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Thaniri
1264 Posts
Probably just need a 98.9 second delay on shot after dropping the tank to make it absolutely atrocious except for specific harassment instances. If that happens TvT will revert to HoTS, and is only one medivac nerf away from going back to glorious WoL TvT. I have placed information vital to the survival of sc2 TvT into this post. You know how to retrieve it. You must see this post safely delivered to the PTR server. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, David Kim. You're my only hope. | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
Fuck map diversity. Seriously. I'm feeling my tolerance towards this idiocy is running out. I can't take it anymore. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 30 2015 15:22 Thaniri wrote: Siege tank drops in TvT getting fixed? Probably just need a 98.9 second delay on shot after dropping the tank to make it absolutely atrocious except for specific harassment instances. If that happens TvT will revert to HoTS, and is only one medivac nerf away from going back to glorious WoL TvT. I have placed information vital to the survival of sc2 TvT into this post. You know how to retrieve it. You must see this post safely delivered to the PTR server. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, David Kim. You're my only hope. "Got it! Unboosted Medivac removed, medivac always flies at fullspeed. And we believe to have found the perfect tankdrop delay with the last patch. However, to offer more tools as counters to it, medivacs can now pick up bunkers. Also banshee cloak now refunds 200minerals and 200gas upon research." | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Working together as we have all throughout the beta Yes. It would be a shame if the community suggested a whole economy model and Blizzard wouldn't pick it up. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On October 30 2015 16:56 boxerfred wrote: Yes. It would be a shame if the community suggested a whole economy model and Blizzard wouldn't pick it up. I don't blame them for picking it up at all. It's nothing about the viability of the Double Harvest method, it's just whatever Blizzard's design process and plan for the game is. You seriously cannot expect them to have spent all this time working on LotV as it was and then drop it all suddenly because some people made a fancy extension mod. I think the community vastly overestimates it's potential value to SC2's design and development. But that's mostly Blizzard's fault for not convincing them how much better and smarter they are, so idk. | ||
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ThunderBum
Australia192 Posts
On October 30 2015 17:01 BEARDiaguz wrote: I don't blame them for picking it up at all. It's nothing about the viability of the Double Harvest method, it's just whatever Blizzard's design process and plan for the game is. You seriously cannot expect them to have spent all this time working on LotV as it was and then drop it all suddenly because some people made a fancy extension mod. I think the community vastly overestimates it's potential value to SC2's design and development. But that's mostly Blizzard's fault for not convincing them how much better and smarter they are, so idk. How dare you insinuate that there are people who are paid to understand this game better than random people on a forum. | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
Once again the TL threads aren't that much better, surprisingly. Blizzard is doing a fantastic job. Everything will be ok. Calm down. If you don't know how to win, you haven't explored all possibilities. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On October 30 2015 17:01 BEARDiaguz wrote: I don't blame them for picking it up at all. It's nothing about the viability of the Double Harvest method, it's just whatever Blizzard's design process and plan for the game is. You seriously cannot expect them to have spent all this time working on LotV as it was and then drop it all suddenly because some people made a fancy extension mod. I think the community vastly overestimates it's potential value to SC2's design and development. But that's mostly Blizzard's fault for not convincing them how much better and smarter they are, so idk. Yes. Basically you cannot go ahead and say "please, everyone, play and test and give feedback" when your design process is mainly already finished. I'm not naive enough to expect Blizzard to take over ideas that other guys do that are not part of the company and are "only" playing the game. But I do expect Blizzard to pick up incentives, especially if they call for good collaboration. On October 30 2015 17:40 Mistakes wrote: Once again the Blizzard forums are painful and full of crying. Once again the TL threads aren't that much better, surprisingly. Blizzard is doing a fantastic job. Everything will be ok. Calm down. If you don't know how to win, you haven't explored all possibilities. This is not about winrates. It's about flawed game design and the lack of being honestly interested in community feedback. If they want a Beta to consist only of rough balance test, then they should say "yo guys, play the game and let us check the balance based on your stats". Nothing more. | ||
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SpecKROELLchen
Germany151 Posts
On October 30 2015 17:40 Mistakes wrote: Once again the Blizzard forums are painful and full of crying. Once again the TL threads aren't that much better, surprisingly. Blizzard is doing a fantastic job. Everything will be ok. Calm down. If you don't know how to win, you haven't explored all possibilities. Your last sentence just makes me a little bit sad. For me this feels like "ok jump over the street with closed eyes, everything will be fine, if you get hit by a car you didn't jump fast enough". I know you wanted to calm us down but not everyone here is just stupidly crying. Sure there is a lot of crying in forums and thats not good and blizzard deserves respect. But on the other hand (unit balance) if you see something is broken or does not feel good and the whole community agrees and blizzard doesn't even mention it in patchnotes then it is absolutely legit to get angry. I feel that the beta needed at least 1 month more banalce testing. And i think its much better to nerf something if its obviously too strong having the risk that it might be a bit underpowered instead of letting this strat ruin a whole tournament (lets see what happens at dreamhack). I don't want to mention any examples because i do not want to start a balancediskussion again ;D | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
Yes. Basically you cannot go ahead and say "please, everyone, play and test and give feedback" when your design process is mainly already finished. I'm not naive enough to expect Blizzard to take over ideas that other guys do that are not part of the company and are "only" playing the game. But I do expect Blizzard to pick up incentives, especially if they call for good collaboration. What? Of course you can! Blizzard are all "ok here's some new units we've been working on, 12 worker start, 60% patches and geysers, let's try and make this all work". That's literally what happened and that sort of thing is pretty much how all betas work. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
To me it looked a great idea at first. But if feels like it has only brought disappointment to many people, because everyone has their many own ideas for the game and of course the new patches didn't please most of them. And everyone thinks they are better game designers than the whole Blizz team, so they think "why the hell aren't they doing what I told them? Wtf is this feedback about then?" The economy model is a great example of this. Weekly updates and sharing their thoughts were great, make no mistake. But the "involving the whole community" thing created more problems than it solved IMO. Over the good or bad design, there are the feelings of the players about the game. And they were kinda crushed for many. | ||
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Valyrian
41 Posts
On October 30 2015 15:22 Thaniri wrote: Probably just need a 98.9 second delay on shot after dropping the tank to make it absolutely atrocious except for specific harassment instances. Tank drop delay is going to be the new bunker build time in LotV. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15996 Posts
-Ultras -parasitic bomb -tank drop -chronoboost -warpin nerf Ultras and pb make terran play on a timer in tvz and we all know how exciting that is. Tank drop ruin tvt because you can instantly siege everywhere on the map which removes all the positional aspects of the matchup. chronoboost is just terrible and impractical while the warpin nerf nerfs protoss map control and harass potential. Also I'm really dissatisfied that oracles and tempests are still in their bad state from hots. | ||
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
I feel like every time I want to play I'd have to read through pages of patch logs first. it's not fun! | ||
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Haighstrom
United Kingdom206 Posts
Personally I don't like the direction of maps, and I'm more in favour of standard-ish maps. I guess what might end up happening is GSL/SSL start using their own maps again, if the ladder maps are too wonky, which would suck for ladder-only players. But I have an open mind, so let's wait and see how it pans out. I'm pleased to see Blizzard committed to continuing to improve the game and the balance post launch. And most importantly, thank you Blizzard for all the community updates, they were a great means of communication, and have on the whole been superb. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On October 30 2015 18:20 BEARDiaguz wrote: What? Of course you can! Blizzard are all "ok here's some new units we've been working on, 12 worker start, 60% patches and geysers, let's try and make this all work". That's literally what happened and that sort of thing is pretty much how all betas work. Sorry, I failed at typing. I meant that you cannot say "lets work together, please take part" when in reality all you want to Do is balance test. | ||
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zGt.MoSka
Brazil30 Posts
They have been always BUFFING every unit SPEED, instead of nerfing the one that is too fast. I have been playing SC since 2002, and my experience with someone else watching you play sc2 is, "WTF is going on your screen?" The only prize you can gain for playing? It is tendinitis. The best thing they did, was changing the macro. But everyone knows why they didn't keep it, because it was a bet, either could fail or be a success. Fail, means fired. Sorry about the bad english. And anyway, good luck Starcraft, I always loved you, but is time to move on. | ||
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jackacea
66 Posts
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Kingultalisk
4 Posts
On October 30 2015 19:07 boxerfred wrote: Sorry, I failed at typing. I meant that you cannot say "lets work together, please take part" when in reality all you want to Do is balance test. Yes they can, its their game. They can do everything. I agree that Beta is for design and balance change but not every company cares | ||
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Espartaquen
88 Posts
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