EPT[Patch 8.6] Duskblade General Discussion - Page 3
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Although I haven’t seen many tanks since the patch and I don’t think he can lane vs Darius and he eventually loses to Jax if you don’t audible into an ap build | ||
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Gahlo
United States35147 Posts
On March 24 2018 07:13 DarkCore wrote: It doesn't seem that nice of an early game rune because most champions don't have many resistances anyway, 10 bonus dmg isn't exactly much either. So Panth is probably better off going with any of the bursty runes instead. But it looks to scale very well in tank/bruiser matchups, champs like Fiora will tear through the front line so stupidly fast. I'm not sure Panth is a good candidate for the rune in general, but physical only champs like Riven get stonewalled pretty hard by tabi/bramble, so it's a decent way to get around early armor stacking. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
Kai has one of the dumbest late games ever, is there actually another ADC that can 1vs1 her at full build? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 24 2018 07:13 DarkCore wrote: It doesn't seem that nice of an early game rune because most champions don't have many resistances anyway, 10 bonus dmg isn't exactly much either. So Panth is probably better off going with any of the bursty runes instead. But it looks to scale very well in tank/bruiser matchups, champs like Fiora will tear through the front line so stupidly fast. Panth typically doesn't need more ways to blow people up. So banking on his insanely annoying poke with Aery was good stuff. I'm not sure what he's like now with the nerfs. People were going aftershock riven as a way to just win out on trades but I think with the nerfs to that rune they kind of runeless currently going spellbook instead a lot of the time. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35147 Posts
On March 25 2018 00:55 Numy wrote: Panth typically doesn't need more ways to blow people up. So banking on his insanely annoying poke with Aery was good stuff. I'm not sure what he's like now with the nerfs. People were going aftershock riven as a way to just win out on trades but I think with the nerfs to that rune they kind of runeless currently going spellbook instead a lot of the time. Yeah, Riven's been Aftershock to survive/flip close matchups and spellbook if you can pressure/can outplay reliably. Nothing has really been "I actually want this" since the Aery nerfs. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On March 24 2018 19:33 DarkCore wrote: Kai has one of the dumbest late games ever, is there actually another ADC that can 1vs1 her at full build? Late? I first timed her yesterday and started shitting on everyone at 2 items. No idea what Riot was thinking when they buffed ALL of her abilities and range in one patch. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 25 2018 03:06 Jek wrote: Late? I first timed her yesterday and started shitting on everyone at 2 items. No idea what Riot was thinking when they buffed ALL of her abilities and range in one patch. Pretty sure the designer was mad everyone said she was garbage pick at release and the tiny buffs they said were going to do wouldn't do anything. Exact same thing happened with Ornn. Released kind of shit state. Buff him into insane levels. Buff him even more insane. Remove a whole bunch of stuff from his kit to try balance him alter. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On March 25 2018 03:35 Numy wrote: Pretty sure the designer was mad everyone said she was garbage pick at release and the tiny buffs they said were going to do wouldn't do anything. Exact same thing happened with Ornn. Released kind of shit state. Buff him into insane levels. Buff him even more insane. Remove a whole bunch of stuff from his kit to try balance him alter. I dont think it's for that silly a reason.  But probably more that they couldn't find the exact reason why she was that weak early before, with everything overtuned I suppose their data collector might be advanced (or QA staff) enough to find what's the biggest offender? At least I hope. If she is not available on a patch for pro play a single overtuned patch is, in my opinion, not that big of a deal. Personally I think they went the completely wrong way about it. Rather than looking at her numbers I think they should have looked at the possibility for new hybrid items. Kog and Varus already took at huge hit from the Rageblade nerf so I dont think it would be that risky. Maybe a small AD/AP component with the choice you could build into a pseudo Void or LW? I dont mind the increase to her range, but considering attack range on adc is probably the largest factor to their laning adding everything on top was just straight up... Yeah, I cant find an english word for it so I'll use a Danish, "åndssvagt". | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On March 25 2018 03:06 Jek wrote: Late? I first timed her yesterday and started shitting on everyone at 2 items. No idea what Riot was thinking when they buffed ALL of her abilities and range in one patch. I lost like 70% of my health at level 5 with a q+auto. her damage is just bonkers | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8649 Posts
the commentary level is actually embarrassing at how bad they are at casting and providing actual insight. if you need to see something happen before you can call it then you are shit at your job as a caster. lol really needs pros to get into casting because dota bitch slaps lol in that department all day every day. the balancing decisions are just the cherry on top. youd think a company with the resources like riot has and their "commitment" to esports, theyd try and be a bit more professional in who they hire to do their jobs. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
Also has to do with the fact that LoL has a pretty small 'pro-tier' caster crew, and many have been around for ages, especially the NA crew. It's not a competitive position exactly, pre-established personalities have a big advantage since Riot has no real incentive to fire them. Deficio is probably my favorite caster for the reasons you mentioned, and I still dream of the days when Monte/Doa casted OGN, although Papa and co. have filled the big chair pretty well. I hate listening to the NA casters with a passion, some of the EU ones are not very entertaining as well. CN has always been improving, I used to also hate listening to Frosk but I've warmed up to them over the years. the balancing decisions are just the cherry on top. youd think a company with the resources like riot has and their "commitment" to esports, theyd try and be a bit more professional in who they hire to do their jobs. We all bitch about balance, but I always thought it was clear that Riot is not trying to balance the game, they have a philosophy of changing the meta to keep it fresh so people will always come back. Every now and then they make big changes, and all hell breaks lose, and Riot knows people are going to lash out. Then they adjust all the numbers, the community simmers down, and all of a sudden you get the cliche 'This has been my favorite season in a long time'. Like right now, Riot has brought back assassins in this patch and nerfed vision, and people are going 'Oh yeah, no more snooze fests'. In a month you're going to start seeing a waterfall of 'This new meta is hell for ADC, Riot is so bad at balancing' (including me). | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
I actually skipped all the LS casted series last year because his voice just isn't suited for commentary, to put it nicely. So I guess I look at him more positively than in the past. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35147 Posts
On March 30 2018 11:41 Jek wrote: Conqueror is sooo strong I bloody love it. You can now actually kill the tanks that before would just stonewall the lane. I can definitely see a return to bruiser tops in professional might be a frequent thing now. Cant wait to see them play with this rune. Not sure if it will make bruisers come back in pro play. Tanks already weren't getting picked top outside of Sion. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On March 30 2018 11:51 Gahlo wrote: Not sure if it will make bruisers come back in pro play. Tanks already weren't getting picked top outside of Sion. Bruisers make so good use of Conqueror I could definitely see them mess up the ever popular Gangplank. I want to see Khan on Riven with it. :3 | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 30 2018 11:51 Gahlo wrote: Not sure if it will make bruisers come back in pro play. Tanks already weren't getting picked top outside of Sion. Yea it's mind blowing how much you read "tanks in top lane XYZ" when in fact no one was playing any tank outside of Sion in top lane. Ornn was played when he was OP but since nerf barely seen. It's been all carries top lane for most of this year. I don't think new rune actually did much. Just looking at WR and playrate stats you see bruiser like Renekton gaining but if you look at the runes PTA still seems better option on him. I wonder if it's all placebo. People see new rune then play these champs which were fine beforehand. From my limited experience the new rune seems kind of shit. PTA is more useful most of the time and if I wanted something else grasp does an OK job while having better minor runes. | ||
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