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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 07 2018 22:47 GMT
#221
I could see them hammering out the "Yo, I really gotta pee." rule though.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 08 2018 02:08 GMT
#222
On June 08 2018 07:36 Slusher wrote:
I think it’s because players association sits in on rules changes for mlb,nfl etc but for esports this sounds like a really awful idea.

A lot of traditional sports rules changes have a player safety aspect to them, balance does not.


TBH, they don't really have a say on competitive rules. Just on stupid rules like what happens if a player gets arrested/PEDs. The NFL, for instance, changed the catch and kickoff rules just with 2/3 Owner votes after the "competition committee" (composed entirely of owners) recommended them.

That IS a group that is worth consulting. Not players, but owners.
Freeeeeeedom
loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
June 08 2018 07:57 GMT
#223
Toplane balance IS affecting the health of players.
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
June 08 2018 09:04 GMT
#224
Toplaner mental health at risk?¿? what are you talking about xD
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 13 2018 22:55 GMT
#225


Fucking.

What?

tl;dw - Starting roster: Licorice/Sven/Goldenglue/Keith/Zeyzal, Jensen/Sneaky/Smoothie moved to Academy.

Hold on, lemme check the date. I think I might be time traveling.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 13 2018 23:00 GMT
#226
I will assume it’s a troll until the draft starts on Sunday. Still a troll even if Saturday.
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 13 2018 23:09 GMT
#227
Either that or Greyson has video evidence of the time Jack and Steve killed a prostitute in Vegas
Carrilord has arrived.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 13 2018 23:22 GMT
#228
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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
June 14 2018 00:23 GMT
#229
Late to scrims because making cosplays with sneaky.
Que Sera Sera
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 14 2018 02:56 GMT
#230
On June 14 2018 08:00 Slusher wrote:
I will assume it’s a troll until the draft starts on Sunday. Still a troll even if Saturday.

Given the current state of the meta, maybe they're just planning on playing Taric/Yi or Nunu/Karthus or some other silly combination. That way, they can relegate goldenglue to Support #2 and don't have to worry about him being required to be actually useful. Plus, they may want to play Lulu/Vlad in the ADC role and maybe Sneaky isn't decent on those? IDK, seems troll but who knows. Could also be relegation for breaking team rules or something; not uncommon for teams to think like that.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
June 14 2018 05:26 GMT
#231
the 3 prob fucked around too much for the coach's/jack's liking and theyre trying to make a more 'tryhard' environment. they are memeing the benching on twitter already so I wouldn't be surprised if the authority figures got tired of the 'haha everything is a joke!' attitude.
TL/SKT
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 15 2018 08:56 GMT
#232
From what I’m seeing unless the Mid/Jungle duo is on a really hard carry duo and gets a few kills to start the snowball, then the double support meta ends up with a team that’s far more behind overall. If you’re going for that sort of comp, why not let mid play bot with the “ADC” while going for a snowballs champ like Brand/Zyra/etc.? Hell, you could have mid go bot and play Vlad and plus the ADC to support. Just seems like there’s better ways to commit to a snowball comp than we’re currently seeing in pro meta (other than a slight blip with SKT flopping Faker and Bang).
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 15 2018 09:16 GMT
#233
On June 15 2018 17:56 geript wrote:
From what I’m seeing unless the Mid/Jungle duo is on a really hard carry duo and gets a few kills to start the snowball, then the double support meta ends up with a team that’s far more behind overall. If you’re going for that sort of comp, why not let mid play bot with the “ADC” while going for a snowballs champ like Brand/Zyra/etc.? Hell, you could have mid go bot and play Vlad and plus the ADC to support. Just seems like there’s better ways to commit to a snowball comp than we’re currently seeing in pro meta (other than a slight blip with SKT flopping Faker and Bang).

What exactly is your proposal?

There's no real benefit to roleswaps that screw up bot lane synergy
Freeeeeeedom
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
June 15 2018 16:45 GMT
#234
Should I stop liquibetting on SKT?
You're now breathing manually
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
June 15 2018 16:50 GMT
#235
On June 16 2018 01:45 Sent. wrote:
Should I stop liquibetting on SKT?

yes you should
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
June 16 2018 02:10 GMT
#236
I shall not lose faith <3
Que Sera Sera
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 16 2018 04:05 GMT
#237
On June 15 2018 18:16 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2018 17:56 geript wrote:
From what I’m seeing unless the Mid/Jungle duo is on a really hard carry duo and gets a few kills to start the snowball, then the double support meta ends up with a team that’s far more behind overall. If you’re going for that sort of comp, why not let mid play bot with the “ADC” while going for a snowballs champ like Brand/Zyra/etc.? Hell, you could have mid go bot and play Vlad and plus the ADC to support. Just seems like there’s better ways to commit to a snowball comp than we’re currently seeing in pro meta (other than a slight blip with SKT flopping Faker and Bang).

What exactly is your proposal?

There's no real benefit to roleswaps that screw up bot lane synergy

Right now in a meta with numerous picks that can be flexed between 3-4 roles where it’s important to have pushing lanes (to gain scuttle XP advantage and jungle pressure). Losing bot lane synergy may hurt, but you gain potential for great pressure in a snowball heavy format. Most supports don’t play mages well, most midlaner talents are wasted on playing Taric/Braum. If you’re going to play duo support and filter gold/XP on the jungler in order to snowball early, then it makes more sense to me to practice role swapping. To have support practice Taric/Braum mid and to have mid practice Brand/Zyra/Velkoz in bot.

The meta pretty heavily favors snowballing right now and 8.12 doesn’t seem to change that. I personally don’t expect that to change much until maybe closer to worlds. Historically they seem to aim for worlds games to last about 30-40 minutes usually. Gaining favorable lanes is super important right now; there’s every reason to work on finding ways to pressure lanes even more.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 16 2018 15:25 GMT
#238
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Torchise
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada245 Posts
June 18 2018 21:48 GMT
#239
More info from C9 Jack about the whole benching of the bottom side of their team:



Pretty much confirms that it was due to their attitude and slacking off, which Reapered said would lead to them not making playoffs if they stuck with them. So even if GoldenGlue/Keith/Zeyzal are much worse players on paper, you still need to punish Jensen/Sneaky/Smoothie for clowning around, even if that means you lose games doing that, otherwise you send the message that it is okay to not take their job seriously. Might motivate their asses to actually try hard if they start with a big game deficit this split, at least if they still want to make Worlds.

Also, I wonder how Svenskeren feels now that the C9 fans have turned on C9 and started flaming the org (and even him) after game 1 on their subreddit and social media. He was all happy last split about being with C9 and praising the C9 fanbase for not being toxic towards him and passive-aggressively flaming TSM but I hope that he realizes now that sports/esports fans at large will turn on you on an instant the moment you lose or make a mistake and its not just restricted to TSM, no matter what Reddit/Twitter says...
The baylife, it burns!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 20 2018 01:02 GMT
#240
https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/5367/lck-legend-madlife-officially-announces-his-retirement
Madlife retires. Another legend gone
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
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