EPTIt's quite amusing to take tf then tell everyone I'm building ap then to get nothing but whining and why oh why in champ select, i have been que dodged at least three times now. <3 my elo
[Champion] Twisted Fate - Page 6
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
It's quite amusing to take tf then tell everyone I'm building ap then to get nothing but whining and why oh why in champ select, i have been que dodged at least three times now. <3 my elo | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:15 broz0rs wrote: lol that's interesting to see how ap TF is so frowned upon. I think he's one of the scariest hard carrys I ever seen in this game. ? ? ? I think my english is bad because i just understood your post as "people say AP TF is bad" while in reality everyone knows that AP TF is a beast. TF is banned quite often at my Elo and if you meant "AP vs AD" then I haven't seen AD TF in like 3 months. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:39 BlackPaladin wrote: AP TF in lower ELO is frowned upon b/c lower ELO playershave no skill nor game knowledge but big egos. this so hard last game there was an AP TF on the other team that was doing pretty poorly and was still like 10-5-10 with 3 towers against us and our team was saying things like "oh my god AP TF is such a waste what a bad player what a bad champ" and i lol'd we still won, but only because i was playing vayne, who's even more of a herp-derp free-win champ. on the same note, i have yet to lose with vayne in ranked because people would rather ban mordekaiser and shen than her. it's awesome how stupid low elo people are. "ban mordekaiser what an OP champ he can build pure tank and sorcs and 1shot your carry" okay great thanks leave vayne open. mordekaiser much better ban with his cc, 3 second cd flash, invisibility, chasing ability, and %-based true dama-OHWAITLOL anyways what i'm getting at here is, get good at AP TF (and vayne!) and abuse the shit out of him if you're a low elo player, because you will ALWAYS be underestimated and every game is a free win | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:50 gtrsrs wrote: this so hard last game there was an AP TF on the other team that was doing pretty poorly and was still like 10-5-10 with 3 towers against us and our team was saying things like "oh my god AP TF is such a waste what a bad player what a bad champ" and i lol'd we still won, but only because i was playing vayne, who's even more of a herp-derp free-win champ. on the same note, i have yet to lose with vayne in ranked because people would rather ban mordekaiser and shen than her. it's awesome how stupid low elo people are. "ban mordekaiser what an OP champ he can build pure tank and sorcs and 1shot your carry" okay great thanks leave vayne open. mordekaiser much better ban with his cc, 3 second cd flash, invisibility, chasing ability, and %-based true dama-OHWAITLOL anyways what i'm getting at here is, get good at AP TF (and vayne!) and abuse the shit out of him if you're a low elo player, because you will ALWAYS be underestimated and every game is a free win Yeah Vayne seems to be actually banned a lot more though it's hilarious when you get him, I won a 4v5 the other day with 2 feeders on my team of 4 cause the other team didn't end the game soon enough.. once you get past that AD item + Zeal point vayne is really unstoppable.  , but it's really sad I've gotten last pick TF a ton at 1300ish, although doesn't really matter got to jungle tank nunu/mumu since already have 4 carries that all want solo lane since it's solo que. | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On June 22 2011 13:04 goldenkrnboi wrote: lul. according to patch notes, hourglass is gonna interrupt tf's ult now. goodbye perfect escape~~ This makes me sad..... I used to abuse this to no end bd'ing with ap tf. | ||
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Zenithal
United States142 Posts
So I got Twisted Fate on a whim. He looked cool, with nifty abilities. I just can't figure this guy out. AD/AS builds seem like they'd be good, but his range is so abysmally crap. It's that bad middling distance where it's too close for comfort to melee (one charge/jump and they're on you), and to short for ranged (they can kill you before you even get close). AP works... ok. There's no real burst that other AP carries have. If you land a GC/WC combo, you do alright damage and stun, but then they break out and you're way too squishy to just stand there and take it. So you end up trying to poke and then blitz them while they're low, but if they play smart/safe, it doesn't work out too well. What am I missing? Can someone point out a good guide or video for tips? | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
On August 26 2011 02:13 Zenithal wrote: I hope this is a good enough reason to bump... So I got Twisted Fate on a whim. He looked cool, with nifty abilities. I just can't figure this guy out. AD/AS builds seem like they'd be good, but his range is so abysmally crap. It's that bad middling distance where it's too close for comfort to melee (one charge/jump and they're on you), and to short for ranged (they can kill you before you even get close). AP works... ok. There's no real burst that other AP carries have. If you land a GC/WC combo, you do alright damage and stun, but then they break out and you're way too squishy to just stand there and take it. So you end up trying to poke and then blitz them while they're low, but if they play smart/safe, it doesn't work out too well. What am I missing? Can someone point out a good guide or video for tips? You don't rape teamfights as well as other AP carries, but you help other lanes SO much more than other AP carries. With Annie and stuff, unless your lane partner makes a big mistake you're not getting any kills pre drag. With TF you can be 4-0 by the time your team runs dragon. | ||
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Zenithal
United States142 Posts
On August 26 2011 02:22 BouBou.865 wrote: You don't rape teamfights as well as other AP carries, but you help other lanes SO much more than other AP carries. With Annie and stuff, unless your lane partner makes a big mistake you're not getting any kills pre drag. With TF you can be 4-0 by the time your team runs dragon. How should I be playing him to get that kind of score? I fear that if I play too aggressively to try and pick off a champ, I'll overextend, with no real escape tool (gate at 6, but that's not reliable. I hate looking at the scoreboard and seeing myself with only 1-3 kills and everyone else at like 7+. I just feel that his only real damage as AP comes from WC, which is good but doesn't do enough by itself to be a threat to other players. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
WC+Pick a Card + E proc + Sheen/Lich Bane proc | ||
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Zenithal
United States142 Posts
On August 26 2011 02:52 freelander wrote: TF's damage should come from: WC+Pick a Card + E proc + Sheen/Lich Bane proc Still, even on a squishy carry that's only like a fifth of the health bar before you need to run away to keep yourself from dying. Is that how you're supposed to play, just chip away and hope you catch them in a bad spot? Or should you try to push your advantage and aggressively run in and attack? | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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Zenithal
United States142 Posts
And when I say run in, I mean when do you decide to sit behind your minions and when do you decide to go forward for the kill? | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
and thanks to your ultimate you can create really non-fair situations for the other team. When to go in: it comes with experience. When you feel you are not in danger and can deal a lot of damage, you go in. Don't get caught in any CC, because then you die. I can't really say any specifics. TF is one of the harder champs to use. You need good gamesense and map awareness (Where should I teleport? , What can I do with my teleport), also quick judgement (if I teleport there can I kill them and not die, what to do with the teleport ) and good mechanics for fast pick a card usage. Actually, you should almost never use your jumps to get in as Corki or Trist. When there is a free kill, yeea of course (but you will still regret that a few times when 2 of their teammates just get there from thin air and CC you). But in a teamfight, it's generally a rule of thumb to use jumps on squishies to get away from divers like Irelia, Xin etc. | ||
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Zenithal
United States142 Posts
TF doesn't seem to have this. When a low-health enemy is running, I can try to Gate ahead and cut them off, but if they're determined to get away catching up isn't happening. You can slow or stun, but the short range makes it rather unlikely if they have any sort of escape mechanism at all. Your best bets to go for the kill are Gating ahead or use a Summoner (ghost or flash) to get in range. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
they neutered him from amazing to not quite useless but no reason to pick him really | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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