EPTHowever, if you want to try something out, have fun and avoid getting reported while doing that, I don't see a better place than TROLLS.
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
However, if you want to try something out, have fun and avoid getting reported while doing that, I don't see a better place than TROLLS. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On February 16 2013 07:51 Caller wrote: so basically, refute none of my points because they're correct. i'm okay with this. What can I say, I am an european dictator. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
this bohemian monarchy, is it real life or is it fantasy | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I'm still fascinated how LoL has developed this "tryhard"" aspect to a whole new level. I mean people get chirped in my Dota games if they pick a full proper lineup(something like Mag/ds/luna/sd/rubick lineup) yet here I see people advocating ONLY playing like that. What's the point.. Anyway I drifted from my original point. What is the point of this thread. Did anyone ever claim that the T.R.O.L.L stuff was to be taken as law? Are they not merely fun experiments done within the scope of the players themselves and nothing more. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23463 Posts
On February 16 2013 09:22 Caller wrote: this bohemian monarchy, is it real life or is it fantasy LOL pretty sick reference sometimes its hard to tell whether callers just a random troll or a secret genius he seems to be some kind of troll genius | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
One of my biggest complaint about LoL is how boring and static the metagame is. It will always be Tanky toplaner//Burst midlaner//Support + Carry//Jungler. Anyone trying anything new is automatically labelled a troll and should therefore be banned. Personal improvement in a game is always good, but sometimes we are forgetting that the main reason we play games is to have fun. If running a tri-lane in our group of 5's is what makes the game fun for us, then there is nothing wrong with that. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Therefore, the low level player is unable to distinguish good and bad strategies due to the lack of understanding and no experience to test his theories against. And this is why I would advise you to not consider the T.R.O.L.L.S. thread as any authority whatsoever and nothing close to a source of knowledge of the game. I feel that this is just a little ignorant. What constitutes "non-low level players"? Here's (imo) a good example. Tiensinoakuma was (iirc) 2400+ Elo Katarina player in S2. Back when Katarina was getting a remake, obviously he took a lot of interests in it and claimed to have played her extensively after the remake. Afterwards, he wrote a very lengthy post on Facebook, claiming that the remade Katarina was too weak. Riot took notice of this, and buffed Katarina by incorporating some of the suggestions by Tiensinoakuma. He wasn't the only high Elo player who thought this way. Scarra also claimed frequently on stream at the time that the Katarina remake made her worse than before. But we all know how good Katarina really was. She became perm-ban material really quickly - before any pros played her successfully in a tournament. So what went wrong here? How can two VERY HIGH ELO players who used to main the old Katarina give such utterly wrong opinions about the Katarina remake, which arguably has a similar kit? It's just ignorance. These players probably tried the remade Katarina a few times with their old mindset, didn't work out, then immediately dismissed her as weak. They did not think outside of the box. From what I have seen, this is not what TROLL is doing. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On February 16 2013 06:50 Scip wrote: Alright, on the development of strategists. If I understand you correctly, you are proposing that the tutor-pupil relationship (as for example the one we saw in ZERG RUSSIANS replay-watching thread) is for this purpose inferior to that of an environment where ideas get thrown around and criticized by everyone. And I do not necessarily disagree with that (although some restrictions/quality control is probably necessary). But I don't think that this environment should be in any way linked to research, data aquisition or anything like that. You remind me of my animal behavior professor my last semester of college. He was trying something new for lab periods and asked us to design our own experiments as a group. One particular experiment we had involved 4 groups of mice to test for two different things. When I asked if we should perhaps limit ourselves to 2 groups and one thing in order to have a chance at getting more meaningful results the professor shut me down saying "you're not going to get meaningful results". Later in the semester he complained that we weren't "thinking our experiments through enough". Surprise surprise, he basically said it was cute to watch us play scientist and, seemingly, his students took things less seriously. You're not as self-defeating as my professor, though similarly you're saying that TROLLS shouldn't be involved in "data collection". But both you and him forgot that discovery and the basic scientific method (trying things repeatedly and observing the result) are essential parts of learning from the day we are born to the day we die whether we do it perfectly or not and that effort should not be looked down on whatever level it occurs at, if it's sincere. The fact is that in the real world nearly everyone on the planet has one on one tutors (ideally parents) and opportunities for group learning (friends). Both methods are actually used in classrooms in college and high school to great effect even in seemingly rote subjects like math. Were all the stupid scientific experiments I did in high school a waste because they'd already been done one way or another, never got me published, weren't lead one-on-one by a respected researcher, and forced me to work in a group of at least one other peer who might not know anything more than what I did? Maybe it's just because I love the sciences and am doing my best to enter a scientific field. But no, I wouldn't say they were a waste at all. Similarly I wouldn't write of TROLLs as a waste anymore than I'd write off LiquidPractice... they're just two sides of the same group learning coin. Sorry if I got a little ranty or incoherent... I rewrote this several times and didn't give up because, well, I've never been much of an essayist and while we're talking about practice I might as well practice communication. | ||
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Sc2eleazar
United States70 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 19 2013 08:56 Bill Murray wrote: null hypothesis p-value > 0.05. FAILED TO REJECT. Bill is right. ggwp | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On February 16 2013 11:17 Sufficiency wrote: I feel that this is just a little ignorant. What constitutes "non-low level players"? Here's (imo) a good example. Tiensinoakuma was (iirc) 2400+ Elo Katarina player in S2. Back when Katarina was getting a remake, obviously he took a lot of interests in it and claimed to have played her extensively after the remake. Afterwards, he wrote a very lengthy post on Facebook, claiming that the remade Katarina was too weak. Riot took notice of this, and buffed Katarina by incorporating some of the suggestions by Tiensinoakuma. He wasn't the only high Elo player who thought this way. Scarra also claimed frequently on stream at the time that the Katarina remake made her worse than before. But we all know how good Katarina really was. She became perm-ban material really quickly - before any pros played her successfully in a tournament. So what went wrong here? How can two VERY HIGH ELO players who used to main the old Katarina give such utterly wrong opinions about the Katarina remake, which arguably has a similar kit? It's just ignorance. These players probably tried the remade Katarina a few times with their old mindset, didn't work out, then immediately dismissed her as weak. They did not think outside of the box. From what I have seen, this is not what TROLL is doing. he said the remade kat was weak before riot buffed her.. what's the problem? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
PS: Scip has to use Hec for historical accurateness. | ||
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