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On August 11 2017 08:15 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2017 08:12 Slayer91 wrote:
trying to consistently proc frostfang is difficult though especially since they gave it a cd eh...... Is it though? Relic shield is much riskier to get the gold, followed by Coin, and frostfang is the safest. Champs can easily get multiple procs on frostfang without even risking themselves. Brand still gets all 3 off a single spell even post-CD. champs like nami/sona can get gold risk free. Morg soil still gets 2 triggers on it. It's pretty easy. anyone who lanes with cait can shove to tower and get it off buildings.
huh?
how is relic shield risky? how many melee supports do you play that are zoned from the melee creeps in the lane phase?
whens the last time you played coin support and couldn'r get 95% of the coins?
frostfang is the only item ive had trouble stacking because if you play like sona/brand its very risky to keep it on cd especially past lvl 6/7
sure you get a few safe spells but using every stack is hard
also auto attacking towers 2v2 isn't exactly the safest thing in the world either
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On August 11 2017 08:15 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2017 08:12 Slayer91 wrote:
trying to consistently proc frostfang is difficult though especially since they gave it a cd eh...... Is it though? Relic shield is much riskier to get the gold, followed by Coin, and frostfang is the safest. Champs can easily get multiple procs on frostfang without even risking themselves. Brand still gets all 3 off a single spell even post-CD. champs like nami/sona can get gold risk free. Morg soil still gets 2 triggers on it. It's pretty easy. anyone who lanes with cait can shove to tower and get it off buildings.
Teut is a D3 Sona player, if he says it's hard to do it consistently I'll believe him. Relic shield is not the riskiest at all, you walk up to your own melee minions to proc it. To proc Frostfang you often have walk a lot further forward, especially if you proc it close to on cooldown, as you seem to suggest.
Besides that we also have to consider who the different support items are made for. The champions that get coin need less gold to be useful than the champions that pick targons. In that way it makes sense to give targons more gold and a better quest, since the goal is balance, not equality.
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I mean I think PX is probably around the same rank but how often do you play supports (you play trundle supp?) I mean I can't imagine thinking coin or relic shield is risky for anyone whos played support recently
most frostfang champs can get one combo'd by CC/jungler ganks too so going in for autos on towers or enemies is usually never fully safe
edit: might be confusing players not sure what rank px is
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Relic is pretty risky/hard outside of laning phase though compared to coin and even spellthiefs. Coin you just keep getting that sweet sweet money no matter what stage of the game it's crazy easy.
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On August 11 2017 09:05 Numy wrote:
Relic is pretty risky/hard outside of laning phase though compared to coin and even spellthiefs. Coin you just keep getting that sweet sweet money no matter what stage of the game it's crazy easy.
It's not that bad, just go to a lane mid when your team is clearing it.
Frostfang is impossible to stack later on except in teamfights.+
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Relic is not risky at all.
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On August 11 2017 08:47 Slayer91 wrote:
I mean I think PX is probably around the same rank but how often do you play supports (you play trundle supp?) I mean I can't imagine thinking coin or relic shield is risky for anyone whos played support recently
most frostfang champs can get one combo'd by CC/jungler ganks too so going in for autos on towers or enemies is usually never fully safe
edit: might be confusing players not sure what rank px is
I'm at support or dodge at this point in my life with league, don't have the effort to be the same skill in solo lanes as support. D5 because i stopped playing for a while and am garbage now. Playing thresh/nami/brand/tahm mostly. Goofing about with urgot support now, but i don't really count those games when judging laning because he plays pretty much like a weak alistar from that spot.
Specifically the meta makes relic shield pretty safe with all the blitz/thresh roaming around. the bards/morgs/sonas will still punish you though. Running up to the melee minions can be easy when getting pushed on, or really difficult when you are outranged and the wave is being held back defensively.
Yeah the champs that use frostfang easily are pretty squishy, but that's more on the champs than the item. The way frostfang works is you are only really losing gold value if you aren't using them at 3 stacks. if you sit on 1 or 2 stacks for a while you aren't actually losing any gold production. you just have that gold "banked" but unavailable.
Coin you get zoned out of 1-2 coins in the first 8 minutes, not much more. but missing a single coin is like not using frostfang for 40 seconds when at full stacks. you don't often have a period longer than 10 seconds a couple times you dont get to frostfang.
maybe the biggest thing is it's okay not to have 0 stacks on frostfang. you are still generating gold on the item, just gotta get to 0 before recall, even walking between lanes if the item is generating a stack you are getting money, while if you have coin every minion that dies without you being near it, is losing you money,
Coin just seems really really easy, because of the amount of money you generate, but it's pretty much impossible not to waste hundreds in coins from going to ward/roam etc. where the other stuff has built in grace periods where you can store stacks. but because you have this icon on your screen telling you that you COULD be getting frostfang gold it seems like you are wasting so much more than you are, where you never know when you arent getting a coin.
biggest problem is really just that champs that can afford to scrounge on stats tend to make incredible use of Ardent, and are mostly ultra safe champs with a ton of disengage. So they can't be punished for making themselves bad at fighting, and then spike with ardent.
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Ff and mountain are way worse out of lane for gold. Half the time with mtn you are running around and people insta kill waves before you have a chance.
On the other hand, if you don't win lane vs coin, I'd say you were outplayed.
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On August 11 2017 09:07 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2017 09:05 Numy wrote:
Relic is pretty risky/hard outside of laning phase though compared to coin and even spellthiefs. Coin you just keep getting that sweet sweet money no matter what stage of the game it's crazy easy. It's not that bad, just go to a lane mid when your team is clearing it. Frostfang is impossible to stack later on except in teamfights.+
I mean it's still a lot riskier and unreliable compared to coin. Team clears is fast or enemy is too close for you to safely go there etc. Ye guess Frostfang is even worse than relic out of lane though. Coin is just so dam good.
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Honestly Ardent and Champs like Janna/soraka are just degenerate anyway, any support item that plays to their strengths will seem OP.
Still wish all shields were buffed 20% in value, and decayed over their duration. to in riots words "add a skill check" to the shields that are super powerful across the board. especially with ardent.
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On August 11 2017 08:39 Ansibled wrote:
I still haven't got honour 3 yet but I haven't played much since new honour came out.
idk I just counted off my opgg and I played 23 full premade ranked flex games and 1 three man ranked flex game
got no honor that 3 man game either
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I got honour 3 right after a game I was apparently reported by three members on my team  . Don't really care about the feature, the keys are nice, but I don't get many chests (I think one in the last months) so it doesn't really matter, and I rarely honor back unless someone carried my trash team hard.
Talking about Cait, she still feels solid enough to play. She's looking like Lee Sin, you can nerf her to hell but she still keeps coming back from the grave.
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lee sin is actually finally dead for the majority of players though until meta shifts. Only the top lee players have success with him now, which is probably how it should be anyway.
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was there some fishy stuff with bjergsen residency or thorin is memeing with riots corruption in general?
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C9's original plan when they picked up Jensen was to sit Rush for a split, wait for Impact to count as a resident, and be able to field Impact, Rush, and Jensen. Before that could happen, Riot extended the mandatory period before residency was given and only Bjerg was around long enough to still qualify.
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There used to be fishy stuff with pretty much everyone.
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I'm not an insider or anything but reading between the lines has told me that Rush was done in NA period, with or without the rule change.
At an absolute minimum Jack said on the record on the imports vs residents episode of esports salon rush was cut from c9 for unrelated reasons. But the rumors i have heard suggest it was all of na, which makes sense to me, you'd think someone would have wanted him.
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