EPTOn October 10 2015 18:15 jinjin5000 wrote:
People throw away scv in lotv? I haven't done it yet since I find them too valuable to keep with reduced income and all..
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On October 10 2015 06:24 LSN wrote:
What ppl consider a problem with mech is a problem based on mules actually. If mules were removed or weakened then mech couldn't use over supply and at the same time harrassment on T eco would matter more than it does now. The natural weakness of mech is to have the terran split its army up.
I think it is not enough time now before release to do big changes. Mid and long term Blizzard needs to find a way to remove mules and potentially replace them with anything else and adapt other race's MM. Mules are the most detrimental unit to the game.
On October 09 2015 22:49 91matt wrote:
There isn't a single high level zerg that doesn't think mech is too strong (in hots). Call it subjectivity but everyone hates playing against it. You don't need statistics on this one, you just need to play or watch the game. Mech is completely absurd. It's things like Terran mech in HoTS which drive good players away from playing the game. BL/Infestor wasn't unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination, but it was absurd and bad for the game. Same with Terran mech.
One race having the ability to play ultra defensive and build a godlike army is absolutely cancerous.
On October 09 2015 22:32 Charoisaur wrote:
wrong, zerg is op against mech because:
1) Their midgame destroys with ease everything mech has
2) it became very easy to play zerg (blinding cloud buff, roach burrow movespeed buff, mutalisk speed/regen, hydralisk speed, ultra buff)
3) terran has no tools to harass the zerg player in a somehow cost-effective way.
see why you need statistics to bback your statements up?
Without statistics everyone can just spew subjective bullshit. Fact is if statistics are fine the game isn't imbalanced. Doesn't matter if you have problems with mech on ladder. I also have problems with protoss but I don't say it's imba.
On October 09 2015 18:58 FireCake wrote:
Why do you care so much about statistics ? They give no explanation about how the game works and thus how to change the game if it needs to be done.
Mech is overpowered against zerg because :
1) Their late game army destroys with ease everything zerg has
2) It became very easy to play mech (combined upgrade, tanks buff, hellbat buff, SH nerf, banshee buff...)
3) Zerg has no tools to harass the terran player in a somehow cost-effective way
Terrans players played bio everytime they play a zerg for years, suddendly terrans play mech... This strategy needs to be insanely broken for terran to do something else than 3 CCs into bio.
On October 09 2015 16:48 cmdspinner1 wrote:
Are there any statistics that prove that mech is overpowered vs. Zerg? A lot of people just claim that, but i don't get the impression from watching pro games.
On October 09 2015 09:30 Pugfarmer wrote:
The problem with Mech being overpowered vs Zerg, and creating the same slow turtle games that the old swarm hosts did.
On October 09 2015 08:46 Charoisaur wrote:
Which problem?
On October 09 2015 08:44 Pugfarmer wrote:
Just separate mech upgrades in HOTS and problem solved.
Just separate mech upgrades in HOTS and problem solved.
Which problem?
The problem with Mech being overpowered vs Zerg, and creating the same slow turtle games that the old swarm hosts did.
Are there any statistics that prove that mech is overpowered vs. Zerg? A lot of people just claim that, but i don't get the impression from watching pro games.
Why do you care so much about statistics ? They give no explanation about how the game works and thus how to change the game if it needs to be done.
Mech is overpowered against zerg because :
1) Their late game army destroys with ease everything zerg has
2) It became very easy to play mech (combined upgrade, tanks buff, hellbat buff, SH nerf, banshee buff...)
3) Zerg has no tools to harass the terran player in a somehow cost-effective way
Terrans players played bio everytime they play a zerg for years, suddendly terrans play mech... This strategy needs to be insanely broken for terran to do something else than 3 CCs into bio.
wrong, zerg is op against mech because:
1) Their midgame destroys with ease everything mech has
2) it became very easy to play zerg (blinding cloud buff, roach burrow movespeed buff, mutalisk speed/regen, hydralisk speed, ultra buff)
3) terran has no tools to harass the zerg player in a somehow cost-effective way.
see why you need statistics to bback your statements up?
Without statistics everyone can just spew subjective bullshit. Fact is if statistics are fine the game isn't imbalanced. Doesn't matter if you have problems with mech on ladder. I also have problems with protoss but I don't say it's imba.
There isn't a single high level zerg that doesn't think mech is too strong (in hots). Call it subjectivity but everyone hates playing against it. You don't need statistics on this one, you just need to play or watch the game. Mech is completely absurd. It's things like Terran mech in HoTS which drive good players away from playing the game. BL/Infestor wasn't unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination, but it was absurd and bad for the game. Same with Terran mech.
One race having the ability to play ultra defensive and build a godlike army is absolutely cancerous.
What ppl consider a problem with mech is a problem based on mules actually. If mules were removed or weakened then mech couldn't use over supply and at the same time harrassment on T eco would matter more than it does now. The natural weakness of mech is to have the terran split its army up.
I think it is not enough time now before release to do big changes. Mid and long term Blizzard needs to find a way to remove mules and potentially replace them with anything else and adapt other race's MM. Mules are the most detrimental unit to the game.
People throw away scv in lotv? I haven't done it yet since I find them too valuable to keep with reduced income and all..
Currently there is too much imbalanced stuff in the game, which is why games tend to end rather early. As soon as the game is sufficiently balanced and games go to the late game more often, you will see it.
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