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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 |
On September 24 2013 07:13 Mafe wrote:
I just stumbled over this, so just 2 simple questions from a dota-2-player perspective: This is supposed to be the equivalent to the International? And really, those teams that were seeded get "rewarded" by travelling around the world just to have the chance to be eliminated after 2 games?
As someone who likes LoL way more than DotA: it's not equivalent. TI3 was 100x better run than this crappy tournament.
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On September 24 2013 07:13 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:11 Artok wrote:On September 24 2013 07:10 Swords wrote:On September 24 2013 07:08 Shikyo wrote:On September 24 2013 07:07 MoonBear wrote:On September 24 2013 07:07 ptbl wrote:
I was told that cloud9 was the best team in NA. After watching this series with fnatic, it seems NA is in deep trouble in terms of talent and skill compared to europe and asia.
Maybe, NA team should travel to korea and train? Seems like it helps with sc2 players like scarlett and naniwa. Game 3 doesn't mean much though since that double kill at lvl 1 was so brutal. Level 1 doesn't somehow escape the scape of the game, it's not just luck and doesn't just "happen". Of course it counts fully. I just don't get why people are so focused on this game 3 thing. Fnatic did the exact same thing against Vulcun and lost horribly. Zuna beat them because of a bad level 1 - that's how much it puts you behind. how can you even compare those, holy shit na pls. What are you even trying to say? Fnatic is the better team. I'm just saying a shit level 1 can easily ruin a game. Your EU epeen is intact, don't worry buddy.
eupeen?
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On September 24 2013 07:14 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:12 Doctorbeat wrote:
Time for Expression to farm me some fantasy points. It's Exp ession btw, I doubt even the casters except for Monte are going to get that right 
I still say Expression even though I know it's wrong lol.
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Also, I'm sure Balls gave 3rd blood, because of Cyanide being 2-0, and that's why he didn't care that he actually revealed lee Sin in the bush. Jeez.
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I don't have any hopes for Gambit, they looked horrible in the group stage.
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Man, I'm sad Cloud 9 lost 
They put up a really strong fight against Fnatic though. It's sad that their level 1 is still iffy. In games 1 and 3 their level 1 was a little off. On the other hand, I'm glad they went 1-2 and not 0-2 and that the series was really close until the end. There were many good points such as Meteos pretty much Smiting everything, and Balls on Rumble is always a pleasure (I love Rumble).
On the otherhand, Fnatic is now my team to cheer for! For me this tournament is C9 > Fnatic > OMG > NJBS in terms of favorite team and I'm glad that unless Royal makes it to the finals, there will always be someone for me to cheer for on the bottom side of the bracket.
Gogo fnatic!
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On September 24 2013 07:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:10 Swords wrote:On September 24 2013 07:08 Shikyo wrote:On September 24 2013 07:07 MoonBear wrote:On September 24 2013 07:07 ptbl wrote:
I was told that cloud9 was the best team in NA. After watching this series with fnatic, it seems NA is in deep trouble in terms of talent and skill compared to europe and asia.
Maybe, NA team should travel to korea and train? Seems like it helps with sc2 players like scarlett and naniwa. Game 3 doesn't mean much though since that double kill at lvl 1 was so brutal. Level 1 doesn't somehow escape the scape of the game, it's not just luck and doesn't just "happen". Of course it counts fully. I just don't get why people are so focused on this game 3 thing. Fnatic did the exact same thing against Vulcun and lost horribly. Zuna beat them because of a bad level 1 - that's how much it puts you behind. Exactly this. If you want to say Fnatic legitimately outplayed C9 that game and that it wasn't based around the level 1 then you have to accept the fact that Fnatic lost to Vulcan. Yes, the same vulcan that lost a 6k gold lead against Gambit at 20 minutes.
I'm not sure what you've been reading but I for one haven't seen people saying that Fnatic is undefeated in this tournament
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On September 24 2013 07:11 Kiett wrote:
"America, getting fucked by Bushes since 2000."
best reddit comment ever
Classic.
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On September 24 2013 07:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:08 Kuja900 wrote:
Letting kass and shen through twice is so rediculous. C9 is known for their well thought out pick/ban phases too, faillll. and as i've always said, it's really easy to look good when it's really just your opponents are really bad c9 drafts is nothing speical, just like how sneaky isnt some "god tier ad" that can magically do more with less farm they were just shitstomping bads. that's it. then their pubstomp style falls apart to real teams.
I wouldn't say c9 fell apart. It was a pretty tight series. Poor vision control and level 1 choking is the story here I think :|.
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lollll Fnatic raped that series and they play a clip of C9 winning a fight
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On September 24 2013 07:15 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:13 Mafe wrote:
I just stumbled over this, so just 2 simple questions from a dota-2-player perspective: This is supposed to be the equivalent to the International? And really, those teams that were seeded get "rewarded" by travelling around the world just to have the chance to be eliminated after 2 games? As someone who likes LoL way more than DotA: it's not equivalent. TI3 was 100x better run than this crappy tournament.
TI3 had better tournament style (RR + Winner/loser bracket? Yes pls). Multiple streams for the ability to process more games. No silly seeding from pre-tournament results.
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On September 24 2013 07:10 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:09 Seuss wrote:On September 24 2013 07:08 las91 wrote:On September 24 2013 07:06 Slusher wrote:to be honest for how early Fizz got first blood his game impact just was not that crazy, I think Hai and Lemon both got exposed today. After how badly they beat down all the other NA teams this isn't a good look for NA Honestly I'm disappointed in the 1. Map control/vision/warding and 2. Mid lane/jungle players from NA. All worlds has taught me is that if I want to make a name for myself in NA I should be a crazy aggro jungler who ganks a lot and makes plays because literally every NA team needs that right now. Meteos was fine. He was honestly one of the few redeeming features of C9 in games 1 and 3. 1 jungler out of 8 in the region's LCS was "redeeming". Not fantastic, not amazing, not a playmaker, but "redeeming". My point stands.
You're reading too much into the word "redeeming". Meteos did his job and then some. C9 was just too heavy.
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On September 24 2013 07:15 Volband wrote:
Also, I'm sure Balls gave 3rd blood, because of Cyanide being 2-0, and that's why he didn't care that he actually revealed lee Sin in the bush. Jeez.
sounds like you're just spouting out bs now as far as i can tell
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On September 24 2013 07:12 Doctorbeat wrote:
Time for Expression to farm me some fantasy points.
Expession pls
OT: NA's lack of strategic depth really hurt them I think. You can only do so much as C9 when you practice against teams with no plans/coordination beyond the early midgame.
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On September 24 2013 07:16 Woony wrote:
lollll Fnatic raped that series and they play a clip of C9 winning a fight
They should play that where Puszu is 100-0'd by Hai and Meteos, that was beautifully disgusting.
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On September 24 2013 07:15 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:13 Mafe wrote:
I just stumbled over this, so just 2 simple questions from a dota-2-player perspective: This is supposed to be the equivalent to the International? And really, those teams that were seeded get "rewarded" by travelling around the world just to have the chance to be eliminated after 2 games? As someone who likes LoL way more than DotA: it's not equivalent. TI3 was 100x better run than this crappy tournament.
Riot's always been super stubborn and stupid about their esports policies. This year is no different.
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On September 24 2013 07:12 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:12 Woony wrote:On September 24 2013 07:11 Hesmyrr wrote:
Well time to see how NJS fares. Their current skill level is complete mystery to me so should be interesting. Everyone that has scrimmed them before worlds has hyped them. They went 10-0 against IG reportedly. I can't remember, is IG at worlds?
I know that this is some kind of a dig but after OMG's performance in groups dismissing iG like that is pretty nuts. iG is damn good and the fact that they aren't at worlds should be evidence to how strong China's scene is.
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And showing a bad fnatic teamfight as analysis lol.....
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On September 24 2013 07:16 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:15 Slow Motion wrote:On September 24 2013 07:13 Mafe wrote:
I just stumbled over this, so just 2 simple questions from a dota-2-player perspective: This is supposed to be the equivalent to the International? And really, those teams that were seeded get "rewarded" by travelling around the world just to have the chance to be eliminated after 2 games? As someone who likes LoL way more than DotA: it's not equivalent. TI3 was 100x better run than this crappy tournament. TI3 had better tournament style (RR + Winner/loser bracket? Yes pls). Multiple streams for the ability to process more games. No silly seeding from pre-tournament results.
Really hope Riot learns. They must have done something right to get this big so hopefully they adapt for S4.
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On September 24 2013 07:10 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:07 .maLice. wrote:On September 24 2013 07:05 Artok wrote:On September 24 2013 07:02 .maLice. wrote:On September 24 2013 07:00 Volband wrote:On September 24 2013 06:58 Dan HH wrote:
Trash-talk aside, C9 has some real potential once they get more international experience they may become a force Yep, but anyone who thinks they'd have a chance - after witnessing these 3 games - in a BoX, is delusional. How do you figure? The first game was quite close, the second game they won, and the third was lost to lvl 1 double kill. I guess I'll go sit in my delusional little corner you awesome european, you. lol lost to double kill lee that failed invade after, no wonder usa is so shit in lol if you actually think like that :O You're funny, but I'm not quite sure that it is intentional. that seems like a solid argument, as good as finding retarded excuses for every na loss :O
When did I come up with an excuse as to why NA lost? Fuck man. You're making shit up now. Clearly Fnatic is the better team.. they WON. Not to mention there's no shame in losing to the #1 team from group B who also 2-0'd SSO. All I have said so far is that the series itself (2-1) was pretty damn close until game 3.
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