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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-10 23:29:05
April 10 2016 23:28 GMT
#241
standing on the enemy makes you a melee not a mage
magic or physical damage doesn't matter

ap ekko would then be an assassin much like fizz
aka Teutonica
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 11 2016 00:14 GMT
#242
dynamic queue is awful, tried to queue up shitfaced but logged out cuz it was too much work.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-11 05:00:37
April 11 2016 05:00 GMT
#243
On April 11 2016 08:28 Slayer91 wrote:
standing on the enemy makes you a melee not a mage
magic or physical damage doesn't matter

ap ekko would then be an assassin much like fizz

I'm not the one who started calling him a mage lol, that was you

I just said (melee) burst casters with no escapes generally end up being super binary in strength, and pretty one dimensional to play against too.

On April 11 2016 03:11 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2016 02:58 Slusher wrote:
On April 10 2016 22:45 Celial wrote:
On April 10 2016 21:38 kongoline wrote:
On April 10 2016 12:26 Gahlo wrote:
On April 10 2016 11:56 Frolossus wrote:
it has way more to do with grasp of the undying than any particular character imo

Well, yeah. It's the whole Grasp/Sunfire/Visage/IBG core that's an issue. It's just that all the other tanks that are abusing it have been around long enough that they've been nerfed. Ekko hasn't gone through that period where the balance team has been looking to nerf him and as a result is more overtuned than the already problem lineup.

neither of them has close to ekko winrate tho, they overbuffed him when he was already popular in soloQ and played in tournaments from time to time


wasnt he nerfed so nobody ever played him in the jungle again?


yea, on launch his ult returned a static % of health lost over the last 4 seconds, the nerf in question attached an ap ratio requiring full ap builds to reach the original rank 3 heal. But he has received like 2-3 patches of buff in 2016 because riot wanted to bring him back to the meta as ap, but I can't see that ever happening unless his numbers are overtuned.

Super squishy burst casters with no escapes are just kind of a dumb concept >.>

He'd just turn into an ap talon or something
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
April 11 2016 16:06 GMT
#244
yes i saw that quote without context and assumed you were retarded

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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 11 2016 16:13 GMT
#245
Can't fault you for a safe assumption.

Tanks just got too much dmg from sunfire/ibg/grasp and lw being garbage makes them live too much. Most mages simply don't have the numbers needed to handle this.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 11 2016 16:22 GMT
#246
and ironically the champs that truly beat these tanks building these items, is bruisers that dps more but don't have as much CC. So right now the meta is just an infinite loop of tank < bruiser < protected carries < Tank etc etc

and 2 of those classes build those items so its over saturated. Very little reason to take any mage that doesnt have huge teamfight control against melees. I guess thats why azir is super popular atm again.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-11 16:55:36
April 11 2016 16:55 GMT
#247
Tanks don't really counter protected carries, they are just preferable to bruisers against them in most cases, but yeah obviously bruisers are good against tanks
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 11 2016 17:28 GMT
#248
CC that is unavoidable like moakai root, naut ult, etc are counters to protected carries imo. Maybe I should have rephrased its the TOOLS tanks come with, not the class itself, that counters protected carries. Tanks often come with great disruption tools that bypass frontlines/cc
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-11 17:52:52
April 11 2016 17:50 GMT
#249
On April 12 2016 01:55 Slayer91 wrote:
bruisers are good against tanks

i feel its other way around when i play bruisers like irelia/olaf i hate seeing mundo,naut,mao,malphite getting picked theres no way to kill them and they outscale u super hard
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-11 17:55:31
April 11 2016 17:52 GMT
#250
not sure about olaf but on irelia you can buy rageblade

irelia is an interesting case because she's sort of like half an assassin half a bruiser since her base damages and lack of sticking power mean she needs at least 1 and preferably 2 decent damage items

the classic bruiser guys like say warwick nasus jax udyr or whatever tend to shiton those tanks pretty hard later on
you can kill them but the point is it's better to ignore them usually

irelia and olaf both has severe anti-CC meaning its hard for tanks to peel them off, and their high healing and true damage means they can usually win in a split push
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 11 2016 18:00 GMT
#251
Yea I don't consider olaf or irelia bruisers at all. Their kits are designed to attempt to bypass frontlines and assassinate the carries. They are more like "tanky assassins" if you will.

The typical bruisers that are going to dumpster tanks are super immobile and have a lot of innate healing.

Trundle, warwick, nasus, udyr, skarner, etc are all going to take a massive dump on the enemy team is the adc is eliminated early. You can literally 1v4 as warwick with sated, wits, visage with no adc threat vs most teams. Exceptions would be champs like brand, malz, LB etc that can seriously brutalize a single champ
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-12 01:57:24
April 12 2016 01:35 GMT
#252
lol every bruiser wants to bypass tanks and go on carries do u seriously believe nasus wants to hit maokai in team fights?
i dont get how can u make this arbitrary rule and say olaf,irelia arent bruiser when they are epitome of that class, they both have very little CC and are forced to build dmg to stay relevant in team fights to threaten carries unlike tanks where u can just go full tank and rely on cc to carry the fights
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 12 2016 13:53 GMT
#253
because if they were as strong at fighting tanks then why would you ever pick anyone immobile? Olaf and irelia have to make pretty significant trade-offs for their mobility. They aren't nearly as good as decimating tanks as champs that are specifically designed to heavily outduel them.

Trundle ults tanks and turns them into paper, making himself near mid-late

So yes he has no problem bashing in maokai before he turns to your backline, he isnt getting there anyway

Nasus has a % hp drain that converts to AD and a significant armor pen buff, about half his damage comes from his ult/E so he really has no problem sitting on your frontline and drain tanking, another case where its unlikely you ever get to the back line. Its better to kite backwards and kill their frontline first.

warwick has triple threat damage and a %hp drain that heals him, with some of the best sustain in the game.

These champs are just by definition way more durable at the cost of way less mobility
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-12 15:06:35
April 12 2016 15:05 GMT
#254
trundle is the exception hes dedicated tank buster and i would argue he beats all melee in in general not only tanks (i think his numbers are overtuned right now), both irelia and olaf are excellent duelist and completely dump on nasus,jax,ww for majority of the game (u mention bortk+ devouer ww as great duelis im sure anyone with those items is great duelist and can outduel any tank in the game lol) i remember game tsm vs clg where zion "counter picked" dyrus mao with nasus and was useless entire game, even at 6items and 600+ stacks dyrus was tanky enough to stay at turret for ages and could easily clear waves while being 10x times more useful in team fights, if u think nasus, jax, udyr (lol!) are good at killing tanks because they can 1v1 them in some unrealistic scenario where they stand still and hit them for 3minutes gl winning games focusing enemy malphite as jax or ww in your team fights
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 12 2016 15:16 GMT
#255
So much wrong in your post its not even worth responding to
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 12 2016 15:18 GMT
#256
irelia dumping on nasus 1v1, lmfao that would be the day. I would love to see you beat me 1v1 with irelia vs my nasus top.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-12 16:17:26
April 12 2016 16:15 GMT
#257
ye like i was talking about specific matchups ( btw worst case scenario its farm lane for irelia), pathetic how you cherry picked that ignoring olaf or other possible matchups where its true, just give up and admit u were full of shit when u decided to create some imaginary line where 1v1 dueling power decides if champion is bruiser or not (you argument was mostly bullshit anyway considering properly build olaf dumps on half "bruisers" u listed), calling udyr and ww true bruisers and irelia,olaf not is some of the silliest shit i have read on this forum
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 12 2016 16:21 GMT
#258
Here's your post translated: I'm trash and I realized I cant beat this guy in a 1v1, let me backtrack
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 12 2016 16:22 GMT
#259
1v1 me with your designated matchups or shut up basically.

"both irelia and olaf are exceptional duelists and will dump on nasus"

quoted verbatim.

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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-12 16:38:51
April 12 2016 16:33 GMT
#260
On April 13 2016 01:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
1v1 me with your designated matchups or shut up basically.

"both irelia and olaf are exceptional duelists and will dump on nasus"

quoted verbatim.

haha can u be even bigger and more pathetic loser, cutting the quote once again when 4 posts up u can read full thing
both irelia and olaf are excellent duelist and completely dump on nasus,jax,ww for majority of the game

sure im gonna play olaf tho

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