EPT2018 Esports General Discussion - Page 14
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
tl;dr - Meteos asked to be traded and FQ was the best option 100T had. Will be starting Anda. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
People who believe the press release are still mad lol, they had to get an na jungler in return, which makes the only other option if you want experience clutch(moon) and he probably has a better chance to start on fly, even with the way Lira has played I get the impression his teammates have a lot of confidence in him. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
My guess is his main problem is that he has a strong believe in knowing better than coach and team mates, due to experience or whatever. And that leads to arguing for the sake of winning arguments and not being constructive. I think he will have a hard time finding another starting spot because teams will now be wary of his attitude problems | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
It just doesn't feel very human to trade a player without him knowing and kicking him out of his accommodation the next morning. They don't even have LCS right now so there's no reason to be so seemingly cruel. The trade itself is fine I think, just the handling of it is pretty cutthroat for a supposed "family" organization. edit: To put some context, firing an employee in SA is extremely difficult. Our labour laws are super pro employee almost to a fault at times. Seeing Meteos booted like this is in stark contrast to how our culture works. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
So yes I think it's cruel. Business ethics is all about balance the right thing with what is legally allowed. edit: Why does Riot fine teams for "poaching" by talking to the players without talking to team but teams can swap contracts without ever talking to player? Is it some weird Franchise thing? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On July 05 2018 05:40 Numy wrote: I dislike how they didn't communicate with him at all while getting rid of him 3 days after he asked to look at other options. Just feels like they were looking for the earliest possible moment to kick him and might have done it if RR went well anyway. It just doesn't feel very human to trade a player without him knowing and kicking him out of his accommodation the next morning. They don't even have LCS right now so there's no reason to be so seemingly cruel. The trade itself is fine I think, just the handling of it is pretty cutthroat for a supposed "family" organization. edit: To put some context, firing an employee in SA is extremely difficult. Our labour laws are super pro employee almost to a fault at times. Seeing Meteos booted like this is in stark contrast to how our culture works. You don't tell the player that you are looking into trading him. You run the risk of the player sandbagging the game out of spite or not trying because he isn't invested in those games anymore. From the player's side, going on stage knowing it's the last time you're playing with the team will suck. This was actually a great time to do it. Unless FQ has individual housing and then has an office facility for work, there should be a spot for him in a gaming house. Not only that, but he has 2 full weeks to move in and get comfortable. It's literally the best time outside of between splits. As for "family", that notion should be out of the picture when somebody has the power to fire another. Anything else is naivety. As a note: trading isn't getting fired, it's transfering of the playing rights from one group to another. On July 05 2018 05:50 Numy wrote: You can do something technically legal but still be immoral while doing it. I just don't think it's right to trade him a way without taking to him at all. Especially when he comes to you as an employer concerned about his place in the team and wanting to find other options for starting. Then telling him Sunday evening after he played for you that he must pack up and leave the next morning. Come now. That's just not a decent way to treat a human being. It's perfectly legal and within the contract but that doesn't make it right thing to do. So yes I think it's cruel. Business ethics is all about balance the right thing with what is legally allowed. edit: Why does Riot fine teams for "poaching" by talking to the players without talking to team but teams can swap contracts without ever talking to player? Is it some weird Franchise thing? Trading players has been in the rules for a long time now. Players have the options to negotiate non-trade clauses in their contract. This isn't anything new with franchising, just doesn't happen in League due to the size of the teams and the lack of in game substitutions. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
So what teams would start meteos that have an NA jungler with LCS experence to offer EF:no, TSM:yes TL:no CLG:no Fly:Yes Clutch:Yes GG:No Optic:Yes C9:No Ok lets check out those options TSM: This is probably the one that makes the most sense, and gives SOME credence to the Meteos fanboy conspiracy theory that 100T traded him to a bad team to keep the competition from getting better. I think Meteos is a clear upgrade for TSM, so we can just skip past that part and consider it from 100T standpoint. Grig has less LCS experience than Anda, but not nothing, at the same time, it's a small enough amount it's hard to get a read on just how good he is, so I can accept the premise that 100T coaching staff might just think Anda has more upside. Mike Yeung is just bad. OPTIC: So with Optic you have the option to trade 1:1 Akaadian for Meteos, this one really just comes down to how Optic views the player comparison, personally I think it's a win win for both teams if you consider Meteos as significantly devalued based on his request to leave, which I think you have to. Only other outside factor here is maybe 100T thinks Anda is just a better tank player than Akaadian, but the fact that this trade didn't happen tells me Optic just likes Akaadian better for whatever reason. Clutch: This seems to be the popular one you read about, but I also think it's the least likely. If clutch benches Lira they need a new academy adc so for the trade to make sense for them, they need to dump Lira, Febi is way better than Ryu so that trade doesn't really work for clutch and Ssumday is way better than solo so that doesn't really make sense for 100T. If you do trade for Moon straight up, then Clutch has to cut piglet and sign a new academy adc to bench Lira, which isn't the end of the world but it is an opportunity cost lost when you evaluate the trade. I think it also just feels bad to have an unused import slot at the moment. also Moon has a tendency to look better on teams who are mid focused (Fly) compared to teams who are bot focused (Piglet TL) so it's possible 100T just like Anda better. IDK I think if you look at all the options Anda was likely their only option. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
From what I'm able to gather it seems to me that the impression is if Meteos wanted to be treated like a human being he should have it had written in his contract. That's just too sad to me. Guess we have just given up holding decency as the default. Should just give up my dream of esport being something different, of trying to learn from the past and be better. It's all just a race to the bottom. I hate this world. Whatever there is just a huge fundamental different in viewpoint that I doubt will ever converge. ps: The obvious solution to the Levi problem is to get a sub for the worst performing member of your team, Ryu. He seems untouchable for some reason. Optic even just benched Akaadian. You can't assume 100T even properly looked around since the timeframe was 3 days. It seems more plausible that they had this trade in the pipeline already and just shifted up the timetable. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
The akaadian benching is irrelevant because Riot has stated they will nerf funnel into the ground if they have to Ryu is untouchable because as the worst import tagged mid in the league (except maybe fenix) making his market value essentially 0 The purpose of my post detailing all of the possible deals is that even in the event Meteos were to shop his own trade, this was probably the only trade both teams would have agreed to. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On July 05 2018 18:20 Numy wrote: From what I'm able to gather it seems to me that the impression is if Meteos wanted to be treated like a human being he should have it had written in his contract. That's just too sad to me. Guess we have just given up holding decency as the default. Should just give up my dream of esport being something different, of trying to learn from the past and be better. It's all just a race to the bottom. I hate this world. Whatever there is just a huge fundamental different in viewpoint that I doubt will ever converge. He had the chance to protect himself from this kind of a situation and chose not to. It's like complaining that you get fucked up in an accident when you don't wear your seat belt. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I just have a hard time feeling Meteos as the victim here he feels like he was a dick to everyone involved . It might just be another cultural thing, and Meteos has never had a normal job in America either so he has this excuse, but telling Your employer you are looking for other work here is, you may as well be handing in your resignation. But even in a situation where he could have worked the trade himself, I just don’t see any possibility aside from what happened. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
The practices employed by 100T don't seem that weird to me, especially in a competitive environment. Btw, I love the way deficio and jatt opened rift rivals, even though it's obviously prepared. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On July 06 2018 04:03 Yorbon wrote: The only interesting thing here for me is the trade that, if I understand correctly, happened without Meteos having to give his ok. That seems strange to me, unless there is a construction in which Riot employs all players or something. But maybe there are some rules I'm not aware of. The practices employed by 100T don't seem that weird to me, especially in a competitive environment. Btw, I love the way deficio and jatt opened rift rivals, even though it's obviously prepared. The contract between Meteos and 100T are for his playing rights, not direct employment. He only plays for them, they pay him. The trade is that of playing rights. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
That being said esports contracts have a bad reputation so who knows if this was written correctly. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On July 06 2018 06:50 Slusher wrote: So in theory a portion of his contract is dedicated to exclusivity so Meteos could elect to be a streamer and Fly would have to pay him that portion to do jack all until the contract ends or cut him. That being said esports contracts have a bad reputation so who knows if this was written correctly. If Meteos refuses to play he is violating the contract. FQ wouldn't be forced to pay him and Meteos would have to pay FQ an amount written in the contract for violating it. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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