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pirates
Profile Joined October 2010
United States701 Posts
October 05 2011 03:31 GMT
#2481
On October 05 2011 12:30 Shawngood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 12:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Has pdd lost top this tournament? He's pretty good.

He lost with Morde again WE.

lol yeah his mordekaiser play was a bit off but his garen has been disgusting
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
October 05 2011 03:31 GMT
#2482
tho the ganks in that game to top lane were quite insane. How do you exactly prepare for a galio ult into TF porting next to you from mid? ^_^

scary garen play for sure from him
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 05 2011 03:31 GMT
#2483
The Chinese teams all seem to play the same. Get really aggressive, gank like crazy, dominate early game so the other team is way behind when/if it gets to late game.

SK and CLG should either try to do the same thing or even better pick safe lanes and build a team for late game. They don't need to pick lanes that will win or dominate, they just need lanes where they can farm safely and then not get themselves ganked.

Will be interesting to see if SK/CLG can run a safe team. I'd like to see what happens with CN vs. Westerners when the Chinese teams don't get the kills and dominance they like early game.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 05 2011 03:31 GMT
#2484
On October 05 2011 12:29 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 12:28 Cixah wrote:
We'll know if Ocelot picks Akali again. If he does then we know its 4th place for them and who wears the pants on SK.

Why do you say this, it wasn't the akali pick that lost them the game.


I say this because in about 90% of the games I have ever seen Ocelot play Akali he loses them because the enemy team either

1) Counter-Picks him.

or

2) Shuts him down so hard that he's down 50+ CS at 20 minutes or has x/4+/y by 20 minutes.

Last game, no the Akali pick didn't matter, but if they had a Traditional AP pick instead of the akali like say Annie or Brand (i think orhi was banned? I'll check in a sec) that there team fight would have been much much better and more than likely brought them back into the game when they almost evened it at about 15 minutes.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
October 05 2011 03:33 GMT
#2485
On October 05 2011 12:31 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 12:29 d(O.o)a wrote:
On October 05 2011 12:28 Cixah wrote:
We'll know if Ocelot picks Akali again. If he does then we know its 4th place for them and who wears the pants on SK.

Why do you say this, it wasn't the akali pick that lost them the game.


I say this because in about 90% of the games I have ever seen Ocelot play Akali he loses them because the enemy team either

1) Counter-Picks him.

or

2) Shuts him down so hard that he's down 50+ CS at 20 minutes or has x/4+/y by 20 minutes.

Last game, no the Akali pick didn't matter, but if they had a Traditional AP pick instead of the akali like say Annie or Brand (i think orhi was banned? I'll check in a sec) that there team fight would have been much much better and more than likely brought them back into the game when they almost evened it at about 15 minutes.


That's such a baseless statement, they were so far behind and have you ever tried laning as brand or annie vs. a fed karthus? It's not a very nice feeling.
Hi.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
October 05 2011 03:34 GMT
#2486
WOW Garen ban lol
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 03:36:36
October 05 2011 03:34 GMT
#2487
SK Bans: Karthus, Garen, Akali
eHOME Bans: CassiOPeia, Morgana, Rumble

Ele: "I'm glad Chinese teams are picking it up and giving us competition. I like competition."
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 03:35:49
October 05 2011 03:35 GMT
#2488
On October 05 2011 12:33 d(O.o)a wrote:
[That's such a baseless statement, they were so far behind and have you ever tried laning as brand or annie vs. a fed karthus? It's not a very nice feeling.


But Akali has a better time vs a fed Karthus? You are right in the sense that it might have been mostly irrelivant, but how does akali farm at ALL if the Karthus has the lane control he had? Even just being brand allows him to get 3-5 of the CS AND trade with Karthus much better than akali could have pre 6.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 05 2011 03:35 GMT
#2489
On October 05 2011 12:33 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 12:31 Cixah wrote:
On October 05 2011 12:29 d(O.o)a wrote:
On October 05 2011 12:28 Cixah wrote:
We'll know if Ocelot picks Akali again. If he does then we know its 4th place for them and who wears the pants on SK.

Why do you say this, it wasn't the akali pick that lost them the game.


I say this because in about 90% of the games I have ever seen Ocelot play Akali he loses them because the enemy team either

1) Counter-Picks him.

or

2) Shuts him down so hard that he's down 50+ CS at 20 minutes or has x/4+/y by 20 minutes.

Last game, no the Akali pick didn't matter, but if they had a Traditional AP pick instead of the akali like say Annie or Brand (i think orhi was banned? I'll check in a sec) that there team fight would have been much much better and more than likely brought them back into the game when they almost evened it at about 15 minutes.


That's such a baseless statement, they were so far behind and have you ever tried laning as brand or annie vs. a fed karthus? It's not a very nice feeling.


and why did they get behind? because akali got greedy and flashed into all five and gave up first blood. Ocelot does not play smart when he's on akali.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
October 05 2011 03:36 GMT
#2490
Did you see why they were so ahead? Because Oce flashed into 5 of them to ignite Garen even though he should have known that Garen would survive. That then baited the rest of his team to do something.

Plus he would have been totally useless in teamfights anyway. And vs CLG Cho just shat on him in every single team fight.
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
toastymow
Profile Joined October 2011
United States254 Posts
October 05 2011 03:37 GMT
#2491
On October 05 2011 12:33 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 12:31 Cixah wrote:
On October 05 2011 12:29 d(O.o)a wrote:
On October 05 2011 12:28 Cixah wrote:
We'll know if Ocelot picks Akali again. If he does then we know its 4th place for them and who wears the pants on SK.

Why do you say this, it wasn't the akali pick that lost them the game.


I say this because in about 90% of the games I have ever seen Ocelot play Akali he loses them because the enemy team either

1) Counter-Picks him.

or

2) Shuts him down so hard that he's down 50+ CS at 20 minutes or has x/4+/y by 20 minutes.

Last game, no the Akali pick didn't matter, but if they had a Traditional AP pick instead of the akali like say Annie or Brand (i think orhi was banned? I'll check in a sec) that there team fight would have been much much better and more than likely brought them back into the game when they almost evened it at about 15 minutes.


That's such a baseless statement, they were so far behind and have you ever tried laning as brand or annie vs. a fed karthus? It's not a very nice feeling.


Not really. The reality is that Annie's AoE engage and Brand's laning potential is bar none. He might still lose his lane, but ... I mean, he might be the best laning phase mage in the game.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 03:39:14
October 05 2011 03:38 GMT
#2492
On October 05 2011 12:31 overt wrote:
The Chinese teams all seem to play the same. Get really aggressive, gank like crazy, dominate early game so the other team is way behind when/if it gets to late game.

SK and CLG should either try to do the same thing or even better pick safe lanes and build a team for late game. They don't need to pick lanes that will win or dominate, they just need lanes where they can farm safely and then not get themselves ganked.

Will be interesting to see if SK/CLG can run a safe team. I'd like to see what happens with CN vs. Westerners when the Chinese teams don't get the kills and dominance they like early game.


Yeah, they pretty much all play the "full pressure gank" strategy, which as someone said yesterday is ironic because in Dota it's the opposite - it's the Western teams that play "full pressure gank" and the Chinese teams who play safe.

I'd like to see a good, safe, late-game strategy from SK or CLG. They should have the experience advantage there over Chinese teams. So, as they say in SC 2, they should be looking to drag it to the late-game.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
October 05 2011 03:39 GMT
#2493
On October 05 2011 12:35 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 12:33 d(O.o)a wrote:
[That's such a baseless statement, they were so far behind and have you ever tried laning as brand or annie vs. a fed karthus? It's not a very nice feeling.


But Akali has a better time vs a fed Karthus? You are right in the sense that it might have been mostly irrelivant, but how does akali farm at ALL if the Karthus has the lane control he had? Even just being brand allows him to get 3-5 of the CS AND trade with Karthus much better than akali could have pre 6.


Once akali gets 6 she wins the lane even if she is stupidly far behind.
On October 05 2011 12:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 12:33 d(O.o)a wrote:
On October 05 2011 12:31 Cixah wrote:
On October 05 2011 12:29 d(O.o)a wrote:
On October 05 2011 12:28 Cixah wrote:
We'll know if Ocelot picks Akali again. If he does then we know its 4th place for them and who wears the pants on SK.

Why do you say this, it wasn't the akali pick that lost them the game.


I say this because in about 90% of the games I have ever seen Ocelot play Akali he loses them because the enemy team either

1) Counter-Picks him.

or

2) Shuts him down so hard that he's down 50+ CS at 20 minutes or has x/4+/y by 20 minutes.

Last game, no the Akali pick didn't matter, but if they had a Traditional AP pick instead of the akali like say Annie or Brand (i think orhi was banned? I'll check in a sec) that there team fight would have been much much better and more than likely brought them back into the game when they almost evened it at about 15 minutes.


That's such a baseless statement, they were so far behind and have you ever tried laning as brand or annie vs. a fed karthus? It's not a very nice feeling.


and why did they get behind? because akali got greedy and flashed into all five and gave up first blood. Ocelot does not play smart when he's on akali.


I'm sorry but this is so illogical it frustrates me, If he did it on Akali he would do it on brand too. It was a mistake on his part, the champion didn't put bloodlust into him.
Hi.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
October 05 2011 03:40 GMT
#2494
Candypanda on urgot... interesting...
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
October 05 2011 03:42 GMT
#2495
I like the gragas pick a lot.
Whaaaa?
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 03:46:11
October 05 2011 03:43 GMT
#2496
SK Bans: Karthus, Garen, Akali
eHOME Bans: CassiOPeia, Morgana, Rumble

SK Picks: Galio, Urgot, Nocturne, Brand, Janna
eHOME Picks: GP, Sona, Vayne, Gragas, Lee Sin



Zenon: "Brand is like Annie 2.0, right?"
Ele: "Well, not really... Annie is more burst initiation, while Brand is more burst dps. If you have a good initiaite, his ult does so much."

Ele: "They have... Vayne, Gragas and Lee Sin...? That's a lot of knock back. Super surprised they didn't take Janna... Maybe their support player dislikes Janna. It's why CLG never runs Amumu. SaintV just doesn't like Amumu."
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
October 05 2011 03:46 GMT
#2497
I'm really liking Elementz commentary.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
October 05 2011 03:46 GMT
#2498
I've heard Saint say that about Amumu a lot - he thinks he's really weak because he requires his early game to go well in order to be a mid to late game force, and that's not really a guarantee at high levels of play.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 05 2011 03:47 GMT
#2499
With this lineup SK needs perfect teamwork to pull this off while how well Gragas doing will be the big factor for Eh in this game.
Terran
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 03:48:35
October 05 2011 03:48 GMT
#2500
Ele: "I don't like eHOME's team comp personally... it just doesn't have much synergy. SK has much better team comp."

Zenon: "Lee Sin is top lane. Would you rather have him top or jungle?"
Ele: "Lee Sin is very good top lane. You can get kills and-"
*stream dies on me*
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
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