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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
June 20 2018 06:01 GMT
#241
A 'Madlife' was probably the first term I ever learned about in league.

Was pretty sad to watch him get subbed out and replaced by some random NA support in his final pro split.
Que Sera Sera
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
June 20 2018 09:21 GMT
#242
this retirement comes very late, thanks for the moments Madlife
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 29 2018 03:01 GMT
#243
www.espn.com

Lustboy named head coach of TSM, Ssong moved to assistant coach(though the only real impact of this is who is on stage during pick/bans because Riot is a turd). Ssong will be taking a paycut for the rest of the year.

I see people saying on reddit that Ssong won't be retained past this year, but I don't see anything in this article that explicitly states that.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
June 29 2018 03:44 GMT
#244
The list of coaches failing to improve TSM's longstanding issues grows even longer...
Que Sera Sera
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-30 13:06:28
June 30 2018 12:58 GMT
#245
I just watched the vod of Fnatic vs G2 and I'm curious why some teams put their mids on adcs like Kaisa or Xayah when running a funnel comp instead of having their usual adc player there. Is Perkz better than Hjarnan at his own position? Is there something about harvesting resources from the whole map that makes it easier for solo laners to play a superfed marksman than it is for adc players?
You're now breathing manually
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 30 2018 14:05 GMT
#246
On June 30 2018 21:58 Sent. wrote:
I just watched the vod of Fnatic vs G2 and I'm curious why some teams put their mids on adcs like Kaisa or Xayah when running a funnel comp instead of having their usual adc player there. Is Perkz better than Hjarnan at his own position? Is there something about harvesting resources from the whole map that makes it easier for solo laners to play a superfed marksman than it is for adc players?

Mids have some familiarity with marksmen due to Azir and Lucian rotating in and out of normal metas, along with the territory of mid lane from a laning perspective. Bot laners are super used to their own lane with a partner.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-30 14:35:25
June 30 2018 14:33 GMT
#247
Yeah both can play the champion, but the mid laner has obviously the better lane knowledge. That includes the feeling for how and when to push, how much time that gives you for roam or jungling, general understanding of roaming, ganking patterns etc. And he is also probably better at 1v1 and knows better how to play against the enemy mid champion.
Off-season = best season
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-30 14:58:14
June 30 2018 14:56 GMT
#248
On June 30 2018 21:58 Sent. wrote:
I just watched the vod of Fnatic vs G2 and I'm curious why some teams put their mids on adcs like Kaisa or Xayah when running a funnel comp instead of having their usual adc player there. Is Perkz better than Hjarnan at his own position? Is there something about harvesting resources from the whole map that makes it easier for solo laners to play a superfed marksman than it is for adc players?

It's just who they most comfortable with having as sole carry. You see LCK teams switch their mid to bot lane and funnel into the ADC player in mid instead. In G2 case I think it's just that Perkz is the best player in Europe and a mechanical beast so they feel most comfortable with their oldest member and best playing the sole carry.

I'm fairly sure it doesn't really have much to do with him being a midlaner as the play pattern of funnel is drastically different. It makes more sense to me in general to switch as we've seen ADC players across the globe be real shit on non-ADC champs. G2 is just a fairly unique case.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 30 2018 20:00 GMT
#249
IMO its mostly about maintaining botlane synergy. I've not been impressed by most of the attempts to put the mid in botlane when it comes to lane phase. Easier to learn a champion or two than to learn the nonverbal queues of a lane partner.
Freeeeeeedom
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 30 2018 20:12 GMT
#250
G2 swapped Jankos down into bot lane. So again I'm not really on board with thinking it's a bot lane synergy thing. Hopefully they came out and just say what's up.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 30 2018 22:53 GMT
#251
G2 is good and UOL is butt. Needs more data.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-02 01:22:35
July 02 2018 01:18 GMT
#252
https://twitter.com/meteoslol/status/1013591714815098880?s=21

I barely watched any LCs this weekend so I’m not 100% certain but my gut tells me Meteos would be an upgrade on a couple of teams, Flyquest included.
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 02 2018 01:35 GMT
#253
Holy shit people on Reddit are so tilted over this, I don’t know how this comes as a surprise with Levi on the roster.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-02 02:11:20
July 02 2018 02:01 GMT
#254
2ndary rooting status with 100T ended.

Problem with putting in Levi is you need to take out Ssumday or Ryu. I doubt you're going to take out a top 3(at worst) top laner in the league, so you're taking out Ryu for Linsanity.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-02 02:23:27
July 02 2018 02:20 GMT
#255
I always assumed that Meteos and Ryu were going to retire in the next 1-2 years and that's why Levi was on the roster, to train him up for when that happens. It makes zero sense for 100T to trade Meteos at this point.

EDIT: Also FQ would be stupid to not start him

EDIT2 ESPN-boogaloo

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=1-23968082

So 100T got Anda out of the deal
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 02 2018 02:31 GMT
#256
The writing was on the walls for Meteos when they signed Levi, but getting residency sorted out mattered. They still don't have a good/proven option at mid - since why would you bench Ssumday?

This feels like jumping the gun because of some pressure to play Levi - whatever it is, the main roster's play sure doesn't make that a clear issue. On top of that, it sounds like they'll be keeping Ryu on the main roster instead of Ssumday.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 02 2018 03:18 GMT
#257
I guess I’m just tight about all the people complaining about the way it was handled

1) He was already being benched next week at a minimum, this was announced a week ago, so saying it’s unfair to trade him to someone who won’t start him is not 100T’s responsibility

2)Didn’t tell the player, which is a big ?. Tell him before what? It was announced? Meteos announced it. Before the deal was done? According to Meteos himself the deal was finalized Friday so they told him as soon as this weeks games were done, to me that’s pretty reasonable to not want Your games this weekend to have that in the background.

I will accept what is the point of this trade because I’m not sure either. I don’t really see what either team is getting, have to assume it’s a money thing, but like point 1 said if he isn’t interested in playing Academy he was donzo regardless.
Carrilord has arrived.
Torchise
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada245 Posts
July 02 2018 03:26 GMT
#258
Yeah, the timing of the trade is pretty weird: 100T have been playing a lot of non-standard comps where Meteos has been performing well, even if he played support or whatever. Does Levi even play lanes that are not smite jungle? I did a quick check in his academy matches and it doesn't look like the case. And isn't the Academy team doing sort of meh with him on board, presumably because of a language barrier issue (although he'd probably look much better on a real LCS roster)? Is this move saying that 100T wants to play more standard?

And the second point is that Ssumday actually came off of his best NALCS weekend performance (as far as I can remember), so if they don't have a non-import substitute for Ryu, it sounds like a risky roster move...

I guess in the long term, if the team decides to play standard or if the meta stop being a fiesta, Levi would definitely be a better choice than Meteos if they can resolve the import problem.
The baylife, it burns!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-02 03:31:31
July 02 2018 03:28 GMT
#259
On July 02 2018 12:18 Slusher wrote:
I guess I’m just tight about all the people complaining about the way it was handled

1) He was already being benched next week at a minimum, this was announced a week ago, so saying it’s unfair to trade him to someone who won’t start him is not 100T’s responsibility

2)Didn’t tell the player, which is a big ?. Tell him before what? It was announced? Meteos announced it. Before the deal was done? According to Meteos himself the deal was finalized Friday so they told him as soon as this weeks games were done, to me that’s pretty reasonable to not want Your games this weekend to have that in the background.

I will accept what is the point of this trade because I’m not sure either. I don’t really see what either team is getting, have to assume it’s a money thing, but like point 1 said if he isn’t interested in playing Academy he was donzo regardless.

I think 1 might be caused by Ssumday going back to Korea during next week. Maybe to renew his visa or something? I remember Bjergsen had to do something similar a while back... or some EU import did. At that point you have an import slot open anyway, so you might as well use Levi in the meantime. Either way, Flyquest must have something in mind or the trade doesn't even make sense.

Agreed with 2. People coming at it from that angle need to get a dose of reality or find a new slant.

I expect Meteos to be starting for FQ, otherwise I don't even make that trade if I were them. Only thing 100T gets out of it is starting Levi at the cost of shuffling unproven NA talent into their mid lane. Not something I see being worth it for half a split when they could way for end of season free agency to explore options.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
July 02 2018 05:08 GMT
#260
As ESPN pointed out, 100T got Anda out of the deal, so more likely they're just going to swap Anda for Meteos instead of displacing either of their Koreans. Now WHY you'd want to do that I don't know, but neither Levi nor Anda seem like a worthwhile trade for Meteos in my opinion.

Also I wouldn't rule out Meteos not starting for FQ either. They have his contract now, they could literally force him to ride the bench for a split then sell him off if they really wanted to. This trade really doesn't seem to benefit 100T in any way whatsoever, so I'm curious what benefit they saw in giving up one of the most valuable players in the league
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