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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
June 15 2011 21:39 GMT
#101
I've been playing ap tf for awhile cause it's a great solo que stomp, ultimate and pushing power is too strong, and having lots of cc is great... following loco's guidelines for tf now, I tend to have to blue card a lot, and I suck vs akali, but overall really solid.

It's quite amusing to take tf then tell everyone I'm building ap then to get nothing but whining and why oh why in champ select, i have been que dodged at least three times now. <3 my elo
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
June 15 2011 22:15 GMT
#102
lol that's interesting to see how ap TF is so frowned upon. I think he's one of the scariest hard carrys I ever seen in this game.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
June 15 2011 22:40 GMT
#103
On June 16 2011 07:15 broz0rs wrote:
lol that's interesting to see how ap TF is so frowned upon. I think he's one of the scariest hard carrys I ever seen in this game.

? ? ? I think my english is bad because i just understood your post as "people say AP TF is bad" while in reality everyone knows that AP TF is a beast. TF is banned quite often at my Elo and if you meant "AP vs AD" then I haven't seen AD TF in like 3 months.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 23:39:48
June 15 2011 23:39 GMT
#104
AP TF in lower ELO is frowned upon b/c lower ELO playershave no skill nor game knowledge but big egos.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 15 2011 23:50 GMT
#105
On June 16 2011 08:39 BlackPaladin wrote:
AP TF in lower ELO is frowned upon b/c lower ELO playershave no skill nor game knowledge but big egos.


this so hard
last game there was an AP TF on the other team that was doing pretty poorly and was still like 10-5-10 with 3 towers against us and our team was saying things like "oh my god AP TF is such a waste what a bad player what a bad champ" and i lol'd

we still won, but only because i was playing vayne, who's even more of a herp-derp free-win champ.

on the same note, i have yet to lose with vayne in ranked because people would rather ban mordekaiser and shen than her. it's awesome how stupid low elo people are. "ban mordekaiser what an OP champ he can build pure tank and sorcs and 1shot your carry" okay great thanks leave vayne open. mordekaiser much better ban with his cc, 3 second cd flash, invisibility, chasing ability, and %-based true dama-OHWAITLOL

anyways what i'm getting at here is, get good at AP TF (and vayne!) and abuse the shit out of him if you're a low elo player, because you will ALWAYS be underestimated and every game is a free win
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 00:14:30
June 16 2011 00:13 GMT
#106
On June 16 2011 08:50 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 08:39 BlackPaladin wrote:
AP TF in lower ELO is frowned upon b/c lower ELO playershave no skill nor game knowledge but big egos.


this so hard
last game there was an AP TF on the other team that was doing pretty poorly and was still like 10-5-10 with 3 towers against us and our team was saying things like "oh my god AP TF is such a waste what a bad player what a bad champ" and i lol'd

we still won, but only because i was playing vayne, who's even more of a herp-derp free-win champ.

on the same note, i have yet to lose with vayne in ranked because people would rather ban mordekaiser and shen than her. it's awesome how stupid low elo people are. "ban mordekaiser what an OP champ he can build pure tank and sorcs and 1shot your carry" okay great thanks leave vayne open. mordekaiser much better ban with his cc, 3 second cd flash, invisibility, chasing ability, and %-based true dama-OHWAITLOL

anyways what i'm getting at here is, get good at AP TF (and vayne!) and abuse the shit out of him if you're a low elo player, because you will ALWAYS be underestimated and every game is a free win


Yeah Vayne seems to be actually banned a lot more though it's hilarious when you get him, I won a 4v5 the other day with 2 feeders on my team of 4 cause the other team didn't end the game soon enough.. once you get past that AD item + Zeal point vayne is really unstoppable. , but it's really sad I've gotten last pick TF a ton at 1300ish, although doesn't really matter got to jungle tank nunu/mumu since already have 4 carries that all want solo lane since it's solo que.
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Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
June 22 2011 04:04 GMT
#107
lul. according to patch notes, hourglass is gonna interrupt tf's ult now. goodbye perfect escape~~
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
June 22 2011 16:23 GMT
#108
On June 22 2011 13:04 goldenkrnboi wrote:
lul. according to patch notes, hourglass is gonna interrupt tf's ult now. goodbye perfect escape~~

This makes me sad..... I used to abuse this to no end bd'ing with ap tf.

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Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
August 25 2011 17:13 GMT
#109
I hope this is a good enough reason to bump...


So I got Twisted Fate on a whim. He looked cool, with nifty abilities.

I just can't figure this guy out. AD/AS builds seem like they'd be good, but his range is so abysmally crap. It's that bad middling distance where it's too close for comfort to melee (one charge/jump and they're on you), and to short for ranged (they can kill you before you even get close).

AP works... ok. There's no real burst that other AP carries have. If you land a GC/WC combo, you do alright damage and stun, but then they break out and you're way too squishy to just stand there and take it. So you end up trying to poke and then blitz them while they're low, but if they play smart/safe, it doesn't work out too well.

What am I missing? Can someone point out a good guide or video for tips?
Whatevs
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
August 25 2011 17:22 GMT
#110
On August 26 2011 02:13 Zenithal wrote:
I hope this is a good enough reason to bump...


So I got Twisted Fate on a whim. He looked cool, with nifty abilities.

I just can't figure this guy out. AD/AS builds seem like they'd be good, but his range is so abysmally crap. It's that bad middling distance where it's too close for comfort to melee (one charge/jump and they're on you), and to short for ranged (they can kill you before you even get close).

AP works... ok. There's no real burst that other AP carries have. If you land a GC/WC combo, you do alright damage and stun, but then they break out and you're way too squishy to just stand there and take it. So you end up trying to poke and then blitz them while they're low, but if they play smart/safe, it doesn't work out too well.

What am I missing? Can someone point out a good guide or video for tips?


You don't rape teamfights as well as other AP carries, but you help other lanes SO much more than other AP carries. With Annie and stuff, unless your lane partner makes a big mistake you're not getting any kills pre drag. With TF you can be 4-0 by the time your team runs dragon.
Playing League of Legends. IGN: Plain Skill
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
August 25 2011 17:28 GMT
#111
On August 26 2011 02:22 BouBou.865 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 02:13 Zenithal wrote:
I hope this is a good enough reason to bump...


So I got Twisted Fate on a whim. He looked cool, with nifty abilities.

I just can't figure this guy out. AD/AS builds seem like they'd be good, but his range is so abysmally crap. It's that bad middling distance where it's too close for comfort to melee (one charge/jump and they're on you), and to short for ranged (they can kill you before you even get close).

AP works... ok. There's no real burst that other AP carries have. If you land a GC/WC combo, you do alright damage and stun, but then they break out and you're way too squishy to just stand there and take it. So you end up trying to poke and then blitz them while they're low, but if they play smart/safe, it doesn't work out too well.

What am I missing? Can someone point out a good guide or video for tips?


You don't rape teamfights as well as other AP carries, but you help other lanes SO much more than other AP carries. With Annie and stuff, unless your lane partner makes a big mistake you're not getting any kills pre drag. With TF you can be 4-0 by the time your team runs dragon.


How should I be playing him to get that kind of score? I fear that if I play too aggressively to try and pick off a champ, I'll overextend, with no real escape tool (gate at 6, but that's not reliable. I hate looking at the scoreboard and seeing myself with only 1-3 kills and everyone else at like 7+. I just feel that his only real damage as AP comes from WC, which is good but doesn't do enough by itself to be a threat to other players.
Whatevs
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
August 25 2011 17:52 GMT
#112
TF's damage should come from:
WC+Pick a Card + E proc + Sheen/Lich Bane proc
And all is illuminated.
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
August 25 2011 18:10 GMT
#113
On August 26 2011 02:52 freelander wrote:
TF's damage should come from:
WC+Pick a Card + E proc + Sheen/Lich Bane proc


Still, even on a squishy carry that's only like a fifth of the health bar before you need to run away to keep yourself from dying. Is that how you're supposed to play, just chip away and hope you catch them in a bad spot? Or should you try to push your advantage and aggressively run in and attack?
Whatevs
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
August 25 2011 18:13 GMT
#114
that's half hp of a squishy or more. Then you fall back a little wait for your CD's. Why would you wanna run in?
And all is illuminated.
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
August 25 2011 18:56 GMT
#115
I guess I'm just kind of used to Trist and Corki (my better characters), who don't back off and just jump in and kill things. I'm not used to the "poke, poke, kill!" style.

And when I say run in, I mean when do you decide to sit behind your minions and when do you decide to go forward for the kill?
Whatevs
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 19:37:20
August 25 2011 19:36 GMT
#116
well you have to play TF as a giant pussy and keep in mind that you basicly can't 1v1 anyone. but he is really strong when someone comes to gank, thanks to the low cd stun. You can use that 2 times almost everytime there is a gank.
and thanks to your ultimate you can create really non-fair situations for the other team.

When to go in: it comes with experience. When you feel you are not in danger and can deal a lot of damage, you go in. Don't get caught in any CC, because then you die. I can't really say any specifics.

TF is one of the harder champs to use. You need good gamesense and map awareness (Where should I teleport? , What can I do with my teleport), also quick judgement (if I teleport there can I kill them and not die, what to do with the teleport ) and good mechanics for fast pick a card usage.

Actually, you should almost never use your jumps to get in as Corki or Trist. When there is a free kill, yeea of course (but you will still regret that a few times when 2 of their teammates just get there from thin air and CC you). But in a teamfight, it's generally a rule of thumb to use jumps on squishies to get away from divers like Irelia, Xin etc.
And all is illuminated.
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
August 25 2011 19:52 GMT
#117
I meant more jumping in to kill someone weak. A 20% health anything dies to a Corki who jumps on him and GG/MB/AA's them. Tristana can even jump in, snipe an enemy to reset Rocket Jump's cooldown, then jump out again.

TF doesn't seem to have this. When a low-health enemy is running, I can try to Gate ahead and cut them off, but if they're determined to get away catching up isn't happening. You can slow or stun, but the short range makes it rather unlikely if they have any sort of escape mechanism at all. Your best bets to go for the kill are Gating ahead or use a Summoner (ghost or flash) to get in range.
Whatevs
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
August 25 2011 21:02 GMT
#118
wait until they compensate for tf's useless ult to play him (if they ever do)

they neutered him from amazing to not quite useless but no reason to pick him really
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 25 2011 21:08 GMT
#119
the OP guide is really out of date here...
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 25 2011 21:12 GMT
#120
they neutered him from OP to not quite useless but no reason to pick him. that ult made him a threat to all lanes on map early game and allowed him to do some really strong pushes with little to no threats.
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