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On September 23 2013 00:29 meowmasta85 wrote: There's no announcement for the next round of games yet, so I looked on lol.gamepedia. Are the C9 vs Fnatic and NJBS vs Gambit games today?
You should always check http://na.lolesports.com/ for that. It's being updated pretty quickly usually. Next games start in about 27 hours,
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lol i didn't even wanna imply that fnatic>>>>>c9 with the initial statement, I was just surprised with most of the predictions coming in that the majority of them thought C9>Fnatic although fnatic has been on fire the whole groupstage stomping every game but the first one.
Personally I think that they are pretty evenly matched and it should be a great match, and either side should be prepared that the winning continent will ride their e-peen for pretty long so both of us should be prepared mentally for TROLOLOL EU>>NA (vice versa) depending on the outcome of ths match
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On September 22 2013 20:28 baekgom84 wrote: I'm still annoyed with this format - should be more teams (20 at least), no quarter-final byes, and Bo5 finals - but I doubt Riot will do much to change it. With the byes, and the way the groups are stacked, Riot can almost guarantee that at least two Western teams will make it through to the finals; they were even lucky enough to get three, with the sucky performance of Ozone, and now we'll also have at least one Western team in the semi-final. I don't mean to look down on the Western teams (I think Fnatic are superb and as a Sword fan I'm really worried about Gambit, don't know as much about C9 though) but Riot must be constantly worried about structuring a world championship where Asian teams dominate. There was an awful lot of whining at IEM Worlds where three out of the four semi-finalists were Korean and we had an all-Korean final, lots of comments like, 'I stopped watching SC2 because of this Korean dominance bullshit'.
For the same reason, I think this is why there are now no international tournaments scattered throughout the calendar - not giving the teams a chance to experience different metas increases the chance of upsets. Although, to be fair, I'm not sure whether Riot specifically is preventing these sorts of competitions, or if it's for some other reason that they're no longer happening.
Or is it just a case of me needing to remove my tinfoil hat? Riot priorities are: 1. please the casuals 2. host a competent international tournament. These two will never work together, but sadly, I don't see Riot changing their minds. Look how they shamelessly crafted such a tournament format and qualification process (yet again!!!) that would drive anyone mad who can comprehend that this is supposed to be an e-sports World Championship.
You'd think next year they'll learn from it, but from what exactly? That you can shove off anything on the throats of the majority of the TSM fans? Just that TSM vs GGEU game alone... if someone did not know the teams, only the circumstances (a chance to play for 15k $ more and settle the score with the supposedly #2 team from Europe), they would think this is some kind of a joke tournament, because who trolls away from that? That's one thing if they don't care about the money (maybe they want us to know people starve in Africa or sth), but to not want to prove to your fans or at least to yourself that you are better than another strong team, especially if you might have to wait 1 more year again to have a chance like that again... just wow. Someone said in professional sports you rest your all star players, which is true, but it has nothing to do with that game, lol - it was like a semifinal for TSM, and they didn't rest their all star players, just sent them out naked with a big red clown nose. Yet, many people went crazy cuz teemo and shit. OMG is a whole different story: they were already qualified, their game meant nothing to them and their comp only looked trolly to us, but it actually made sense, and they made it work. If anything, they showed their versatility. People calling that disrespect and troll are delusional - even Mineski and Fnatic weren't trolling. Sure, they took it lightly, which is expected, but Cyanide picking Lee, Peke being mage-hunter, even the top-support change is something Fnatic did seriously many time during EU LCS, and Mineski's comp was totally legit, and maybe it was a homage to their brethren who couldn't attend the tournament. I'm all for some fun, especially if your game has 00000000000000000000 impact whatsoever, but you can't compare a quality stand-up comedy to a guy who pees in the middle of the street, then laughs while pointing at his piss.
The only thing the casual fans will cry about on the Riot forums are Mineski and GGEU, because they didn't feel Riot is rubbing their belly softly enough during their games. It's just disappointing, that Riot has sooooooo much in their hands, but they are afraid.
And the funniest thing? My casual self wanted to see more from the supposedly 4 best teams right now (the ones who got the byes, yes, I know they are not really the 4 best ones), but there's a good chance I'll only see TWO games from them. How the hell do you host a tournament with the casual majority in mind, but even fail in that regard? I was genuenly interesting how well would C9 fare againts international teams, because they were such a unique experience, but they got trapped by e-sports hell (NA LCS). I never seen Gamania Bears and as I read others opinions, they are the worst from that 4, but still, I'd like to see them. Oh, and Royal... I watched soooo many Royal games, especially vs international teams! ... NOT.
Riot is not completely off the track, I can see why they wouldn't want an all-asian (especially not all Korean) dominance, just look where Blizzard's not caring led them: Korean players in European and North American regionals, lol... talking about overkill. But it could've been done in a much more competitive and entertaining way.
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I mean you know the reason its a good matchup is that both sides have good arguments for their side C9 - 30-3 in NA, clearly a level above the rest of the teams fnatic - experienced, crushed group stages, clearly playing well
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Because obviously the best team vs the best team is the best way to determine overall region power!Dat #3 a lot more prestigious than #4.
Also I find it kind of funny that vulcun being competetive somehow means c9 will crush when vulcun could easily have been 3/1 in regular season vs them......
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I don't get how having gg.eu and mineski in worlds is pleasing casuals... They literally have no fan base....
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Mh at least Mineski qualified through their region fair and square. The whole wildcard thing was screwed up obviously. Not enough novelty value from GG.eu to get them fans... should really have been a Brazilian or Turkish team.
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brazilian streams seem to get like 25k viewers. should definitely get a brazilian team there next year
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Their regional finals (the Brazilian stream, so portugese language) got well over 100k if I recall correctly. Was really cool.
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Damn that Chinese team kill, too bad for China :/ Fnatic vs C9.. This is going to be exciting !!! And a perfect time for Europeans to watch. Bear vs SKTT1, I have no idea how good they are since I don't watch Taiwanese league, I hope they won't disappoint
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On September 23 2013 01:36 Lylat wrote:Damn that Chinese team kill, too bad for China :/ Fnatic vs C9.. This is going to be exciting !!! And a perfect time for Europeans to watch. Bear vs SKTT1, I have no idea how good they are since I don't watch Taiwanese league, I hope they won't disappoint 
It's the only region that has to play itself in the Quarterfinals....what a joke to knock out one so early. :[
Democracy is oppressing the comrades.
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There are some positives to it though ... the chance of one region having two teams in the Grand Finals is almost 0 now. The only possibility would be both Fnatic and Gambit beating everyone on their way and having an EU only finals, which seems somewhat unlikely. That's literally the only way.
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On September 23 2013 01:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:36 Lylat wrote:Damn that Chinese team kill, too bad for China :/ Fnatic vs C9.. This is going to be exciting !!! And a perfect time for Europeans to watch. Bear vs SKTT1, I have no idea how good they are since I don't watch Taiwanese league, I hope they won't disappoint  It's the only region that has to play itself in the Quarterfinals....what a joke to knock out one so early. :[ Democracy is oppressing the comrades.
Only get 2 slots at world finals. Have to knock each other out at QF.
For a company owned by a Chinese company they sure do hate the Chinese.
edit: I forgot they patched just before worlds where China always gets patches late.
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wildcard tournament was hand made for a brasilian team to qualify for worlds but then they had to lose to fucking gaming gear eu...
I think fnatic wins over c9. c9 has a playstyle that is very good at just exploiting mistakes, and it works great it NA LCS where even such a basic as "correctly time dragon spawn timer and be ready for it" is something 3/4 of the teams fail at. Meteos is regarded as the god super efficiency jungler that only ganks when there's a kill and gets super farmed. well that playstyle is just super good at winning against bad teams where your lanes don't lose and give you the space to do so. It is also the playstyle fromlast year so no1's gonna be suprised by it.
My prediction is Xpeke pressures Hai hardcore, Meteos come help him but only manage to make the lane equal Cyanide camps toplane hardcore early and make it snowball in favor of Soaz Botlane wins on their own gradually by playing super aro early, chunking them and getting a jungler/4 man dive at around lvl 6 (when cyanide gets tired of fucking with balls basically)
If there's a lane swap jungler goes to 3v1 dive/take tower early, hai gets fucked by xpeke and meteos while meteos jerks off in the jungle/go soak up the exp from his losing lanes. c9 fails to take their 2v1 turret and get snowballed into fnatic's pace.
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It's odd to me that just because the analysts have been saying how C9 have been playing the past couple weeks before worlds everyone forgets why they got so many wins early. Their mid-game rotations and aggressive dives for objectives that punished under or slow rotations from the other team was why they took so many games in NA.
We'll see, but I think there is no way Fnatic will crush them as everyone is saying. Keep in mind Meteos has the highest KDA in NA LCS, he may farm a lot but he's also where he needs to be when he needs to be there.
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I think calling out Hai as c9's weakest laner is probly accurate but at the same time, xPeke dosen't usually take his advantages through lane, but rather good map presence and clean-up, which is similar to Hai (he ganks more often than Meteos lol)
I feel like the actual 1v1 between these two will be almost nonexistent, but we will see.
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On September 23 2013 01:44 UmberBane wrote:There are some positives to it though  ... the chance of one region having two teams in the Grand Finals is almost 0 now. The only possibility would be both Fnatic and Gambit beating everyone on their way and having an EU only finals, which seems somewhat unlikely. That's literally the only way.
.......I would gladly take that over the two Chinese teams having to knock one out so early. I think if a region is good enough to sweep the finals, then that's great, and I mean that for any region, even EU or NA.
At this rate....I guess I'll hope for a China versus whoever final then. I think regardless who comes out of the other quarterfinal, C9/Fnatic, there's no way I'm taking either of those teams over OMG/Royal.
On September 23 2013 01:45 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On September 23 2013 01:36 Lylat wrote:Damn that Chinese team kill, too bad for China :/ Fnatic vs C9.. This is going to be exciting !!! And a perfect time for Europeans to watch. Bear vs SKTT1, I have no idea how good they are since I don't watch Taiwanese league, I hope they won't disappoint  It's the only region that has to play itself in the Quarterfinals....what a joke to knock out one so early. :[ Democracy is oppressing the comrades. Only get 2 slots at world finals. Have to knock each other out at QF. For a company owned by a Chinese company they sure do hate the Chinese. edit: I forgot they patched just before worlds where China always gets patches late.
Yeah wtf? :[
Riot pls
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guys vulcun beat fnatic, c9 will win 2-0 ezpez
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On September 23 2013 01:59 heartlxp wrote: guys vulcun beat fnatic, c9 will win 2-0 ezpez didnt vulcun beat c9 too l0l
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