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Two things as public notice:
1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +
Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum.


2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future.

I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat.
Enjoy the games~

-Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
September 23 2013 22:10 GMT
#2341
On September 24 2013 07:07 .maLice. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:05 Artok wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:02 .maLice. wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:00 Volband wrote:
On September 24 2013 06:58 Dan HH wrote:
Trash-talk aside, C9 has some real potential once they get more international experience they may become a force

Yep, but anyone who thinks they'd have a chance - after witnessing these 3 games - in a BoX, is delusional.


How do you figure? The first game was quite close, the second game they won, and the third was lost to lvl 1 double kill. I guess I'll go sit in my delusional little corner you awesome european, you.

lol lost to double kill lee that failed invade after, no wonder usa is so shit in lol if you actually think like that :O


You're funny, but I'm not quite sure that it is intentional.

that seems like a solid argument, as good as finding retarded excuses for every na loss :O
Chun-li since ST
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
September 23 2013 22:10 GMT
#2342
On September 24 2013 07:09 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:08 las91 wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:06 Slusher wrote:
to be honest for how early Fizz got first blood his game impact just was not that crazy, I think Hai and Lemon both got exposed today.

After how badly they beat down all the other NA teams this isn't a good look for NA


Honestly I'm disappointed in the 1. Map control/vision/warding and 2. Mid lane/jungle players from NA. All worlds has taught me is that if I want to make a name for myself in NA I should be a crazy aggro jungler who ganks a lot and makes plays because literally every NA team needs that right now.


Meteos was fine. He was honestly one of the few redeeming features of C9 in games 1 and 3.


1 jungler out of 8 in the region's LCS was "redeeming". Not fantastic, not amazing, not a playmaker, but "redeeming". My point stands.
In Inca we trust
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 22:12:41
September 23 2013 22:10 GMT
#2343
On September 24 2013 07:08 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:07 ptbl wrote:
I was told that cloud9 was the best team in NA. After watching this series with fnatic, it seems NA is in deep trouble in terms of talent and skill compared to europe and asia.

Maybe, NA team should travel to korea and train? Seems like it helps with sc2 players like scarlett and naniwa.



Does not work

lookup CLG

That was quite a long time ago though. And I believe CLG.eu went on to do pretty damn well in the EU scene after that.

NA teams aren't as terrible as people make them out to be. They're behind, yes, but they can potentially take games off of EU/KR/CN and have a chance to catch up.

I'll be honest, I think Meteos is a very good jungler, but I don't think his playstyle is optimal for this meta. C9 gives Meteos way too much farm and while that is fine and helps Meteos dominate the NA scene, it just doesn't work out well when playing against more experienced teams. Maybe if carry junglers are super popular Meteos can translate his farm-heavy style into international success, but the current jungle meta just doesn't really support his playstyle.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
September 23 2013 22:10 GMT
#2344
On September 24 2013 07:08 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:07 MoonBear wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:07 ptbl wrote:
I was told that cloud9 was the best team in NA. After watching this series with fnatic, it seems NA is in deep trouble in terms of talent and skill compared to europe and asia.

Maybe, NA team should travel to korea and train? Seems like it helps with sc2 players like scarlett and naniwa.

Game 3 doesn't mean much though since that double kill at lvl 1 was so brutal.

Level 1 doesn't somehow escape the scape of the game, it's not just luck and doesn't just "happen". Of course it counts fully.


I just don't get why people are so focused on this game 3 thing. Fnatic did the exact same thing against Vulcun and lost horribly.

Zuna beat them because of a bad level 1 - that's how much it puts you behind.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
September 23 2013 22:10 GMT
#2345
Oh wait, NJS vs Gambit is tonight? For some reason i thought it wasn't til tomorrow evening...

There goes another sleeping schedule fucked
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9138 Posts
September 23 2013 22:10 GMT
#2346
On September 24 2013 07:08 Paljas wrote:
can someone explain this format?
why were some teams seeded into Ro8?

Because they're afraid KR/China may dominate and it's possible that no western teams would make it out of the group stage. Riot logic.

BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
September 23 2013 22:10 GMT
#2347
The deciding factor of NA vs EU was the groups stages not C9 vs Fnatic because even if C9 had won EU would still be considered a stronger region. Really exciting games even with the brutal lvl 1 catches in game 3. C9 should have banned Kass over Ori since Hai could not shut down xPeke's Kassadin.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2348
NA is definitely the weakest region, but I think C9 is good enough to be competitive on the world stage. It's too bad there are no international tournaments other than worlds.
Zero fighting.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2349
On September 24 2013 07:08 Swords wrote:
As an unbiased observer, I just want to say fnatic was the better team. When they didn't do stupid shit like pick TF into a Fizz they just played better. Stronger lanes, and stronger map control with vision.


This should be highlighted more. Hai and Balls can have glimpses of brilliance but they just aren't as good at lane phase as xPeke and soAZ.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2350
Best comment on Reddit: "America, getting fucked by Bushes since 2000."
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2351
"America, getting fucked by Bushes since 2000."

best reddit comment ever
Writer:o
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2352
On September 24 2013 07:10 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:08 Shikyo wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:07 MoonBear wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:07 ptbl wrote:
I was told that cloud9 was the best team in NA. After watching this series with fnatic, it seems NA is in deep trouble in terms of talent and skill compared to europe and asia.

Maybe, NA team should travel to korea and train? Seems like it helps with sc2 players like scarlett and naniwa.

Game 3 doesn't mean much though since that double kill at lvl 1 was so brutal.

Level 1 doesn't somehow escape the scape of the game, it's not just luck and doesn't just "happen". Of course it counts fully.


I just don't get why people are so focused on this game 3 thing. Fnatic did the exact same thing against Vulcun and lost horribly.

Zuna beat them because of a bad level 1 - that's how much it puts you behind.

how can you even compare those, holy shit na pls.
Chun-li since ST
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 22:12:23
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2353
On September 24 2013 07:09 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:05 Shiznick wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:02 las91 wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:00 Volband wrote:
On September 24 2013 06:58 Dan HH wrote:
Trash-talk aside, C9 has some real potential once they get more international experience they may become a force

Yep, but anyone who thinks they'd have a chance - after witnessing these 3 games - in a BoX, is delusional.

Sure, if C9 doesn't improve at all. No faith lol.


Nah Volband's been hating on NA all tournament. Nothing new to see here folks, move along.

In other news, I'm pissed my schedule only let me see this last game. How were games 1 and 2?

He's been hating on NA all Summer Split imo. #1 NA hater.

Game 1 was Kassadin/Lissandra combo wrecking an immobile C9 comp. Game 2 was Balls Rumble.

Game 3 was just an example of why C9 needs to improve their Level 1. Silliness.

game 3 was an example why you never buy mana manipulator as support

Eh, Mana Manipulator wouldn't have saved him. Leona dominates the matchup if she gets ahead regardless, and both Corki and Zyra are fairly mana intensive.

It's a bad buy, but the loss was for other reasons.

??? Mana manipulator is the same cost as 4 wards, or 2 vision wards. Vision wins games, and most importantly can turn games around. The game wasn't won in lane, it was won when c9 got caught over and over and over because no vision.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2354
Well time to see how NJS fares. Their current skill level is complete mystery to me so should be interesting.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2355
On September 24 2013 07:10 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:08 PaleMan wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:07 ptbl wrote:
I was told that cloud9 was the best team in NA. After watching this series with fnatic, it seems NA is in deep trouble in terms of talent and skill compared to europe and asia.

Maybe, NA team should travel to korea and train? Seems like it helps with sc2 players like scarlett and naniwa.



Does not work

lookup CLG

That was quite a long time ago though. And I believe CLG.eu went on to do pretty damn well in the EU scene after that.

NA teams aren't as terrible as people make them out to be. They're behind, yes, but they can potentially take games off of EU/KR/CN and have a chance to catch up.



that was my whole point CLG.eu can learn, CLG.na can't

GG Murica
Pure fan
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2356
On September 24 2013 07:09 Shiznick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:08 Kuja900 wrote:
Letting kass and shen through twice is so rediculous. C9 is known for their well thought out pick/ban phases too, faillll.

protip, you only have 3 bans as one side.

And you rather have Peke on Kass than Orianna ,especially after your "counter" pretty much failed in game 1. Okay, well... ugh... let's blame lvl 1 I guess, or something.

The truth is, Fnatic was in charge of all the 3 draftings, but they were too cocky in the second one, they paid for it - and they deserved it, for udnerestimating C9.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2357
On September 24 2013 07:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:08 Kuja900 wrote:
Letting kass and shen through twice is so rediculous. C9 is known for their well thought out pick/ban phases too, faillll.


and as i've always said, it's really easy to look good when it's really just your opponents are really bad

c9 drafts is nothing speical, just like how sneaky isnt some "god tier ad" that can magically do more with less farm

they were just shitstomping bads. that's it. then their pubstomp style falls apart to real teams.

C9 definitely shoulda started using games as an opportunity to increase their champ pool like 3 weeks into the season :\
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1947 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2358
Really disappointed with Cyanide though, with those 700 gold, he should have been a monster. Instead, he was always weaker then Meteos although not having that much more impact after those 2 kills.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2359
On September 24 2013 07:11 Kiett wrote:
"America, getting fucked by Bushes since 2000."

best reddit comment ever


Wow. That's a good one.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
lega
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada290 Posts
September 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#2360
On September 24 2013 07:09 TitusVI wrote:
Fanatic won but at what cost?

a flow of kassadins on soloq, wth
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