two small advantages over EG from being 7-15 vs. 6-16 and from being 3-0 in head-to-head record, meaning Coast would win out in case of a tie; and Coast also has three small advantages over XDG from being 7-15 vs 6-16, from having more favorable matchups in their remaining games, and from their final head to head score being even or in Coast's favor when all is said and done.
*Because of the desire to avoid a certain Challenger team in relegation, all of the bottom 3 teams will desperately want to avoid finishing dead last. Because of what I outlined in the previous point, I think Coast is a lot less likely to finish 8th than EG and XDG are (though it could still happen, they are on a 6-game losing streak after all), and between EG and XDG, I'd give EG the slightest of edges for avoiding that dreaded last place finish.
As for the playoffs,
*TSM and C9 will get a bye into the semis, *Curse should be favored over dig due to their head-to-head score (3-0 in favor of Curse), *CLG should be favored over Coast due to much stronger performance throughout the season and their head-to-head score (4-0 in favor of CLG), and *If they meet after losing their respective quarter-finals games, dig should be favored over Coast due to their head-to-head score (3-0 in favor of dig), leaving Coast, EG and XDG facing relegation, with whichever ends dead last very likely to lose their LCS spot.
Being 5th is better because you can choose sides. As someone was joking last split - better to finish 6th like GGU and choose sides whole playoffs.
And about avoiding - who told you that LMQ (even if they finish first in Promotion Tournament) will choose 8th team? And i won't favour LMQ against C9T even at NACS #2 finals, not speaking about Promotions, not speaking about XDG/Coast and especially, EG, considering ability of those 3 teams to step up in playoffs/relegations. IMO all 3 teams are pretty safe, every LCS midlaner will smash XWX and even EG can camp bottom lane, C9T have Kez and you can just focus on Altec/Gleebglarbu if your sololanes can be on par or win with Bischu/Yazuki, CLB will choke again like it always happen, CLR will lose to CLB in semis, CA were awful yesterday, especially Pat and Duocek and vVv are just vVv. Will be funny if Cris come to LCS again haha but won't happen.
Curse will lose to Dignitas and then lose to Coast/XDG/EG, Cop will be benched again, Voyboy will step up as adc. Funniest part is that Curse can't even get someone from their B and C-teams because they look atrocious.
I'm quite interested to see CLG in boX series, considering level of preparations which Monte can bring and general flexibility of current roster. Everyone can win this split from C9/TSM/CLG trio, results will be based on players who will step up. Lemon, Xpecial and Aphromoo can win games in solo in good day, they will decide a lot.
Can't write off Dignitas right now tho, considering fact that they were close with C9 in last playoffs, when TSM got smashed in finals, but can't favour them against TSM/C9 in BoX, they're not Curse.
On March 25 2014 05:38 Zato-1 wrote: Looking at the standings, the top two spots look certain to belong to TSM & C9 (not necessarily in that order), CLG is a very safe bet for 3rd place, Curse & dig will probably take 4th and 5th (the order doesn't much matter because 4th and 5th play against each other in playoffs), and the bottom 3 are very close between Coast, EG and XDG:
*These bottom 3 teams will be huge underdogs against the top 3 teams in their coming games, but have fighting chances against the rest; in this respect, XDG's outlook is the grimmest, as 3/6 of their remaining games are against the top 3 teams, whereas only 2/6 of Coast and EG's remaining games are against the top 3 teams.
*At this point in time, Team Coast has a small but definitive lead for taking the 6th spot: It two small advantages over EG from being 7-15 vs. 6-16 and from being 3-0 in head-to-head record, meaning Coast would win out in case of a tie; and Coast also has three small advantages over XDG from being 7-15 vs 6-16, from having more favorable matchups in their remaining games, and from their final head to head score being even or in Coast's favor when all is said and done.
*Because of the desire to avoid a certain Challenger team in relegation, all of the bottom 3 teams will desperately want to avoid finishing dead last. Because of what I outlined in the previous point, I think Coast is a lot less likely to finish 8th than EG and XDG are (though it could still happen, they are on a 6-game losing streak after all), and between EG and XDG, I'd give EG the slightest of edges for avoiding that dreaded last place finish.
As for the playoffs,
*TSM and C9 will get a bye into the semis, *Curse should be favored over dig due to their head-to-head score (3-0 in favor of Curse), *CLG should be favored over Coast due to much stronger performance throughout the season and their head-to-head score (4-0 in favor of CLG), and *If they meet after losing their respective quarter-finals games, dig should be favored over Coast due to their head-to-head score (3-0 in favor of dig), leaving Coast, EG and XDG facing relegation, with whichever ends dead last very likely to lose their LCS spot.
Being 5th is better because you can choose sides. As someone was joking last split - better to finish 6th like GGU and choose sides whole playoffs.
And about avoiding - who told you that LMQ (even if they finish first in Promotion Tournament) will choose 8th team?
If I understand the promotion format correctly, it's the 6th team from LCS who picks their opponent from the Challenger teams, then the 7th place team picks their opponent from the two teams that are left, and the 8th place gets stuck vs. LMQ.
On March 25 2014 05:38 Zato-1 wrote: Looking at the standings, the top two spots look certain to belong to TSM & C9 (not necessarily in that order), CLG is a very safe bet for 3rd place, Curse & dig will probably take 4th and 5th (the order doesn't much matter because 4th and 5th play against each other in playoffs), and the bottom 3 are very close between Coast, EG and XDG:
*These bottom 3 teams will be huge underdogs against the top 3 teams in their coming games, but have fighting chances against the rest; in this respect, XDG's outlook is the grimmest, as 3/6 of their remaining games are against the top 3 teams, whereas only 2/6 of Coast and EG's remaining games are against the top 3 teams.
*At this point in time, Team Coast has a small but definitive lead for taking the 6th spot: It two small advantages over EG from being 7-15 vs. 6-16 and from being 3-0 in head-to-head record, meaning Coast would win out in case of a tie; and Coast also has three small advantages over XDG from being 7-15 vs 6-16, from having more favorable matchups in their remaining games, and from their final head to head score being even or in Coast's favor when all is said and done.
*Because of the desire to avoid a certain Challenger team in relegation, all of the bottom 3 teams will desperately want to avoid finishing dead last. Because of what I outlined in the previous point, I think Coast is a lot less likely to finish 8th than EG and XDG are (though it could still happen, they are on a 6-game losing streak after all), and between EG and XDG, I'd give EG the slightest of edges for avoiding that dreaded last place finish.
As for the playoffs,
*TSM and C9 will get a bye into the semis, *Curse should be favored over dig due to their head-to-head score (3-0 in favor of Curse), *CLG should be favored over Coast due to much stronger performance throughout the season and their head-to-head score (4-0 in favor of CLG), and *If they meet after losing their respective quarter-finals games, dig should be favored over Coast due to their head-to-head score (3-0 in favor of dig), leaving Coast, EG and XDG facing relegation, with whichever ends dead last very likely to lose their LCS spot.
Being 5th is better because you can choose sides. As someone was joking last split - better to finish 6th like GGU and choose sides whole playoffs.
And about avoiding - who told you that LMQ (even if they finish first in Promotion Tournament) will choose 8th team?
If I understand the promotion format correctly, it's the 6th team from LCS who picks their opponent from the Challenger teams, then the 7th place team picks their opponent from the two teams that are left, and the 8th place gets stuck vs. LMQ.
Ye, i forgot about it. But anyway teams have to think about their strengths more than about name of team against.
Coast have good sololaners, derp jungle and mediocre bottom lane. If they choose from CLB, C9T and LMQ who will they choose? Rightly so, CLB, because they can just smash sololaners and it will be same story for CLB like it was against EG few months ago. XDG have decent soloes, mediocre bottom lane and smart jungle. Will they choose LMQ or C9T? Noone knows, but i prefer them to choose LMQ and just abuse XWX considering fact that Zuna/Sheep will be in 2v1 situations. Or will they abuse Kez atrocious play by letting soloes be 1v1 and camp Altec/Gleebgarbu? Who knows. Will EG suck against LMQ? Noone knows as well. Pobelter won't lose to XWX in 99/100 situations, they can 2v1 as well and Snoopeh always steps up in playoffs for unknown reasons, so it's 50/50 as best for LMQ.
If Coast go with NiP path tho and choose Cloud 9 Tempest like NiP did with KMT - they will lose this time. Bischu and Yazuki won't lose a lot of ground if lose at all, and this time C9T bottom lane won't look as useless as last time and it was 3-2 even with TWZ playing 2,5v5 in lost games.
But it will be fun if Coast face C9T and EG face CLB, can challengers get their revenge or no.
On March 25 2014 07:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: do people honestly think LMQ won't steamroller everyone on their way into LCS in games that actually matter lol. The delusion is unreal.
I would say after Quantic people are more cautious.
On March 25 2014 08:06 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Ye, we saw how our Chinese overlords showed up on IEM. GG LMQ, let's hide already. 3-0, 28-0, 3-0, C9 will cry.
On March 25 2014 08:06 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Ye, we saw how our Chinese overlords showed up on IEM. GG LMQ, let's hide already. 3-0, 28-0, 3-0, C9 will cry.
You mean two washed up teams that were patches behind and clearly didn't know how to play against Morgana with patched spelltheif?
EPT
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