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Yup, running MS quints on Mundo proved too weak, even with a big leash he just takes so much damage. 2 points early in W lets him clear a lot faster without losing too much health, especially on raptors and wolves (krugs he can just cleave them down).
Guess I'd have to retry with the 0/30/0 and something like AD/AS runes. Same would prob be true of Nautilus.
Nocturne had a brutal time clearing with ArPen/AD runes, taking too long to kill camps (basically starting purple side with a leash smite wouldn't be up for blue buff after gromp (immediate smite) -> wolves, and then I wouldn't be able to do raptors -> red (even with smite)). AD/AS cleared better but still noticeably worse than s2/3 and I wouldn't be able to fight after my first clear, basically gromp (smite) -> wolves -> blue (it dies before smite is up) -> red (smite) -> back to base.
Dunno if it's normal or not. 21-9 masteries. I was going for the warrior enchantment and 30 ArPen doesn't kill squishies s fast as I thought it would. :<
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This is the 1st Nocturne clear I'd reccomend:
http://www.twitch.tv/scipaeus/c/5597647
attack speed reds and quints, armor yellows, CDR blues, 9/21/0. I'm not convinced building a lot of dmg is a good idea on Nocturne, I think I'd like the skirmisher+devourer+tank build better on him, so this setup is geared towards that+best early jungle. I fucked up the clear a few times, didn't hit all the dudes with my autoattack on red, autoattacked 1 time too many on wolves (shoulda stopped, waited for my passive autoattack) which would give me a stun on the frog just before the golem buff would run out and then I clearly didn't do the blue buff perfectly, but close enough.
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In my limited experience, the fastest clear is with warwick. When I switch to Rengar, I am always amazed at how bad he is at clearing compared to ww :S
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Warwick is the slowest champion I've tried so far
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On December 01 2014 20:07 Scip wrote:
Warwick is the slowest champion I've tried so far
Really? I can start golem, smite red, birds, wolves, smite blue, gromp all in one go. With Rengar I start smiting red, then wolves and smite blue but i barely survive using 2 red potions. With ww 1/no potions o.o
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On December 01 2014 20:09 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 20:07 Scip wrote:
Warwick is the slowest champion I've tried so far Really? I can start golem, smite red, birds, wolves, smite blue, gromp all in one go. With Rengar I start smiting red, then wolves and smite blue but i barely survive using 2 red potions. With ww 1/no potions o.o
Both of those paths are awful, you're supposed to smite holems if you start them and you should never start red or blue. Check out the highlights on my twitch profile I linked earlier to get a better idea of how to jungle.
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Any thoughts on Trundle in the jungle? I've been noticing that he's gone unmentioned, but I expected him to be pretty good.
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On December 02 2014 01:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Any thoughts on Trundle in the jungle? I've been noticing that he's gone unmentioned, but I expected him to be pretty good.
Why the heck do you expect him to be good, lol
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On December 02 2014 01:47 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 01:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Any thoughts on Trundle in the jungle? I've been noticing that he's gone unmentioned, but I expected him to be pretty good. Why the heck do you expect him to be good, lol
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Because he's the best jungler in the game...
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My expectation of you saying something profound went the same way your expectation of Trundle being good did.
OMG I am the 2nd Shakedrizzle, czech+make youtube videos, my youtube channel is https://www.youtube.com/user/Scipaeus/videos please subcribe to me, give me donations and worship me for I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me
^^ relevant because I have the 1st clears of several champions uploaded
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This thread needs more Malzahar.
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Which is exactly why you didn't post any information about his jungling whatsoever
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On December 01 2014 21:19 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 20:09 SoSexy wrote:On December 01 2014 20:07 Scip wrote:
Warwick is the slowest champion I've tried so far Really? I can start golem, smite red, birds, wolves, smite blue, gromp all in one go. With Rengar I start smiting red, then wolves and smite blue but i barely survive using 2 red potions. With ww 1/no potions o.o Both of those paths are awful, you're supposed to smite holems if you start them and you should never start red or blue. Check out the highlights on my twitch profile I linked earlier to get a better idea of how to jungle.
can you explain the reasoning behind why you should never start red or blue?
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smiting the frog or rocks gives you a buff that either increases your clear speed or makes you take less damage and you want to smite the first camp you take so that the cooldown is up as soon as possible.
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but smiting red gives u health, so u could save money on potions, or not?
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Anyone tried poppy jungle yet? I tried her out after a accident when communications in solo que was so bad and I felt like he is pretty damn good in the new jungle. She can do the first clear without backing and got decent ganks and is extremely strong in the late game.
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On December 03 2014 01:29 SoSexy wrote:
but smiting red gives u health, so u could save money on potions, or not?
? Not a reason to start red, smiting red is good if you start frog, as I said, check the first clears I recorded
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On December 03 2014 01:29 SoSexy wrote:
but smiting red gives u health, so u could save money on potions, or not?
But you only need health if you smite at the end of the buff, so you're slowing your clear speed by misusing your smite CD. Additionally the smite on frog or golems will similarly increase your health by increasing your clear speed (and stunning camps so that you take less damage)
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On December 02 2014 19:30 Scip wrote:
Which is exactly why you didn't post any information about his jungling whatsoever
Start Machete + 2 hp pots, spam Q in fountain to get passive on next cast. Take whichever trinket you want.
Start blue, cast Q at 1:48 to have voidling with frenzy when it spawns, let voidling take 2 hits and then tank buff + smite it. Clear wolves, red, wraiths (smite wraith, not red), go back and get Smite of choice + pots + ward. Prime your passive while in fountain.
Go clear dragon using wraith buff thing, casting Q when you walk past wraiths/wolves so that it frenzies when you start dragon and then take it at level 3 with aggro swap. Farm until ult and then use ult for ganks and voidlings for objective control. Ult their divers in fights.
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I still favor smiting both golems and red, because that lets almost every melee champion make it through a full clear. It can be risky if you think your first blue buff will be stolen, or if you think you'll be needed on the blue buff side of the map for a lv3 countergank, but leaving camps uncleared during the first back feels really inefficient.
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