EPTThat Rick Fox is such a charismatic guy and does so much as an ambassador for esports to the traditional sports world. All around swell dude. /s
2018 Esports General Discussion - Page 16
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
That Rick Fox is such a charismatic guy and does so much as an ambassador for esports to the traditional sports world. All around swell dude. /s | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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St3MoR
Spain3256 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On July 25 2018 11:37 Gahlo wrote: Just a note, Altec's gf said that he was given 6 hours to find a new team. That Rick Fox is such a charismatic guy and does so much as an ambassador for esports to the traditional sports world. All around swell dude. /s Could Altec find a new team given 6 years? | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
Somehow...yes. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I mean when Doublelift got cut he was on TSM like an hour later I could definitely accept an argument to have like a week after the trade deadline before roster lock, but that isn’t on the org looking to trade up. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
So being released from his contract with 6 hours to go is awful, if EF does this constantly it hints at either incompetence or malicious intent. Only upside is that Altec probably has a good amount of money, so being locked out for a season isn't going to bankrupt him. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
CLG was a complete shit show and got tons of flak for how they handled the situation. You don't fire someone like that man. I remember for years I was saying Dlift and CLG should part ways but the way they finally did was just so ugly. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 25 2018 23:48 Numy wrote: It seems inline with what happened with Froggen. Froggen thought he had a spot with EF but come his contract ending they said peace and now everyone had already signed squads so he had no place to go. Why people still think EF cares is beyond me. Good marketing? It's the Rick Fox cult of personality. The fact that he's supportive of his son's hobby scores a lot of points with people who have parents that are less than sympathetic. Also, because he's an older athlete - making him a good ambassador to esports to media - is something people love to hype up. On July 26 2018 03:06 Slusher wrote: The point is just to say if there was a market for his services he would be on a team There is a market, since he was able to find an offer. Just decided it wasn't worth it for a team that probably isn't going to make playoffs - if it was even a starting role - to join a team for a few months. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Torchise
Canada245 Posts
On July 26 2018 05:24 Gahlo wrote: It's the Rick Fox cult of personality. The fact that he's supportive of his son's hobby scores a lot of points with people who have parents that are less than sympathetic. Also, because he's an older athlete - making him a good ambassador to esports to media - is something people love to hype up. Rick Fox gained a lot of support on social media with his interviews back when he first joined the LCS where he appeared well spoken and enthusiastic about entering the esports scene. I remembered he said that he was very invested in his team and that he treated his roster like a family. He looked approachable since he came to every match to support his team (never mind that it wasn't something revolutionary and Reginald and others came to monitor their team as well in the back scene). He also had streams where he played League with his son and looked like he had fun just learning the game so he appeared like a genuine, wholesome person. Nadeshot pretty much followed the same recipe and his team gained a following because of that as well. People praised Rick Fox as an idol and messiah that would save them from the "evil" legacy owners who joined up and "conspired" against new team owners to sabotage (we never got any confirmation or follow up on that, except from a salty Monte venting when he lost his LCS team). However, who is more likely to screw their players: endemic team owners who were in the scene for multiple years and were actually once players themselves (except for Jack), or the multi-millionaire new owner receiving venture capital backing to buy a 1 million+ spot in the LCS and expecting a big ROI to justify that investment? | ||
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geript
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On July 26 2018 17:14 geript wrote: I really don’t see what the big problem is. While esports and especially LoL is a small world, it’s becoming much closer to sports in organization. In normal sports, players are a resource with relative clear values. If players aren’t worth their cost, they get cut. Altec doesn’t carry value as a player, he’s entirely replaceable. He doesn’t carry value in regards to bringing fans and profit through merchandise or streaming akin to DL, Bjergsen, etc. There’s little reason to keep him. It’s a business decision. Idk treating people like commodities is kinda a fucked up way to look at it. Even then, you can do that without being assholes and releasing them a couple hours before a deadline. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 26 2018 17:21 AdsMoFro wrote: Idk treating people like commodities is kinda a fucked up way to look at it. Even then, you can do that without being assholes and releasing them a couple hours before a deadline. I really hate how many people I've read justify shitty behavior as "that's just how sports does it". I wonder if it's some kind of culture clash. You can run a business, make profit and still treat people with decency. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On July 26 2018 17:46 Numy wrote: I really hate how many people I've read justify shitty behavior as "that's just how sports does it". I wonder if it's some kind of culture clash. You can run a business, make profit and still treat people with decency. I agree that you can. But the US economy is almost entirely based on using people like an economic resource. For example, I’m a nurse. For most corporations in healthcare, it’s easier and cheaper to cause burnout in their employees and replace people as close to bottom dollar as they can afford than it is to appropriately and safely staff to prevent burnout. Even the mistakes due to burnout are forcibly arbitrated to be a general low cost if any; most major mistakes can be diverted to the Nurse/NP/MD/DO/PA who made the grievous mistake and institutional liability is low. TBH, capitalism is a really shitty system if you don’t start out near the top to begin with. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I get that these things happen. I just think as a society we shouldn't sit back and let people get away with merely doing what's legally required but instead hold them to a higher standard than that. That's why I always wanted eSports to be more than merely copying sports and why I push so much against all these franchised leagues. It's a very fine line between people protecting themselves from potential and blaming them for not protecting. I for instance life in a country where any local knows not to be in certain areas at night or go through other areas only by car. Hell sometimes don't stop at robots in areas. So when something bad happens to a person it's easy to just think "they should have known better", and sure they should have done more to be safe but that doesn't mean what happened to them is excusable. Idk I'm kind of rambling here. Need figure out a better way to describe my position. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 26 2018 17:14 geript wrote: I really don’t see what the big problem is. While esports and especially LoL is a small world, it’s becoming much closer to sports in organization. In normal sports, players are a resource with relative clear values. If players aren’t worth their cost, they get cut. Altec doesn’t carry value as a player, he’s entirely replaceable. He doesn’t carry value in regards to bringing fans and profit through merchandise or streaming akin to DL, Bjergsen, etc. There’s little reason to keep him. It’s a business decision. Treating players like this is a bad idea because it erode your fanbase. There are plenty of people that washed their hands of 100T for the whole Meteos thing - regardless of the finer details. But worse, other players see you treating your own roster poorly and you'll get less consideration from the blue chip players like Bjergsen and DL when it comes to free agency. | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On July 26 2018 20:03 Numy wrote: That sounds awful, hope your work isn't as bad as that ;(. That's why I mentioned it maybe being a culture clash. I get that these things happen. I just think as a society we shouldn't sit back and let people get away with merely doing what's legally required but instead hold them to a higher standard than that. That's why I always wanted eSports to be more than merely copying sports and why I push so much against all these franchised leagues. It's a very fine line between people protecting themselves from potential and blaming them for not protecting. I for instance life in a country where any local knows not to be in certain areas at night or go through other areas only by car. Hell sometimes don't stop at robots in areas. So when something bad happens to a person it's easy to just think "they should have known better", and sure they should have done more to be safe but that doesn't mean what happened to them is excusable. Idk I'm kind of rambling here. Need figure out a better way to describe my position. Yup, if we treat things with apathy and just say "this is how it is", then that's how it will ever be. I used to be the kind of person who thought, "stupid player shoulda known better" in situations like this. Then my opinion changed and realised that we should work towards human decency even if inherently, humans are greedy and self-serving. | ||
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