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On August 23 2013 17:06 LeapofFaith wrote:
On Ahri, do you typically go a mana item such as morellonomicon or athene's before getting dfg? Or do you just stick with double dorans for mana regen?
You don't want to go mana items, just build double dorans and go straight in to DFG. That is I think the most effective way to build ahri, and its also the most popular/standard. But if you face heavy ap team(I go abyssal still) or you have blue dependent jungler or you need early MR or something you can go athenes, but the most standard/assassin build is double dorans-dfg-deathcap.
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Just played a game with Ahri against a Malzahar and I feel like I couldn't do a thing.. Whenever you get close you get free harass from malefic visions or silenced.. whenever I ulted I got supressed.
Is it a hard counter or did I just played that matchup extremely poorly?
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On September 25 2013 22:50 Uldridge wrote:
Just played a game with Ahri against a Malzahar and I feel like I couldn't do a thing.. Whenever you get close you get free harass from malefic visions or silenced.. whenever I ulted I got supressed.
Is it a hard counter or did I just played that matchup extremely poorly?
It'll be hard to kill Malzahar in most mid matchups. Usually there's no real reason to go agressive on him imo.
I just wait till i have the AP to waveclear decently, that's basically the most important part of facing Malz. After u can match his pushing you can try going in on a silence juke, keeping in mind that that silence probably still cleared the entire wave and will still give him minion advantage in fighting you. You're more mobile and a better ganker though. Once you have the waveclear, look for ganks.
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On September 25 2013 23:57 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 22:50 Uldridge wrote:
Just played a game with Ahri against a Malzahar and I feel like I couldn't do a thing.. Whenever you get close you get free harass from malefic visions or silenced.. whenever I ulted I got supressed.
Is it a hard counter or did I just played that matchup extremely poorly? It'll be hard to kill Malzahar in most mid matchups. Usually there's no real reason to go agressive on him imo. I just wait till i have the AP to waveclear decently, that's basically the most important part of facing Malz. After u can match his pushing you can try going in on a silence juke, keeping in mind that that silence probably still cleared the entire wave and will still give him minion advantage in fighting you. You're more mobile and a better ganker though. Once you have the waveclear, look for ganks.
Also, your Q range is larger then his dot range, so that if you go for max range q's you can harass him without him being able to respond. If you land 2-3 of these you can very easily kill him with ult.
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On September 25 2013 23:57 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 22:50 Uldridge wrote:
Just played a game with Ahri against a Malzahar and I feel like I couldn't do a thing.. Whenever you get close you get free harass from malefic visions or silenced.. whenever I ulted I got supressed.
Is it a hard counter or did I just played that matchup extremely poorly? It'll be hard to kill Malzahar in most mid matchups. Usually there's no real reason to go agressive on him imo. I just wait till i have the AP to waveclear decently, that's basically the most important part of facing Malz. After u can match his pushing you can try going in on a silence juke, keeping in mind that that silence probably still cleared the entire wave and will still give him minion advantage in fighting you. You're more mobile and a better ganker though. Once you have the waveclear, look for ganks.
Yeah thanks, I'll just play the matchup supersafe next time and wait untill he just wastes a spell so I can go in, patience is a virtue on Ahri I guess.. Makes me appreciate the high level assassinations so much more.
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On September 25 2013 23:57 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 22:50 Uldridge wrote:
Just played a game with Ahri against a Malzahar and I feel like I couldn't do a thing.. Whenever you get close you get free harass from malefic visions or silenced.. whenever I ulted I got supressed.
Is it a hard counter or did I just played that matchup extremely poorly? It'll be hard to kill Malzahar in most mid matchups. Usually there's no real reason to go agressive on him imo. I just wait till i have the AP to waveclear decently, that's basically the most important part of facing Malz. After u can match his pushing you can try going in on a silence juke, keeping in mind that that silence probably still cleared the entire wave and will still give him minion advantage in fighting you. You're more mobile and a better ganker though. Once you have the waveclear, look for ganks.
this is in theory. in reality you will be pushed up against your tower all day unless you push him out of lane. "until you have the waveclear" is like lvl10...by then you have wasted a lot of your early-mid game potential roam because you were pushed up.
i think you have to spend the first several levels studying how your specific malz is using his spells, how he reacts to you feigning aggression, etc...then plan an allin at 6 (goal to push him out first, only kill if possible). harass/poke him as much as possible when his shit is on cd and you wont get malefic from a creep. as ahri you do have that small range advantage so you should be able to poke him and then allin with ult when his cd's are down (malz spam cds to push lane, just study his behavior). even with his ult you should be able to burst him.
if you can't do it at 6 (he's at 100%, his behavior is defensive in nature) then yes, you are forced to wait a long time and be even more patient, just study him more and learn how you can trade vs him (again no malz doesn't spam cd's to push wave)...and keep doing that and taking small wins. i still think this is the sub-optimal but safer way to play.
this is what i do as lb vs malz, kass vs malz, and i would do this as ahri vs malz. regardless of ahri's q having better waveclear than either of the two i mentioned.
edit: its very easy for malz to be unsafe around lvl5 and spam his cd's to push when he is (momentarily) in range to eat your full lvl5 combo. JUMP ON THAT SHIT. you can push him out of lane and allin when he comes back and you are 6.
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On August 23 2013 16:38 UnKooL wrote:
I've been playing Ahri a lot, and I gotta say lissandra is a really good against her, maybe even to call her a counterpick. Her lane harass with Q is too good and its hard to trade back. Also her allin is very strong and she negates my allin with her ult as well. Stil trying to figure out how to lane against her.
Faker agrees with you here. It's largely a skill matchup, but in a fight Lissandra has the luxury of a targeted lockdown followed up by the root to basically put Ahri out of the fight. Makes positioning even more important than it already was.
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rip fox lady riot nerfbat imcoming #riotgamesbalanceteam
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The OP needs to be edited back up to date since the latest (big) changes. I disagree with the notion that Ahri is nerfed too much, but she is definitly a bit weaker since 3.13.
Had a few great matches this week with her (though I'm talking silver level of play).
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