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Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
April 16 2016 10:42 GMT
#381
On April 15 2016 19:28 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2016 17:50 Celial wrote:
We are not releasing solo queue, because we are fixing problems with dynamic queue. The problem with dynamic queue is the solo player experience, so before we release solo queue we first have to improve the solo player experience in dynamic queue.


And then I soloq into game with my friend's 4 man stack. 4 D2's + D5(me) vs. D2/D3. I can't queue with them, but I can still queue onto the same team as them, which is totally working as intended.

How are they even going to keep their shallow promises? They said they want to improve the solo experience, lessen the time to find an actual game, and make ladder meaningful.

But it is simply not possible to make fair games AND fast queue times. 2, 3, 4, 5 men teams are queuing up at the same time plus the solo players. If you want faster games, then you'd have to mismatch premade teams, which is not really fair, and once again, takes a piss on ladder rank. Alternatively, you can try to separate premades even more from solo players (god bless 4-men queue which makes it impossible though), which would mean high diamond or master/challenger players might constantly be matched with low diamond teams, because that might be the closest similiar premade group the matchmaking could find in a reasonable time.

No wonder they did not even hint at anything that might be in the works. It is simply not fixable, and the funniest thing is, there is almost no argument for dynamic queue.
- Pros hate it with a passion.
- Solo players hate it.
- Players with a competitive vein hate how their ladder rank means nothing now.
- Elo boosters love it.
- The people who are praising it would not even recognize if by tomorrow Riot would rename this to Team Builder with some fake ladder.

739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 16 2016 12:20 GMT
#382
http://i.imgur.com/S2idnCz.png

It's been a good day for crafting. Wondering if I should unlock Zombie Brand or Magnificent TF ~~
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 16 2016 12:38 GMT
#383
Wow nice, I feel like I never get any good loot.

Posted it in LR, but what would happen if TP was now 6min CD, but reduced by 30 seconds per kill/assist gained in the next 20 seconds, to really make it a strategical pickup rather than a free ticket to lane phase for some champs.


It would be super snowbally, TP advantage would change from using it first (punishing indecisiveness in a TP play/rewarding smart decision making) to 'We won a TP fight, so now we have a gold lead and our top laner TP 1 minute earlier.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 16 2016 19:27 GMT
#384
The "fix" to TP is to crush laneswaps. The simple way to do that is overload early dragon's rewards and make it so 3 lvl two characters can take it for almost no damage, but make it take a while, but once you got it Its way better than a tower plus minions.

That is step 1. Lane swaps shouldn't be eliminated, they just should be easy to punish so it isn't done to hide a slightly losing lane matchup. It needs to be like, " we are willing to be 5k behind at 20 minutes because this investment will pay off. "
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 16 2016 20:21 GMT
#385
I'm pretty neutral on dynamic q, but that Riot pls post is pretty insulting none the less.
Carrilord has arrived.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
April 17 2016 11:41 GMT
#386
I'm currently trying out Azir support.

Don't roll your eyes, I KNOW its not "good" in the sense we talk about good here on the board.

I'm really in love with Zyra support, but am scared of her rework since Riot said if there is enough noise they will put her back in mid lane.

Azir is fairly similar, sadly without the root, so basically a worse Zyra. But holy wtf damage and nice poke.

But he absolutely needs a Rylais imho (his soldier AA do 40% slow for 1 second). He is also like the first support I'm playing that feels slot restricted!

So I fooled around a bit. I don't want to be a useless pseudo-carry out of the botlane if it goes bad, I absolutely intend to do a support job.

So out of the six slots:

Sightstone
Boots
Aegis
Rylais
Pink Ward

are locked down. So I have room for one more item. Ideally something with armor. Since I want 45% cdr (because ult is most important utility, plus soldier spam) I figure I go with frozen heart? Maybe an early shroud...

Eye (yellow or blue) 10%
Aegis upgrade 10%
Shroud 10%

Either into Zekes, then I'd need CDR boots or into FH, then I could get mpen or swifty boots.

I definitely want 1 mana reg in blue, but not sure if I want the other 6 glyphs MR or flat AP.
Mpen marks are probably best, but could also run armor?
Seals I don't know, feels like everyone runs somthing different, either full armor, full hp, or a weird mix of armor and hp.
Quints flat AP seem to be the best.

Soldier damage scales with level and 60% AP, so maybe I don't need AP from runes, since Rylais will give +60 damage?

Knife start is super strong and gives good gold, but I feel a bit too squishy so I usually start with coin for the extra health regen, and then rush the yellow eye because it has cdr manareg and nice gold (plus health reg). Blue eye has extra dps on soldiers (15, I think) and also manareg and cdr, but laning phase feels dangerous.

I tried targon, but soldiers aa doesn't proc and the eye has no cdr.

I specced into Thunderlords, obviously, and then in the left tree for the 2% spellvamp/lifesteal, but not too sure about that.

So far its been pretty fun, I KNOW its not a Tier 1 support, but I was gold 5 two seasons ago, silver 1 last season, I figured that he should be decent enough, that combined with getting better by playing more, and focussing on one champ, he should atleast be able to get me to plat. I KNOW its no LCS level support, or even diamond level support^^
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-17 14:34:18
April 17 2016 14:18 GMT
#387
On April 17 2016 20:41 Celial wrote:
I definitely want 1 mana reg in blue, but not sure if I want the other 6 glyphs MR or flat AP.
Mpen marks are probably best, but could also run armor?
Seals I don't know, feels like everyone runs somthing different, either full armor, full hp, or a weird mix of armor and hp.
Quints flat AP seem to be the best.

Soldier damage scales with level and 60% AP, so maybe I don't need AP from runes, since Rylais will give +60 damage?

Knife start is super strong and gives good gold, but I feel a bit too squishy so I usually start with coin for the extra health regen, and then rush the yellow eye because it has cdr manareg and nice gold (plus health reg). Blue eye has extra dps on soldiers (15, I think) and also manareg and cdr, but laning phase feels dangerous.

I tried targon, but soldiers aa doesn't proc and the eye has no cdr.

I specced into Thunderlords, obviously, and then in the left tree for the 2% spellvamp/lifesteal, but not too sure about that.

So far its been pretty fun, I KNOW its not a Tier 1 support, but I was gold 5 two seasons ago, silver 1 last season, I figured that he should be decent enough, that combined with getting better by playing more, and focussing on one champ, he should atleast be able to get me to plat. I KNOW its no LCS level support, or even diamond level support^^

When you're playing a squishy support (that's not Janna or Soraka) you really need defensive runes otherwise you're just going to be jumped on hard and be super chunked or killed. Whenever I see a squishy support without defensive runes (armor and HP) I just tell my adc that we can go all-in on him whenever we want, in an all-in a few autos>>>>>>the smidge of damage you get from AP quints.

2% spellvamp/lifesteal, all your stuff outside of autos are AoE, is honestly not worth what you lose from not having 12 in resolve. The extra life regen, flat HP from Veteran Scars (really good on squishy supports with no heal ability) and with Insight pretty much being the best mastery in the game.

Honestly dont think the 15 AP from Quints are worth it, his base damage are already pretty high considering you outrange everyone in botlane and you dont need the ability to hard shove since you got an adc to help with it when needed. I'd most definitely go with flat HP yellows and Armor Quint.

On supports (or heck even some laners) where you desperately want max CDR asap I dont think you should be afraid to potentially overcap. Reaching the max so much earlier is for me much better than losing a bit of gold efficiency, getting mucher better combat stats early feels better than potentially losing a bit of gold efficiency in a super long game.

Have you tried Attack Speed reds?
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-18 03:20:01
April 18 2016 03:19 GMT
#388
RE: the dynamic queue Riot post, I like how they talk about only Dia up having long queue times. Having been mid/high plat most of my career I have never in my 5 year experience had queue times as long as the ones I have now. My longest queue time (this was after my diamond promotion) was like 2 minutes with old solo queue. With DQ I've had multiple 10+ minute queues in less than 100 games and I'm only Plat 4 lol.

Their posts just don't reflect the reality of what it's like to queue into that "ladder"

RE: TP, I like the boot enchantment idea. Would nullify early laning/diving tps in pro play but still offer it later game for strategic depth.
In Inca we trust
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 18 2016 04:09 GMT
#389
they could remove tp completely and i wouldn't miss it
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
April 18 2016 08:26 GMT
#390
with this whole rageblade hurricane trend going on, why have we not seen rageblade hurricane jinx yet
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dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
April 18 2016 08:51 GMT
#391
On April 18 2016 17:26 RagequitBM wrote:
with this whole rageblade hurricane trend going on, why have we not seen rageblade hurricane jinx yet


1) unlike tristana and kogmaw she has horrible ap scalings (or lack thereof). only on flamechompers. tristana and kog has pretty good ap scalings on their skills for ad based champions.
2) she doesn't exactly offer much to warrant a pick over those 2. if you want the guinsoos hyper carry with ridiculous DPS, you get the kogmaw. if you're willing to sacrifice some of that DPS for better tower pushing and a safer adc who can self peel, you take the tristana.

TL/SKT
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 18 2016 09:40 GMT
#392
On April 18 2016 12:19 las91 wrote:
RE: the dynamic queue Riot post, I like how they talk about only Dia up having long queue times. Having been mid/high plat most of my career I have never in my 5 year experience had queue times as long as the ones I have now. My longest queue time (this was after my diamond promotion) was like 2 minutes with old solo queue. With DQ I've had multiple 10+ minute queues in less than 100 games and I'm only Plat 4 lol.

Their posts just don't reflect the reality of what it's like to queue into that "ladder"

RE: TP, I like the boot enchantment idea. Would nullify early laning/diving tps in pro play but still offer it later game for strategic depth.

Might be possible to balance it though with summoner TP still in the game.

I mean if you made it cost like 1.5-2k as an enchant nobody would buy it early, but it would let you send a farmed carry to an offlane lategame to bot and not instantly lose baron later on in the game.

I actually think it might be an okay idea provided that the cost means there's a large tradeoff in power before like 20k gold.

That amount of gold in damage or defensive stats is large enough that you'd be a fool to build it early, but definitely possible to buy it lategame.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
April 18 2016 15:31 GMT
#393
I worry that as a boot enchant, Teleport would basically crowd out everything else. No sane person would ever buy Alacrity instead of Teleport. You have to make it a meaningful tradeoff aside from just having to spend a lot.

For example, what if:

* Teleport Boots as another upgrade to Boots of Speed (so you'd be replacing Swifties/Sorcerer's Shoes/etc.)
* A TP scroll a la Dota, so you are slot-constrained from TP'ing
* An elixir, i.e., spend 250 to be able to teleport once in the next 3 minutes
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 18 2016 18:36 GMT
#394
--- Nuked ---
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
April 18 2016 18:59 GMT
#395
On April 18 2016 17:51 dsyxelic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2016 17:26 RagequitBM wrote:
with this whole rageblade hurricane trend going on, why have we not seen rageblade hurricane jinx yet


1) unlike tristana and kogmaw she has horrible ap scalings (or lack thereof). only on flamechompers. tristana and kog has pretty good ap scalings on their skills for ad based champions.
2) she doesn't exactly offer much to warrant a pick over those 2. if you want the guinsoos hyper carry with ridiculous DPS, you get the kogmaw. if you're willing to sacrifice some of that DPS for better tower pushing and a safer adc who can self peel, you take the tristana.



Its actually more simply than that. She doesn't have high range and high attack speed at the same time.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 18 2016 19:28 GMT
#396
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses

More Riot approved terms to annoy you with. =]
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
April 18 2016 19:40 GMT
#397
On April 19 2016 04:28 Gahlo wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses

More Riot approved terms to annoy you with. =]


oh for fucks sake.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-18 19:44:45
April 18 2016 19:44 GMT
#398
It is like I am reading tumblr and someone is explaining how there are 69 genders.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
April 18 2016 20:11 GMT
#399
I sexually identify as an artillery disruptor skirmishing battlemage
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-18 20:14:45
April 18 2016 20:13 GMT
#400
I actually like those subclasses
don't feel too bloated

embrace the powers of n-ary trees boys

I mean they are categories I basically had in my head anyway

both types of tank, both types of support, both types of bruiser, long range mage, assasin mage and then the ryze/swain/vlad LOL

adcs are boring and generic
all fits my previous view
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