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On December 15 2013 09:28 trollbone wrote:
he has a good attak range too (600), annie is 625, karma 525
and i agree that he his so squishy, soraka has a base armor of 13 and she can sit in the back all the time, zilean has a base armor of 7 ! 405 health for soraka and 383 for zilean.
He really has shitty base stats
yeah his base stats are the worst in the game. He needs a buff imo.
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i swear that max cdr zilean is the most fun you can have in this game, but i don't play him support so idk how shitty he is with no gold
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On December 15 2013 11:08 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 09:45 ReachTheSky wrote:On December 15 2013 09:28 trollbone wrote:
he has a good attak range too (600), annie is 625, karma 525
and i agree that he his so squishy, soraka has a base armor of 13 and she can sit in the back all the time, zilean has a base armor of 7 ! 405 health for soraka and 383 for zilean.
He really has shitty base stats yeah his base stats are the worst in the game. He needs a buff imo. Yup I agree. A simple buff of his base stats would help him actually be a decent option to play. Riot needs to show some love to this champ 
Totally. His kit is great. He has a good laning phase and brings alot to team fights. Its just those base stats/scaling ;(
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So, as we saw in pro scene and high elo soloQ, Zilean is played quite a lot in midlane. And I'm not finding any good guide about him.
Any tips ?
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Thanks for the tips, I've found the same rune setup on probuild by watching Bjergsen and some others top tier midlaners.
I've been doing the same build order but I was buying Sorcerer's shoes. I barely lost lane to a Zed that was very agressive (and I suck at dodging skillshots), but it gave me a good idea on how to play the champ (at least in lane). Found a few tricks with him as well, like the double bombing someone but managing to have both bombs exploding at the same time (without spamming QWQ).
Against which kind of champion is it a bad idea to go for Zilean ? I figured he's having a hard time against hard engage/pick comp (Vi/Zed/Vlad).
I need some playstyle tips as well, as apparently he's a good roamer but I didn't managed to do it well enough in the games I played him.
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Do you think Zilean is viable in soloQ on lower levels, below diamond. My guess will be that at platinum he will be a fine mid pick, like nothing fancy and nothing that lose or win the game for the team. However, Bronze, Silver, Gold he won't be able to carry for sure and often will cost the game for the team by requiring coordination and adequate players on the other positions, something that you don't get in these levels very often.
Usually, when pros play & consider a champ as OP, its more or less the same in soloQ, but there are some cases where this is not true such as Zilean mid, Janna, Lulu & Kayle Top etc
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I'm Plat 5 (I stopped ranked after constantly losing games because my mates were doing retarded shit -see Swenskeren vs TSM going 1v5 all the time ? same here-, 80-90% of the time my lane was either won or even, I'm good at farming so dying few times isn't too important as I end up having as much gold as my opponent) but I play normal atm, so high gold/low plat.
As I'm learning the champ I don't care too much about the level of the other players, I'm trying to get used to it, figure out when to pick him and when not.
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On September 24 2014 20:48 Sakray wrote:
I'm Plat 5 (I stopped ranked after constantly losing games because my mates were doing retarded shit -see Swenskeren vs TSM going 1v5 all the time ? same here-, 80-90% of the time my lane was either won or even, I'm good at farming so dying few times isn't too important as I end up having as much gold as my opponent) but I play normal atm, so high gold/low plat.
As I'm learning the champ I don't care too much about the level of the other players, I'm trying to get used to it, figure out when to pick him and when not.
http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Zilean
Here you can see many pros that play & played zilean recently together with builds, runes, masteries, match ups etc.
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On September 24 2014 20:53 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 20:48 Sakray wrote:
I'm Plat 5 (I stopped ranked after constantly losing games because my mates were doing retarded shit -see Swenskeren vs TSM going 1v5 all the time ? same here-, 80-90% of the time my lane was either won or even, I'm good at farming so dying few times isn't too important as I end up having as much gold as my opponent) but I play normal atm, so high gold/low plat.
As I'm learning the champ I don't care too much about the level of the other players, I'm trying to get used to it, figure out when to pick him and when not. http://www.probuilds.net/champions/ZileanHere you can see many pros that play & played zilean recently together with builds, runes, masteries, match ups etc.
Yeah I checked it but there's no explanation of why they picked an item instead of another, and it doesn't say how to play the said matchups 
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On September 24 2014 19:58 M2 wrote:
Do you think Zilean is viable in soloQ on lower levels, below diamond. My guess will be that at platinum he will be a fine mid pick, like nothing fancy and nothing that lose or win the game for the team. However, Bronze, Silver, Gold he won't be able to carry for sure and often will cost the game for the team by requiring coordination and adequate players on the other positions, something that you don't get in these levels very often.
Usually, when pros play & consider a champ as OP, its more or less the same in soloQ, but there are some cases where this is not true such as Zilean mid, Janna, Lulu & Kayle Top etc
Yes, he is, provided you're in a favorable lane. Zilean is a monstrous lane bully in some matchups, so you can completely wreck the enemy laner, zoom zoom to other lanes and gank the crap out of them, and zoom zoom back. Plus, melee DPS champions tend to be extra fearsome at lower levels, and Zilean is their best friend.
On September 24 2014 18:12 Sakray wrote:
Against which kind of champion is it a bad idea to go for Zilean ? I figured he's having a hard time against hard engage/pick comp (Vi/Zed/Vlad).
I need some playstyle tips as well, as apparently he's a good roamer but I didn't managed to do it well enough in the games I played him.
In lane, Zilean is a bad pick against champs that outrange him and champs that have lots of sustain. Morgana, Ahri are two really awful matchups.
In teamfights, Zilean actually excels against heavy pick comps. Buy yourself a Zhonya's. If you're focused, activate Zhonya. If someone else is focused, ult them. Zilean has problems with AoE wombo combo teams and against very tanky, slow-resistant champions like Irelia.
On September 24 2014 22:20 Sakray wrote:Yeah I checked it but there's no explanation of why they picked an item instead of another, and it doesn't say how to play the said matchups
There are 3 kinds of Zilean matchups.
Very Good: you outrange them completely, and can bomb them with little or no risk to yourself.
Use single bombs to harass. Don't get ganked
Good: you're close to their range, so you trade with them.
Obviously this depends on how well you trade. Flask start, QWQ, and bomb-rewind-bomb as much as you can at level 3. You're hitting them with two level 2 nukes, while they only have one. At level 5, bomb-rewind bomb spam some more.
Bad: you're completely outranged by them, or their sustain is enough to completely ignore your bombs.
Stack up your own sustain, farm as best you can, and start pushing and ganking other lanes. Ward everywhere.
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I would always go Support Zil over Mid Zil. Why?
His kit isn't based on doing damage or sniping people out. Sure, you might be able to get off 2 bombs (3 if lucky) in 5 seconds but his burst isn't really there, and he's simply not made for sniping enemy adc.
Since he's mostly utility (W, E don't benefit from extra AP), I think it's waste of a spot to take up mid where your team could have a solid mid that brings a ton of burst to the team.
That being said, I like to build him with max CDR and tanky. Slight emphasis on early laning phase for damage and Q, while later emphasis on utility (CDR) and tanking for team with aura items.
How successful have you guys been with support zil?
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I've started playing some support Zilean, and he's pretty damn strong. I've copied Bunny's 9/7/14 mastery page and so far have been using my Karma page (hybrid pen marks, armour/health seals, flat AP glyphs and quints). Generally going spellthief > tear > sightstone > lucidity boots > morello > seraph's.
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I haven't played mid zilean in a long time, but when I did I stayed away from getting tear in favor of an ionian boots fiendish codex (becomes athene's later) RoA core instead, going tear just makes him really really squishy, I wouldn't get it unless I was ahead. With blue that is 40% cdr and mana wasn't too much of an issue. It may be less mana regen, but Zil can shove lane and is super fast coming back anyway. I'd also get a GA as 4th or 5th item for extra resists and insurance against not having to ult myself. Other items would be dcap/void staff for damage or zhonya/rylai for more tankiness, and seraphs if I was ahead enough to get a tear.
I would also skill QWQEQR, Max Q, E to level 3 for longer duration and chain slow(by level 10), then max W (lvl 11-14) and delay lvl 2 ultimate until after W max (it's only 250 more hp and 25 more mana cost per level). With 40% cdr you can just barely chain slow with 1 rank in E, but it's only a 2.5 second slow then and won't chain on people with merc treads, and I liked having the 4 second timewarp by lvl 10 over maxing W>E; you still max W only 1 level later than those who take Ult at 11 anyway. Idk if anyone does that kind of skilling anymore, but I like it. Support Zil probably is better, but I don't really know much about playing him as support.
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Even if they nerf his passive to not be global, Zilean's just silly.
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Why Tear + Morello instead of Athene's?
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