[Summer Split] LoL Esports General Discussion

On June 26 2022 04:48 DarkCore wrote:
T1 vs DK was a bit of a letdown, game 1 started well but DK just don't have it in them to beat T1 atm.

LEC had the shortest and longest game of the split so far, seems the region still hasn't fully gotten a grasp on the meta yet.

On July 14 2022 19:15 Uldridge wrote:
Game 2 GenG vs LSB was insanity!

On July 31 2022 06:10 Uldridge wrote:
Ruler is insane, GenG is insane. Chovy is just doing magic with gathering gold on the map.
Also: there haven't been more pentas on a single champion in a single year (or ever) than on Zeri, right? Shouldn't that be a sign of how absolutely bonkers moronic the design is?

On August 15 2022 14:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:
despite t1s recent loss to lsb, put them in a bo5 in playoffs and t1 is easily in lck top 2 imo. finals will be gen g vs t1 again

Never watch LPL, too much to follow in detail.

On August 18 2022 22:49 JimmiC wrote:
That KT DK series was bonkers and the way it finished was both awesome and kind of anti climatic! Trying to not spoiler incase you guys can watch, worth for sure.

On August 26 2022 23:55 Uldridge wrote:
Didn't see it as I was working (but heard it commentated) and JDG vs TES seemed like an absolute banger, G5 in particular. Was the level of gameplay high?

On August 27 2022 03:27 M2 wrote:

yeah maybe only one of the games was not S tier and all the time you have no idea who is winning and who is gonna make the final blow - every single game. There was a team fight in one of the games where one of the carries did 20k damage and the other adc around 14k I think, crazy shit

On August 27 2022 14:35 Uldridge wrote:
Casters were certainly hyped af. I'll probably speed through the games.

Also, bit of a spectator question: do you guys enjoy the game for the macro, teamfights or the entire package? Sometimes it seems the macro goes a bit over my head. I can understand rift and big wave buildups into a dive, but I can't see that from minutes ahead of time. Do you guys watch the minimap during games?

On October 22 2022 21:21 evilfatsh1t wrote:
saw some vid of pbe showing nerfs to invading and counter jungling. less damage to monsters not on your side and half cleared camps disappearing and regening on their own. wtf at these changes

On October 23 2022 06:00 Turbovolver wrote:

I guess there's some argument about snowballing but god, that sounds awful.

On November 11 2022 21:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
dunno if anyones gonna update threads about the off season but for starters ruler has left gen g. thats a surprise for me

On December 01 2022 08:13 JimmiC wrote:
Pyosik is signing with TL to be their jungler and they have apparently promoted two from academy. Should be a interesting year with all the movement. Rosters are pretty wildly different.

On December 07 2022 20:19 evilfatsh1t wrote:
tl has 5 players that all speak korean and a korean head coach with a korean coach.
basically lck got a 5th seed for worlds and na lost a seed

On August 20 2023 13:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if it werent for steals games would be incredibly boring to watch. game 5 was awesome. tense and dramatic until the end

On August 20 2023 21:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah gen g drafting was on point today. i think t1 paid the price for not having faker for half the split. it was pretty clear that t1 didnt have the versatility in drafts and relied on a few staples + their general ability. i imagine if faker wasnt away as long as he was then there would have been some more explorations as to which picks the team could use during the split.

On August 22 2023 00:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are more non steal comebacks than steal comebacks, so that is just not true.

On August 22 2023 02:20 Uldridge wrote:
I always wonder what the idea is behind taking baron in the opponent's face. Because often times it's such a volatile situation you basically heighten the chances for the enemy team to win in that moment.

On August 22 2023 03:32 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i dont know which ones exactly youre referring to as desperation attempts or calls with "imperfect knowledge", but i dont think that changes much.

On August 22 2023 02:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:
multiple reasons:
2. you are winning but you have an inferior comp and so you need to push your advantages before you get outscaled, therefore needing to take objectives quickly in order to end. you might commit and the opponents decide to contest.
3. you are getting out split pushed either because your split pusher is inferior or tp is down or w/e, and you start an objective in order to force the opponent to group if they wish to contest.
4. you are ahead with superior map and vision control and you try to sneak a baron. maybe you get caught out but you commit anyway because the lost time in investing multiple guys to hit a baron might have cost you something (towers, opposite objectives, etc).
6. youre behind and you need the objective if you want to come back at all.

On August 22 2023 05:25 Uldridge wrote:
I agree. LoL had quite a few boring years where many teams were risk averse and the meta was to only take 80-20 plays or something?
I remember seeing TL in S5 and even though I was a fan, they were so cookie cutter. Same with T1. Maybe I'm regretting not watching LPL sooner lol.

On August 22 2023 04:20 Uldridge wrote:



I thought 4 was being desperate initially, but it isn't really a desperation attempt, it just seems suboptimal to 'just keep hitting it', which happens all the time. You'd expect professionals to be more disciplined than that.
But it's part of my point that baron is a volatility magnet. Turrets are objectives that are taken when you're winning. You can't take that under people's noses (most of the time). In theory baron and dragon (and herald) could/should also be rewards, but this often times doesn't happen.
Baron is super dangerous as it does damage, ccs and shreds. It's quite risky.

On August 22 2023 13:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:

baron and elder has to be risky. the rewards are so big that any attempt to go for it will always carry risk because the opponents would have to have an extremely good reason to give it up for free.

i dont think my 2nd scenario is desperation. if you have an inferior scaling comp and you try to force an objective, youre just being aware of your win conditions. you dont want the enemy team to dodge fights and buy time for them to scale, so you call them out to a fight which they probably cant refuse.
3. could be desperation depending on how you look at it, but i think its more similar to 2, where baron or elder would simply be a tool to ease the difficulties you are having in managing your sidelanes. baron/elder are one of the few ways to force your opponents to move around the map in a specific way depending on how you utilise them.
in 4. if youve started baron because you thought you could get away with it for little to medium cost, then you will probably want to commit if youve ended up paying that cost. eg, your team is positioned on the top side of the map and the opponents are positioned towards the bottom side. they take drag and your team decides to rush baron instead of constesting drag. if the opponents finish drag and start to approach you and youre only halfway done on baron, choosing to disengage would just result in a guaranteed net loss. sure you could just choose to take the loss, but good players and good teams will almost always lean towards trying to salvage a situation by going for the outplay. its not a good habit to give things up for free

On August 22 2023 07:10 cLutZ wrote:



Teams are just as risk averse now, they just aren't allowed to take precautions. The game is too snowbally off of RNG as opposed to sustained excellence. People are out here all speculating about some hypothetical boring game where a team just wins every lane by 15 cs and leverages that into some python-like victory. In reality we have teams winning the game because of a flubbed flash at T=20:05

On August 22 2023 17:54 Uldridge wrote:


If you have a temporarily better comp, turret diving is probably more risk averse than baron.
Giving things up for free isn't good, but that stems from the failure to understand how long things take. Granted, i can't do it either - calculate how long it'll take for the team to take drake, or rotate over earlier vs how long will my team take to kill baron and how much damage do we take, but the gameplan becomes fuzzy. If you want to commit to the objective, even if you get aced, at least have an idea of how to keep the enemy jungler OUT of the pit. Too often he gets in unchecked, or there's only one person half arsing an attempt at keeping him out.


Good macro still wins games. Look at GenG, they completely constricted T1. Good rotations aren't boring though. Good macro by one team will force hands on the other team (desperation), potentially snowballing the game fast.
But sure, if you just lay over and accept your fate without ever engaging, that's really boring indeed.

On September 05 2023 10:17 GTR wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/169jkaq/clid_has_been_banned_from_professional_play_for_a/

this is why kespa teams during the proleague era took their players to brothels often

On November 20 2023 21:56 Uldridge wrote:
So Faker has his fourth, squashing any doubts I had about his GOAT status.
Evem though the meta "fell into their lap", I sometimes wonder about behind the scenes shady business. Riot forcing teams to lose for the narrative wouldn't be something that's beneath them.
The Kanavi and Tarzan misplays don't sit well with me.

On November 20 2023 21:56 Uldridge wrote:
So Faker has his fourth, squashing any doubts I had about his GOAT status.
Evem though the meta "fell into their lap", I sometimes wonder about behind the scenes shady business. Riot forcing teams to lose for the narrative wouldn't be something that's beneath them.
The Kanavi and Tarzan misplays don't sit well with me.

On November 22 2023 02:13 DarkCore wrote:
This was the best TheShy has played in years, ...

On November 22 2023 09:32 Turbovolver wrote:

God, what does that say about Zeus though :o

On December 06 2023 14:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i "discovered" my own site