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On March 04 2013 07:26 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:18 ZeromuS wrote:
It seems to me as a casual lol viewer that the more assassin type players you have the more likely you are to win? In this meta anyway Not really. I'm not sure what games you watched to think that. AP Nidalee comps have been winning strong this weekend too. We had Xerath wins too, with siegeing ranged comps.
Semi tanky hard dive comps have been doing best, as shown by the top junglers currently being Xin/Vi/J4 and Diana and Kass being prevalent.
I consider Kass semi tanky because of the RoA core and his extra MR.
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unkillable comps work too, assassin only is certainly not the meta.
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On March 04 2013 07:27 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:it's starting again, the EG curse tainting the glory of our beloved team once known as clg.eu Seems like being on EG forces you to have social media presence even if you just got stomped and Froggen joining the public blamefest after Krepo on Friday Froggen @EGFroggen
Pathetic people not even paying attention to voicecom WOW, that's a bit over the line. They can shout at each other between the 4 walls as much as they want, and to be honest they should as well, but bringing it to the public. This won't end well.
It's not good when that happens for sure. I can understand his frustrations though, he basically sat in mid lane and watched his team implode over and over and over. He actually ended the game without dieing or really stepping out of position.
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He totally went rage-mode on his twitter, doesn't even care about spelling or anything.
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On March 04 2013 07:29 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:27 Volband wrote:On March 04 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:it's starting again, the EG curse tainting the glory of our beloved team once known as clg.eu Seems like being on EG forces you to have social media presence even if you just got stomped and Froggen joining the public blamefest after Krepo on Friday Froggen @EGFroggen
Pathetic people not even paying attention to voicecom WOW, that's a bit over the line. They can shout at each other between the 4 walls as much as they want, and to be honest they should as well, but bringing it to the public. This won't end well. It's not good when that happens for sure. I can understand his frustrations though, he basically sat in mid lane and watched his team implode over and over and over. He actually ended the game without dieing or really stepping out of position.
I think the blame is mainly on him, kassa made plays and he didn't kill his tower early enough or made effective ganks. He was almost all the time afk farming mid.
It also comes down to the champion selection, they should have gone for something else. Anivia gets pressured by kass and can't follow his ganks, just don't pick her and i'm sure it was froggen who asked for anivia.
I think this week showed that Froggen champion's pool isn't big enough. He can play a lot of them but he's playing them with the anivia mindset. Remember his nida, always killing creeps with his spears in mid and not ganking, the same with tf, 0 agressive ulty. For me the main problem is Froggen, he's too predictable and plays way too defensive/turtle/farm.
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Froggen and DL now duking it out.
Yiliang Peng @CLGDoublelift
I think it's strange that EU mids have so much pride they won't swap with their bot lane to crush Kassadin
Froggen @EGFroggen
@CLGDoublelift I played enough against kassadins to crush them. Problem is people not commumicating
Yiliang Peng @CLGDoublelift
@EGFroggen maybe you're an exception to that rule because you somehow FB countermatchups
Froggen @EGFroggen
@CLGDoublelift no reason to make a pasdive aggresion comment
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On March 04 2013 07:28 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:26 Klive5ive wrote:On March 04 2013 07:18 ZeromuS wrote:
It seems to me as a casual lol viewer that the more assassin type players you have the more likely you are to win? In this meta anyway Not really. I'm not sure what games you watched to think that. AP Nidalee comps have been winning strong this weekend too. We had Xerath wins too, with siegeing ranged comps. Semi tanky hard dive comps have been doing best, as shown by the top junglers currently being Xin/Vi/J4 and Diana and Kass being prevalent. I consider Kass semi tanky because of the RoA core and his extra MR.
I think you're just cherry picking. The stats don't back up what you're saying.
The top picks in the EU LCS so far are:
Sona 29
Shen 21
Renekton 17
Caitlyn 16
Volibear 16
Ezreal 15
Kayle 13
Lulu 12
Vi 12
Zyra 11
Hardly all diving champs. Volibear is the highest picked jungler, Kayle is a popular pick etc...
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On March 04 2013 07:37 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:28 Requizen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:26 Klive5ive wrote:On March 04 2013 07:18 ZeromuS wrote:
It seems to me as a casual lol viewer that the more assassin type players you have the more likely you are to win? In this meta anyway Not really. I'm not sure what games you watched to think that. AP Nidalee comps have been winning strong this weekend too. We had Xerath wins too, with siegeing ranged comps. Semi tanky hard dive comps have been doing best, as shown by the top junglers currently being Xin/Vi/J4 and Diana and Kass being prevalent. I consider Kass semi tanky because of the RoA core and his extra MR. I think you're just cherry picking. The stats don't back up what you're saying. The top picks in the EU LCS so far are: Sona 29 Shen 21 Renekton 17 Caitlyn 16 Volibear 16 Ezreal 15 Kayle 13 Lulu 12 Vi 12 Zyra 11 Hardly all diving champs. Volibear is the highest picked jungler, Kayle is a popular pick etc...
It's actually interesting how sona has retained her popularity regardless of changes to her, people panicked about her being too squishy but she seems to retain her universal presence.
I guess regardless of squishiness the ability to take a chunk out of any adc with Q + AA or the fact you have a giant line of stun from the ult means sona will always be good.
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On March 04 2013 07:29 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:27 Volband wrote:On March 04 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:it's starting again, the EG curse tainting the glory of our beloved team once known as clg.eu Seems like being on EG forces you to have social media presence even if you just got stomped and Froggen joining the public blamefest after Krepo on Friday Froggen @EGFroggen
Pathetic people not even paying attention to voicecom WOW, that's a bit over the line. They can shout at each other between the 4 walls as much as they want, and to be honest they should as well, but bringing it to the public. This won't end well. It's not good when that happens for sure. I can understand his frustrations though, he basically sat in mid lane and watched his team implode over and over and over. He actually ended the game without dieing or really stepping out of position.
Sure, he has every right to be mad, but calling your teammate(s) pathetic in front of the world is a whooole new level of being mad.
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:29 Klive5ive wrote:On March 04 2013 07:27 Volband wrote:On March 04 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:it's starting again, the EG curse tainting the glory of our beloved team once known as clg.eu Seems like being on EG forces you to have social media presence even if you just got stomped and Froggen joining the public blamefest after Krepo on Friday Froggen @EGFroggen
Pathetic people not even paying attention to voicecom WOW, that's a bit over the line. They can shout at each other between the 4 walls as much as they want, and to be honest they should as well, but bringing it to the public. This won't end well. It's not good when that happens for sure. I can understand his frustrations though, he basically sat in mid lane and watched his team implode over and over and over. He actually ended the game without dieing or really stepping out of position. I think the blame is mainly on him, kassa made plays and he didn't kill his tower early enough or made effective ganks. He was almost all the time afk farming mid. It also comes down to the champion selection, they should have gone for something else. Anivia gets pressured by kass and can't follow his ganks, just don't pick her and i'm sure it was froggen who asked for anivia. I think this week showed that Froggen champion's pool isn't big enough. He can play a lot of them but he's playing them with the anivia mindset. Remember his nida, always killing creeps with his spears in mid and not ganking, the same with tf, 0 agressive ulty. For me the main problem is Froggen, he's too predictable and plays way too defensive/turtle/farm.
Well they all played bad. But I agree that Froggens shortcomings are often overlooked when he just stays mid and does nothing while his team gets taken apart by the enemy mid.
One of the main problems is that Froggen started to believe in his own hype, and often doesnt realize his mistakes or doesnt help his team mates.
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Eh, Froggen played horrible this week, he's got no right to call anyone out, nvm that whining about your teammates in public is never a good solution for anything.
edit: anyway just because you didn't die in a game doesn't mean "it wasn't your fault", it really felt like he pretty much gave up 10 minutes or so into the match, just like he did with the random rageults on TF earlier.
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:29 Klive5ive wrote:On March 04 2013 07:27 Volband wrote:On March 04 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:it's starting again, the EG curse tainting the glory of our beloved team once known as clg.eu Seems like being on EG forces you to have social media presence even if you just got stomped and Froggen joining the public blamefest after Krepo on Friday Froggen @EGFroggen
Pathetic people not even paying attention to voicecom WOW, that's a bit over the line. They can shout at each other between the 4 walls as much as they want, and to be honest they should as well, but bringing it to the public. This won't end well. It's not good when that happens for sure. I can understand his frustrations though, he basically sat in mid lane and watched his team implode over and over and over. He actually ended the game without dieing or really stepping out of position. I think the blame is mainly on him, kassa made plays and he didn't kill his tower early enough or made effective ganks. He was almost all the time afk farming mid. It also comes down to the champion selection, they should have gone for something else. Anivia gets pressured by kass and can't follow his ganks, just don't pick her and i'm sure it was froggen who asked for anivia. I think this week showed that Froggen champion's pool isn't big enough. He can play a lot of them but he's playing them with the anivia mindset. Remember his nida, always killing creeps with his spears in mid and not ganking, the same with tf, 0 agressive ulty. For me the main problem is Froggen, he's too predictable and plays way too defensive/turtle/farm.
I dunno, he did everything that could be expected in that matchup. He kept Exter behind on farm, killed him, pressured the turret when he hit 6 and started roaming. There has to be an expectation that the other lanes won't feed Kass kills over and over.
I do agree that publicly calling out your teammates is a terrible idea no matter what the circumstance.
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You need to look at the bans though. How many Vi/Xin/Renekton/Jarvan bans, and how many Kayle/Taric/Singed bans, for example?
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On March 04 2013 07:36 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:29 Klive5ive wrote:On March 04 2013 07:27 Volband wrote:On March 04 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:it's starting again, the EG curse tainting the glory of our beloved team once known as clg.eu Seems like being on EG forces you to have social media presence even if you just got stomped and Froggen joining the public blamefest after Krepo on Friday Froggen @EGFroggen
Pathetic people not even paying attention to voicecom WOW, that's a bit over the line. They can shout at each other between the 4 walls as much as they want, and to be honest they should as well, but bringing it to the public. This won't end well. It's not good when that happens for sure. I can understand his frustrations though, he basically sat in mid lane and watched his team implode over and over and over. He actually ended the game without dieing or really stepping out of position. I think the blame is mainly on him, kassa made plays and he didn't kill his tower early enough or made effective ganks. He was almost all the time afk farming mid. It also comes down to the champion selection, they should have gone for something else. Anivia gets pressured by kass and can't follow his ganks, just don't pick her and i'm sure it was froggen who asked for anivia. I think this week showed that Froggen champion's pool isn't big enough. He can play a lot of them but he's playing them with the anivia mindset. Remember his nida, always killing creeps with his spears in mid and not ganking, the same with tf, 0 agressive ulty. For me the main problem is Froggen, he's too predictable and plays way too defensive/turtle/farm.
Mmmm, Krepo was abissmal on that match. I could've done the same thing he did, and I'm not even exaggerating. Hell, I don't even play Zyra support. I DONT EVEN OWN HER.
The only reason I'm not saying he was the absolute worse because Snoopeh made "some" questionable decisions. And by questionable I mean terrible. Wicked also gave up free kills, like when they dived him at his inner turret. Zero wards, zero map awareness, zero common sense. Who can help that?
Only Yellowpete didn't do anything bad in particar, he also got into the middle of the ****storm. At least he backed up when he realised he is probably about to be dived, proving that he played at least Platinum level on that game, unlike Wicked, who didn't know why does an Irelia want to 1v1 him under his inner turret with Kassadin missing and without any ward coverage.
Froggen is to blame as well, sure, but at least he didn't look like an amateur.
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On March 04 2013 07:43 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:36 Acertos wrote:On March 04 2013 07:29 Klive5ive wrote:On March 04 2013 07:27 Volband wrote:On March 04 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:it's starting again, the EG curse tainting the glory of our beloved team once known as clg.eu Seems like being on EG forces you to have social media presence even if you just got stomped and Froggen joining the public blamefest after Krepo on Friday Froggen @EGFroggen
Pathetic people not even paying attention to voicecom WOW, that's a bit over the line. They can shout at each other between the 4 walls as much as they want, and to be honest they should as well, but bringing it to the public. This won't end well. It's not good when that happens for sure. I can understand his frustrations though, he basically sat in mid lane and watched his team implode over and over and over. He actually ended the game without dieing or really stepping out of position. I think the blame is mainly on him, kassa made plays and he didn't kill his tower early enough or made effective ganks. He was almost all the time afk farming mid. It also comes down to the champion selection, they should have gone for something else. Anivia gets pressured by kass and can't follow his ganks, just don't pick her and i'm sure it was froggen who asked for anivia. I think this week showed that Froggen champion's pool isn't big enough. He can play a lot of them but he's playing them with the anivia mindset. Remember his nida, always killing creeps with his spears in mid and not ganking, the same with tf, 0 agressive ulty. For me the main problem is Froggen, he's too predictable and plays way too defensive/turtle/farm. I dunno, he did everything that could be expected in that matchup. He kept Exter behind on farm, killed him, pressured the turret when he hit 6 and started roaming. There has to be an expectation that the other lanes won't feed Kass kills over and over. I do agree that publicly calling out your teammates is a terrible idea no matter what the circumstance.
This is my point of view too.
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On March 04 2013 07:37 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:28 Requizen wrote:On March 04 2013 07:26 Klive5ive wrote:On March 04 2013 07:18 ZeromuS wrote:
It seems to me as a casual lol viewer that the more assassin type players you have the more likely you are to win? In this meta anyway Not really. I'm not sure what games you watched to think that. AP Nidalee comps have been winning strong this weekend too. We had Xerath wins too, with siegeing ranged comps. Semi tanky hard dive comps have been doing best, as shown by the top junglers currently being Xin/Vi/J4 and Diana and Kass being prevalent. I consider Kass semi tanky because of the RoA core and his extra MR. I think you're just cherry picking. The stats don't back up what you're saying. The top picks in the EU LCS so far are: Sona 29 Shen 21 Renekton 17 Caitlyn 16 Volibear 16 Ezreal 15 Kayle 13 Lulu 12 Vi 12 Zyra 11 Hardly all diving champs. Volibear is the highest picked jungler, Kayle is a popular pick etc...
Top picks != top performance.
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On March 04 2013 07:43 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 07:36 Acertos wrote:On March 04 2013 07:29 Klive5ive wrote:On March 04 2013 07:27 Volband wrote:On March 04 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:it's starting again, the EG curse tainting the glory of our beloved team once known as clg.eu Seems like being on EG forces you to have social media presence even if you just got stomped and Froggen joining the public blamefest after Krepo on Friday Froggen @EGFroggen
Pathetic people not even paying attention to voicecom WOW, that's a bit over the line. They can shout at each other between the 4 walls as much as they want, and to be honest they should as well, but bringing it to the public. This won't end well. It's not good when that happens for sure. I can understand his frustrations though, he basically sat in mid lane and watched his team implode over and over and over. He actually ended the game without dieing or really stepping out of position. I think the blame is mainly on him, kassa made plays and he didn't kill his tower early enough or made effective ganks. He was almost all the time afk farming mid. It also comes down to the champion selection, they should have gone for something else. Anivia gets pressured by kass and can't follow his ganks, just don't pick her and i'm sure it was froggen who asked for anivia. I think this week showed that Froggen champion's pool isn't big enough. He can play a lot of them but he's playing them with the anivia mindset. Remember his nida, always killing creeps with his spears in mid and not ganking, the same with tf, 0 agressive ulty. For me the main problem is Froggen, he's too predictable and plays way too defensive/turtle/farm. I dunno, he did everything that could be expected in that matchup. He kept Exter behind on farm, killed him, pressured the turret when he hit 6 and started roaming. There has to be an expectation that the other lanes won't feed Kass kills over and over. I do agree that publicly calling out your teammates is a terrible idea no matter what the circumstance.
There's a few points to consider here though:
1. He probably did everything possible in that matchup, but he deliberately chose it and probably did even more than possible just because he is Froggen on Anivia ( killed Kass lvl 2 for fb)
2. I clearly remember there was a point in the early game where Kassadin had 58 cs and Froggen had 54 and that was after he got an early kill. Not only after Kassadin's 3rd or 4th Roam gank Froggen managed to pull ahead by ~20cs, same for the tower who only went down after Kassadin basically snowballed the sidelanes alone.
3. Giants obviously wanted to bait the Anivia pick by not banning her, but maybe Froggen should have adapted with picks,as well.
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LoOl predicted this almost 3 months ago:"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17373150
I think that CLG.eu are really are going to fall off in season 3. They are the team with the most marketing value but i dont think we are gonna see lots of them like we did in season 2, because all lanes are lacking apart from Froggen.
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Froggen acting like a bitch. Yeah, he played that game correctly, and his team let him down; but acting like 8 yearold on twitter doesn't help the situation. Just apologize for poor performance, and talk to the team.
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